VN Ren'Py Giant Guardians [v0.3.77] [Giant Guardians]

[YouShallNotLol]

You are making assumptions based on a flawed perspective presented by a celestial being who is still adapting to life on Earth. She claims they are abominations, but that doesn't make it an absolute truth simply because Eliette and M's mother believe so. The game demonstrates that the undead can, and often do, live relatively normal lives. We lack sufficient evidence to categorically condemn all forms of necromancy. Eliette is clearly depicted as flawed in her beliefs, though always well-intentioned. In fact, the first thing Maryen says to her after "usurping" her title is, "You want those purification armies back, right?",a line that hints at how those armies might seem righteous to some but fanatical to others.


As for "Makla's victims," you may be correct, but from their perspective, it’s not as simple as labeling them as tortured souls. They feel a sense of gratitude or even loyalty toward her for their continued existence. While it's a complicated and morally ambiguous situation ( asking enslaved individuals about their captor always is ) dismissing them entirely as mere victims of torture would be an oversimplification of their experience.

So you're making an argument in favour of slavery and necromancy at the same time. Fantastic.
That means I can go and resurrect your dead family members and have them as my torture playthings. And you can do nothing about it because I also trapped their souls inside their bodies, so they are actually your relatives in undead form. And I can get you arrested and punished for trying to free them from me.
Do you even realize how absurd your argument is?

I will fully support Eliette in reinstating Purification Armies in her route, if she plans to do that in the first place.
Necromancy is a sin against life, each and every undead is an affront to God, and they all should burn in holy fire.
^Me, while writing all that.

Edit#96204: Also, your arguments reminded me of that shitty animated short, that portrayed gay people as literal rotting zombies. Ironically, it was in fact trying to argue in favour of gay people.

 

[Possetermath]

So you're making an argument in favour of slavery and necromancy at the same time. Fantastic.
That means I can go and resurrect your dead family members and have them as my torture playthings. And you can do nothing about it because I also trapped their souls inside their bodies, so they are actually your relatives in undead form. And I can get you arrested and punished for trying to free them from me.
Do you even realize how absurd your argument is?

I will fully support Eliette in reinstating Purification Armies in her route, if she plans to do that in the first place.
Necromancy is a sin against life, each and every undead is an affront to God, and they all should burn in holy fire. View attachment 4393832
^Me, while writing all that.

Edit#96204: Also, your arguments reminded me of that shitty animated short, that portrayed gay people as literal rotting zombies. Ironically, it was in fact trying to argue in favour of gay people.

Holy strawman! That argument is entirely of your own making, not mine. You've introduced a lot of conditions that would be problematic even for a living family, such as: unconsensual resurrection , slavery, forceful abduction, grave desecration, people being used against their own interests, and legal binding to accept your actions. The claim that "Necromancy is a sin against life" is a subjective opinion, not an objective fact.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Holy strawman! That argument is entirely of your own making, not mine. You've introduced a lot of conditions that would be problematic even for a living family, such as: unconsensual resurrection , slavery, forceful abduction, grave desecration, people being used against their own interests, and legal binding to accept your actions. The claim that "Necromancy is a sin against life" is a subjective opinion, not an objective fact.

I see you love playing devil's advocate. You can join the undead at the stake. There's enough fire for all heretics.

"nonconsensual resurrection" - Lol. Lmao even.
Also, it's fucking Homaspernia. Slavery, abduction and other crimes are the norm, especially for people with power and influence.

 

[Possetermath]

I see you love playing devil's advocate. You can join the undead at the stake. There's enough fire for all heretics. View attachment 4393882

"nonconsensual resurrection" - Lol. Lmao even.

Lmao, here's the good old way to see it :
Try to write down my arguments, and why I think what you wrote is not entirely correct.

 

[Creeperboy]

So you're making an argument in favour of slavery and necromancy at the same time. Fantastic.
That means I can go and resurrect your dead family members and have them as my torture playthings. And you can do nothing about it because I also trapped their souls inside their bodies, so they are actually your relatives in undead form. And I can get you arrested and punished for trying to free them from me.
Do you even realize how absurd your argument is?

