Seeking Harem games with a twist

[isthisnamealreadyinusetoo]

Hi everybody,

I'm new to this forum and I'm amazed about the broad variety of topics that can be found in all those games and visual novels here. I enjoy harem games / novels (well, who doesn't ), especially those that contain father / daughter incest and lesbian sex. Having already played a few of those (Parental Love, DMD, Radiant) I wonder if there are any games that get into these kinks in a more specific way. That's why I hope I can tap into your common knowledge to get some recommendations. So what I'm looking for are harem games / novels that contain:

1) f/d incest, where the daughter is passed around between the father (MC) and the other girls of the harem as a willing sex toy so that all of them can enjoy her AND / OR
2) f/d incest, where the daughter is used as "bait" to get more girls into the harem.

As a variation of the above, I'm also interested in

3) mother / daughter incest games / novels
4) in general any game / novel, in which a (young, naive?) girl is seduced / trained by a more experienced woman / girl. (Regarding the "training": I'm not into BDSM, humiliation etc. so only hit me with the vanilla stuff. )

Maybe I'm lucky and someone can give me a hint to push me in the right direction. I appreciate it.

Thanks!

 

[Ninjas In Paris]

In Midlife Crisis you can use your niece to get your wife in the harem ( it is not yet in the game, probably in the next update 0.23)

 

[isthisnamealreadyinusetoo]

Thanks for the hint! I already downloaded the game but wasn't aware that something like this could come up in the future.