I am working on an ambitious game. Concerns regarding Patreon (UPDATED: Story Demo released)

[cuteperce]

Discussion (and more sneak peeks) moving over at:
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(05/07/24) Update 1: Web-Playable Story Demo posted over at

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but I strongly urge you to download and play the

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or

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version instead! There's a few problems with Ren'Py's web builds that will hinder the browser-experience!​

Greetings all,

I am new to this forum so please excuse any formatting shenanigans etc.

For a few months now I've been spending most of my afternoons working on an ambitious project of mine.




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The connoisseurs amongst you can probably wager a good guess where my concerns lie after taking a look at the above.

For starters, there's the obvious concern of building a game drawing heavy inspiration from popular media....
There's a very obvious "borrowing" of a certain universe and it's characters as you can plainly see.
My game's story takes the original work's universe and turns it upside down on its head. While the characters and their relations are intended to be the same (*Cough cough*, wincest)
Their motives might not align with what you are originally familiar with.
But even though my game parodies Naruto's universe into a much, much darker place, it probably infringes copyright on just about every level.


Other than that, there's the concern regarding darker/heavier themes of sexual content...
I devoted a lot of effort into writing a story where non-consensual acts are at least somewhat explainable. (You'll find out more when an initial version releases soon), but even so... I am not sure Patreon would appreciate the uuuh... extreme degeneracy that can be found in my game.

With that being said, I am aware of similar games that delved into both of my concerns, be it copyright infringement or non-conventional fetishization that have managed to find success and stay above the surface.

I was wondering what sort of measures I could take prior to my initial release to mitigate as much risk as possible. I'd appreciate anyone's opinion on the matter and I hope to see you playing my game some time soon!

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Discord:

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Initial Story Intro Demo:

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[TrickyHunter0506]

Greetings all,

I am new to this forum so please excuse any formatting shenanigans etc.

For a few months now I've been spending most of my afternoons working on an ambitious project of mine.
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The connoisseurs amongst you can probably wager a good guess where my concerns lie after taking a look at the above.

For starters, there's the obvious concern of building a game drawing heavy inspiration from popular media....
There's a very obvious "borrowing" of a certain universe and it's characters as you can plainly see.
My game's story takes the original work's universe and turns it upside down on its head. While the characters and their relations are intended to be the same (*Cough cough*, wincest)
Their motives might no align with what you are originally familiar with.
But even though my game parodies Naruto's universe into a much, much darker place, it probably infringes copyright on just about every level.


Other than that, there's the concern regarding darker/heavier themes of sexual content...
I devoted a lot of effort into writing a story where non-consensual acts are at least somewhat explainable. (You'll find out more when an initial version releases soon), but even so... I am not sure Patreon would appreciate the uuuh... extreme degeneracy that can be found in my game.

With that being said, I am aware of similar games that delved into both of my concerns, be it copyright infringement or non-conventional fetishization that have managed to find success and stat above the surface.

I was wondering what sort of measures I could take prior my initial release to mitigate as much risk as possible. I'd appreciate anyone's opinion on the matter and I hope to see you playing my game some time soon!

Hello . I did saw all the attachments and i really loves it.

1) Are all these images AI generated or Drawn by yourself?

2) is it going to be a VN / RPGM with animated scenes or just still images?

2) I don't mind Incest or NTR but can you you not take characters from the famous, popular and loved anime and their character. Just don't make them into NTR or incest. If you want to show them having sex it's great but only have them with the partners they have in the anime not with other characters. (This is just my opinion so others may have different opinions)

3) Am not discouraging your idea but if you really have drawn this art by yourself i would really love to play this game.

Best of luck to ur game and am eagerly waiting for your response and the game

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

1) Are all these images AI generated or Drawn by yourself?

Obvious AI is obvious.

Anyway...

re: copyright

No one on Patreon gives a shit. If you get a C&D, it will be from actual owners of that IP and yeah in this case you will C and D.

re: rape, incest

Yep, this will get you banned sooner or later. These days it's closer to sooner. Solution? A) Not have this type of content. B) Not have a Patreon.

 

[cuteperce]

Hello . I did saw all the attachments and i really loves it.