I will fully support Eliette in reinstating Purification Armies in her route, if she plans to do that in the first place.
Necromancy is a sin against life, each and every undead is an affront to God, and they all should burn in holy fire. View attachment 4393832
^Me, while writing all that.

Edit#96204: Also, your arguments reminded me of that shitty animated short, that portrayed gay people as literal rotting zombies. Ironically, it was in fact trying to argue in favour of gay people.

and you are making an argument in favor of genocide. you're reminding me of a certain german man and would you look at that, he was also quite the religious fella.
or hey! undeads are a different race, you hate them for it and you don't think they deserve the same rights as anyone else (namely you), the KKK would want you in their ranks!!
and for all the "necromancy is bad, necromancy is evil, it goes against the natural order", my brother in christ, pretty much ALL magic goes against the natural order of things, it all comes down to how you use it. "don't fear power itself, fear how it's wielded".

so did i get the point through, or do i have to explain further?

 

[YouShallNotLol]

and you are making an argument in favor of genocide. you're reminding me of a certain german man and would you look at that, he was also quite the religious fella.
or hey! undeads are a different race, you hate them for it and you don't think they deserve the same rights as anyone else (namely you), the KKK would want you in their ranks!!
and for all the "necromancy is bad, necromancy is evil, it goes against the natural order", my brother in christ, pretty much ALL magic goes against the natural order of things, it all comes down to how you use it. "don't fear power itself, fear how it's wielded".

so did i get the point through, or do i have to explain further?

First. They are already dead. They are not people, they are corpses.
Second. Hitler was staunchly against religion and the church in particular.
Two-point-five. KKK is an exclusively american neo-confederate movement, you're a fool simply for involving them here.
Third. Necromancy is used exclusively to harm living beings and violate souls of the dead.
Fourth. You completely missed on every point, so you can shove your "arguments" back where you pulled them out of - up your ass.


I didn't respond last time becaus I didn't want to drag it out, but fuck you now.

guys let's get one thing through our thick skulls, they end up in neutral territory either because they were exiled by their previous kingdoms (which means they're criminals) or, more often than not, because they CHOSE to go and stay in neutral territory, for whatever reason it may be. literally everybody knows that in neutral territory there's only "rule no.1: there are no rules", it's part of the freaking deal and they still go with it.
it's beyond common knowledge, it's common sense at this point.

i would say that it's Orphelit's fault if she forced people to go in neutral territory and told them that it's not dangerous, but we all know that that is not the case.

so yeah, that's on them, end of the story

The innocent inhabitants of "neutral territories" were labeled criminals arbitrarily by the tyrannical rule of Queen Orphelith.
They did not choose to have their rightful homeland be declared "neutral territories". They did not choose to be depraved of law enforcement. They did not choose to be stripped of human rights.
You are supporting an evil tyrant, who incites ethnic-, national- and racial- hatred and segregation on institutional level.

 

[ELSCHNY]

Actually the Queen and the Princess can't grow much bigger than the guardians. They can just keep that size longer.

We don't know that, maybe Croixelle can't grow much more since she is much younger and she is still training her powers, but the Queen I am 100% sure can grow much bigger, otherwise why would she be consider the strongest giantess?

 

[Possetermath]

We don't know that, maybe Croixelle can't grow much more since she is much younger and she is still training her powers, but the Queen I am 100% sure can grow much bigger, otherwise why would she be consider the strongest giantess?

I can't shake the nagging feeling that the Sea Queen could be her equal, though it's purely speculation. And that mayyybe Pyerka was at some point actually Queen sized. Again, speculation.

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

Their mother was a villain according to Kendra. Who obviously can't be trusted after everything she did and keeps doing, like destroying entire towns just to annoy Maryen.
And you don't know what Vai'klis did when she was alive, she probably was big part of the reason why Kendra started visiting Homaspernia and getting corrupted.

And undead are actually unnatural abominations that interfere with souls passing onto afterlife. Like Makla who keeps souls chained to the corpses after they die, as a form of torture.
If even innocent cinnamon roll like Eliette participated in purification crusades, there's a really good reason to combat undead menace.

Haha innocent cinnamon... even if the existence of the undead is "evil" in quotes, there are exceptions, we cannot ignore Vaiklis. I know that everything the dark elf suffers is wrong but they killed her, there was no justification and the fact that Kendra asks for her to come back to life... shows a "human" side of her.

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

Yes, Queen can grow much bigger, as well as her daughter, the Princess. And growth size does seem to correlate with magical power of the giantess.
For example: Margarita, who has no magic powers, can't grow at all.


Or this was Maryen's father's lingering spirit. Creating that warm illusion for protagonist, based on his own memories. We know he still lingers in that temple.

No, you're wrong. First of all, Margarita has magical powers, like everyone else, it's very rare for there to be people with a pure soul (the MC, for example). Second: the power to GROW is a quality that few giantesses obtain, it's a gift they have at birth... nothing more. And finally, the power to grow, like everything else, consumes energy, in this case magic power... the power to have a certain amount of magic power allows them to grow more or last a certain time in a new size that... I repeat, consumes magic. Diula can grow as much as she wants if it's daytime... feeding on the sun's rays gives her energy to be a much larger size. The MC can't heal himself with magic without the consequence of being hungry, because healing requires magic and since he doesn't have magic power he has to replace it with another source of energy: eating and sleeping. And so with everything, if Pyeka can obtain magic power indefinitely, she will have the ability in the future to be able to be bigger for as long as she wants... like the queen.

 

[ELSCHNY]

I can't shake the nagging feeling that the Sea Queen could be her equal, though it's purely speculation. And that mayyybe Pyerka was at some point actually Queen sized. Again, speculation.

Emmm maybe but we still don't know anything about the sea kingdoms and we still haven't seen any of the guardians or Croixelle or the Queen grow to their biggest size so there isn't a clear answer yet. And rewarding Pyeka, no I don't think she was or will ever be as powerful as the Queen, the fact that she thinks she is a goddess doesn't mind that is true.

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

People who are divided between Team Kendra and the Undead and Team Eliette and the Purification Army, I have to tell you something... you are both wrong. WE HAVE TO TAKE CONTEXT... what harm does it do if a dead person is resurrected? memory loss, insensitivity to pain, nightmares, absence of heat, etc ... and the greatest damage is the eternal torment of his soul ... everything is very good, everything very nice, the side of the angels won blah blah blah ... NO ... we forgot a detail ... the condition by which the undead suffers that fate is due to the absence of the cause of the necromancy, as happened to the undead peasant from the neutral city, who began to feel those symptoms and wandering the world suffering eternal torment ... Death will come to everyone one day, Eliette said it, being in this world condemned her to lose her immortality ... so, what they should do is REGULATE necromancy, SUPERVISE IT on the part of BOTH SIDES, there will be people who want to continue living and will flee from Elliete and there are people who will accept their destiny and die in peace choosing Elliete ... they have to reach an agreement.

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

Haha innocent cinnamon... even if the existence of the undead is "evil" in quotes, there are exceptions, we cannot ignore Vaiklis. I know that everything the dark elf suffers is wrong but they killed her, there was no justification and the fact that Kendra asks for her to come back to life... shows a "human" side of her.

Vaiklis' mere existence has managed to save lives in Homaspernia, or at least helped alleviate the suffering of said kingdom. If she had been allowed to die, many would suffer, since she creates potions and at a good price, not to mention that we saved the mushroom girl... indirectly Vaiklis saved her... if an undead manages to do good, I think that is a sufficient condition to let him "live"

 

[Sr.Nobody14]

Happy time that never was
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An alternate world where Kendra became a chef, instead of turning into a demon.

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No, my friend, Kendra is really cool...and hot, not like the demon we have.