1) Are all these images AI generated or Drawn by yourself?

2) is it going to be a VN / RPGM with animated scenes or just still images?

2) I don't mind Incest or NTR but can you you not take characters from the famous, popular and loved anime and their character. Just don't make them into NTR or incest. If you want to show them having sex it's great but only have them with the partners they have in the anime not with other characters. (This is just my opinion so others may have different opinions)

3) Am not discouraging your idea but if you really have drawn this art by yourself i would really love to play this game.

Best of luck to ur game and am eagerly waiting for your response and the game

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

1) I share a lot of the negative sentiment around AI when it comes to art. That being said, we are living in a world where plenty of talented developers/writers/thinkers would never have the financial means to support their creativity were it not for AI. In that regard, I've committed a lot of time trying to perfect my use of AI and along with my limited art skills, I spend a lot of time on "after-care" trying to deliver a consistent, non-abomination like result. And as mentioned, this would be my only course of action if I ever wanted to release a product. The end-goal would be to be able to finance art through potential earnings from the game!

2) Ren'py Engine but I'd hesitate to call it a VN. There's sandbox elements and plenty of alternative methods of engaging the player with unique gameplay elements rather than endless clicking to advance dialogue.

3) While relationships will be optional and configurable, the game's premise is written with incest in mind. NTR will be completely avoidable if you choose to do so. The writing is done in a way that allows the player to choose his own path when it comes to most of his "love interests".

4) I think I covered you with my answer over at 1.

 

[cuteperce]

Obvious AI is obvious.

Anyway...

re: copyright

No one on Patreon gives a shit. If you get a C&D, it will be from actual owners of that IP and yeah in this case you will C and D.

re: rape, incest

Yep, this will get you banned sooner or later. These days it's closer to sooner. Solution? A) Not have this type of content. B) Not have a Patreon.

Thanks for replying. Are you aware of any notable cases where a C & D was issued for other famous porn games?.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Thanks for replying. Are you aware of any notable cases where a C & D was issued for other famous porn games?.

For WEG scene, Gunsmoke games got one, but it was about the game's name, i.e. trademark protection, rather than IP protection. Nintendo went balls to the wall against pokemon hentai once, but... it's Nintendo, they are generally like that.

That's off the top of my head, it clearly depends on who owns the IP you plagiarize.

 

[Gone405]

Greetings all,

I am new to this forum so please excuse any formatting shenanigans etc.

For a few months now I've been spending most of my afternoons working on an ambitious project of mine.
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The connoisseurs amongst you can probably wager a good guess where my concerns lie after taking a look at the above.

For starters, there's the obvious concern of building a game drawing heavy inspiration from popular media....
There's a very obvious "borrowing" of a certain universe and it's characters as you can plainly see.
My game's story takes the original work's universe and turns it upside down on its head. While the characters and their relations are intended to be the same (*Cough cough*, wincest)
Their motives might not align with what you are originally familiar with.
But even though my game parodies Naruto's universe into a much, much darker place, it probably infringes copyright on just about every level.


Other than that, there's the concern regarding darker/heavier themes of sexual content...
I devoted a lot of effort into writing a story where non-consensual acts are at least somewhat explainable. (You'll find out more when an initial version releases soon), but even so... I am not sure Patreon would appreciate the uuuh... extreme degeneracy that can be found in my game.

With that being said, I am aware of similar games that delved into both of my concerns, be it copyright infringement or non-conventional fetishization that have managed to find success and stay above the surface.

I was wondering what sort of measures I could take prior to my initial release to mitigate as much risk as possible. I'd appreciate anyone's opinion on the matter and I hope to see you playing my game some time soon!