 

[Durpi]

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Are you talking about Kendra? It's heavy implied that her mom was a hardcore fundamentalist against undead and demons and that she regularly locked Kendra away because she wasn't a obedient child. Oh and I believe she gave the order to kill Vai'Kliss because she saw her as bad influence for Kendra. Have to replay to check in which route this was mentioned.

All in all, the picture I got was that Kendra's mother was a fundamentalist that mistreated her own daughter and posed a constant threat to her friends in the hell kingdom and got even one good friend killed. I fully understand why Kendra hated her so much. Doesn't mean that I think, what she did was the right decision through.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

No, you're wrong. First of all, Margarita has magical powers, like everyone else, it's very rare for there to be people with a pure soul (the MC, for example). Second: the power to GROW is a quality that few giantesses obtain, it's a gift they have at birth... nothing more. And finally, the power to grow, like everything else, consumes energy, in this case magic power... the power to have a certain amount of magic power allows them to grow more or last a certain time in a new size that... I repeat, consumes magic. Diula can grow as much as she wants if it's daytime... feeding on the sun's rays gives her energy to be a much larger size. The MC can't heal himself with magic without the consequence of being hungry, because healing requires magic and since he doesn't have magic power he has to replace it with another source of energy: eating and sleeping. And so with everything, if Pyeka can obtain magic power indefinitely, she will have the ability in the future to be able to be bigger for as long as she wants... like the queen.

Margarita has no magical powers, and also she can’t grow!

 

[Mechanicus N173]

Margarita has no magical powers, and also she can’t grow!

Unfortunately. Because if it could grow, God knows how much money the GG screenwriters would have made.

 

[Chivalry/Honor]

Are you talking about Kendra? It's heavy implied that her mom was a hardcore fundamentalist against undead and demons and that she regularly locked Kendra away because she wasn't a obedient child. Oh and I believe she gave the order to kill Vai'Kliss because she saw her as bad influence for Kendra. Have to replay to check in which route this was mentioned.

All in all, the picture I got was that Kendra's mother was a fundamentalist that mistreated her own daughter and posed a constant threat to her friends in the hell kingdom and got even one good friend killed. I fully understand why Kendra hated her so much. Doesn't mean that I think, what she did was the right decision through.

Damn straight, by killing her mother she condemned half of Keisiema and its people to annihilation by falling from the sky! Do you know how many people that would be considering the sizes of these kingdoms?

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Vaiklis' mere existence has managed to save lives in Homaspernia, or at least helped alleviate the suffering of said kingdom. If she had been allowed to die, many would suffer, since she creates potions and at a good price, not to mention that we saved the mushroom girl... indirectly Vaiklis saved her... if an undead manages to do good, I think that is a sufficient condition to let him "live"

And how many people have died because of Vaiklis corrupting Kendra? If Kendra didn't visit Homaspernia and didn't become evil, literally none of this would have happened. Vaiklis would still be alive, and Maryen's parents would've been alive too.

Are you talking about Kendra? It's heavy implied that her mom was a hardcore fundamentalist against undead and demons and that she regularly locked Kendra away because she wasn't a obedient child. Oh and I believe she gave the order to kill Vai'Kliss because she saw her as bad influence for Kendra. Have to replay to check in which route this was mentioned.

All in all, the picture I got was that Kendra's mother was a fundamentalist that mistreated her own daughter and posed a constant threat to her friends in the hell kingdom and got even one good friend killed. I fully understand why Kendra hated her so much. Doesn't mean that I think, what she did was the right decision through.

That's what I call an "unreliable narrator". Because if you listen to Maryen, their mother was a good if strict parent that loved both her daughters and tried to save Kendra from corruption.
And I already voiced my thought on why Vaiklis got assassinated - she was actively corrupting Kendra.

Damn straight, by killing her mother she condemned half of Keisiema and its people to annihilation by falling from the sky! Do you know how many people that would be considering the sizes of these kingdoms?

Don't even get me started on how many innocent people Kendra have killed since turning into a demon!

 

[Mechanicus N173]