The issue I can see with the characters of the IP holders go after you but since you're a very small fish I doubt you will be targeted but you never know.
I don't mind incest (personally not for me) same with NTR (big fan of that). Ive heard from creators that incest can be a ban off of pateron (only heard this was the case I'm not fully sure). ik on here they sometimes ask to remove the incest for some reason(legal ig). I would say setting a direct donation maybe the better option but ik that can be a pain.
I hope you can get the game going. The art is great! Good job taking the time to set up everything to look good! (That Hinata picture got me feeling some type of way xD)

 

[cuteperce]

The issue I can see with the characters of the IP holders go after you but since you're a very small fish I doubt you will be targeted but you never know.
I don't mind incest (personally not for me) same with NTR (big fan of that). Ive heard from creators that incest can be a ban off of pateron (only heard this was the case I'm not fully sure). ik on here they sometimes ask to remove the incest for some reason(legal ig). I would say setting a direct donation maybe the better option but ik that can be a pain.
I hope you can get the game going. The art is great! Good job taking the time to set up everything to look good! (That Hinata picture got me feeling some type of way xD)

Thanks for your input and the positive sentiment!

I am taking measures to release an un-incestified version of the game first with a patch that enables the intended relationships if the player wants that. In your case, I don't think that's particularly helpful since you are familiar with the source material :/ But still... it's an option!

I am not sure how to go about setting a direct donation system in place. Has there been notable examples of creators heading towards that way that you know of?

 

[Gone405]

Thanks for your input and the positive sentiment!

I am taking measures to release an un-incestified version of the game first with a patch that enables the intended relationships if the player wants that. In your case, I don't think that's particularly helpful since you are familiar with the source material :/ But still... it's an option!

I am not sure how to go about setting a direct donation system in place. Has there been notable examples of creators heading towards that way that you know of?

Np at all happy to help! Yea this one is a childhood favorite of mine so I will always know lol (that's fine I will still play it. Hinata is love Hinata is life <3)
I have not sadly I'm sorry for that lack of info. Ik some peeps use PayPal for donations but ik that can be hard for some since some personal info will be shown. Goodluck with this all! I will continue to follow this game and if you get a way going to support you I will do my part in helping you by giving you a donation.

 

[cuteperce]

Hello again! For anyone interested in keeping up with my updates, I am moving discussion over at:

I'll be posting frequent development updates and expecting your much needed feedback!

 

[Ass prefer]

Bullshit about Naruto incest and ai generated pictures

 

[cuteperce]

Bullshit about Naruto incest and ai generated pictures

I understand if you are not particularly receptive of incest which is why my game includes plenty of non-incest scenes and love-interests while keeping the majority of incestuous sex-acts optional/avoidable.

Now when it comes to AI, I think it would be dismissive of anyone to disregard all AI-assisted work as "Bullshit" or worthless. In a world where I could only deliver a product with the assistance of AI, or no product at all, I would always choose the former.

To that end, I'll leave you with a little story about my background hoping that in doing so, you can at least see where I am coming from.

Growing up I was always interested in various forms of creative outlets, sometimes it was writing, other times it was art or music and everything in between the lot.
As much as I enjoyed art and everything it meant, my parents were vehemently against pursuing a career in the creative fields and pushed me towards becoming just another cog in the corporate machine that slowly chews away at all of us and our creativity.

While I kept a recreational relationship with arts throughout the years, my skills are nowhere near close to being able to support an undertaking such as this. What my skills are sufficient for though, is making sure by spending enough time on "after-care" and touch-up work, that I can deliver a consistent, non-abomination like result.

Today, I find myself being able to indulge upon my creativity, largely because of AI-assisted work that eliminates the financial roadblock that would be art in my case.

 

[Ass prefer]

I understand if you are not particularly receptive of incest which is why my game includes plenty of non-incest scenes and love-interests while keeping the majority of incestuous sex-acts optional/avoidable.

Now when it comes to AI, I think it would be dismissive of anyone to disregard all AI-assisted work as "Bullshit" or worthless. In a world where I could only deliver a product with the assistance of AI, or no product at all, I would always choose the former.

To that end, I'll leave you with a little story about my background hoping that in doing so, you can at least see where I am coming from.

Growing up I was always interested in various forms of creative outlets, sometimes it was writing, other times it was art or music and everything in between the lot.
As much as I enjoyed art and everything it meant, my parents were vehemently against pursuing a career in the creative fields and pushed me towards becoming just another cog in the corporate machine that slowly chews away at all of us and our creativity.

While I kept a recreational relationship with arts throughout the years, my skills are nowhere near close to being able to support an undertaking such as this. What my skills are sufficient for though, is making sure by spending enough time on "after-care" and touch-up work, that I can deliver a consistent, non-abomination like result.

Today, I find myself being able to indulge upon my creativity, largely because of AI-assisted work that eliminates the financial roadblock that would be art in my case.

Yes, yes, excuses in style are not a template, this is the style and the rest of the bullshit. I hope you choke.

 

[cuteperce]

I've been contemplating going over the setting/premise of my game in a text post here, but I though it might be better to deliver the complete experience via an introductory release of a "Story demo version" of my game.

I'd love to hear initial thoughts/feedback/opinions. You can find the download links over at the LINKS section at the end of my post here:

 

[cuteperce]

In this post, I'll give you a quick overview of one of the central game mechanics of

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.


House of Shinobi is ultimately a game of choices. Each choice you make, however small is intended to have some sort of impact on your experience. To put things into perspective, the initial 0.1 release coming later this month includes more than 300 choices.

What does that entail for you, the player?
Let's start by describing the 2 types of characters present in House of Shinobi

First, the main characters:



Each of the (3-initial main characters) have various stats that can affect your interactions. Throughout the game, almost all choices you make will either negatively or positively affect one or more of their attributes. Subsequently, the story, dialogue and scenes you'll be able to experience will vary based on your approach.

It's important to note that relationships can flow both ways, be it Love or Hatred. You'll note on the following screenshot (Don't mind the massive schlong) how the MC possesses unique stats different than those of female characters. The MC's attributes will determine his demeanor throughout the game:

Main Character attributes​

Every attribute allows for unique gameplay interactions that allow you to approach scenarios in ways that resonate with you.

Besides the 3 Main Characters, you'll also encounter characters not particularly central to the story, AKA - "Side Characters".
Unlike Main characters, side characters won't possess unique attributes. Instead, your approach towards them will largely be affected by the main character's attributes and your choices.

The end goal is to allow the player to follow their own unique path. If you enjoy lovey-dovey approaches, House of Shinobi has you covered. Don't be spooked by the "Hatred" attribute. You'll be able to get through the game without engaging in any uhh... darker indulgences.
Alternatively, if you are a sadistic, depraved, perverted fuck, you'll probably enjoy some of the sickening shit you can do in House of Shinobi if you let yourself sink into Hatred!


PS: I've uploaded a web version of the Story Demo over at

You must be registered to see the links

but I strongly urge you to download and play the

You must be registered to see the links

or

You must be registered to see the links

version instead! There's a few problems with Ren'Py's web builds that will hinder the browser-experience!

 

[Gone405]

In this post, I'll give you a quick overview of one of the central game mechanics of

You must be registered to see the links

.


House of Shinobi is ultimately a game of choices. Each choice you make, however small is intended to have some sort of impact on your experience. To put things into perspective, the initial 0.1 release coming later this month includes more than 300 choices.

What does that entail for you, the player?
Let's start by describing the 2 types of characters present in House of Shinobi

First, the main characters:
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Each of the (3-initial main characters) have various stats that can affect your interactions. Throughout the game, almost all choices you make will either negatively or positively affect one or more of their attributes. Subsequently, the story, dialogue and scenes you'll be able to experience will vary based on your approach.

It's important to note that relationships can flow both ways, be it Love or Hatred. You'll note on the following screenshot (Don't mind the massive schlong) how the MC possesses unique stats different than those of female characters. The MC's attributes will determine his demeanor throughout the game:
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Main Character attributes​

Every attribute allows for unique gameplay interactions that allow you to approach scenarios in ways that resonate with you.

Besides the 3 Main Characters, you'll also encounter characters not particularly central to the story, AKA - "Side Characters".
Unlike Main characters, side characters won't possess unique attributes. Instead, your approach towards them will largely be affected by the main character's attributes and your choices.

The end goal is to allow the player to follow their own unique path. If you enjoy lovey-dovey approaches, House of Shinobi has you covered. Don't be spooked by the "Hatred" attribute. You'll be able to get through the game without engaging in any uhh... darker indulgences.
Alternatively, if you are a sadistic, depraved, perverted fuck, you'll probably enjoy some of the sickening shit you can do in House of Shinobi if you let yourself sink into Hatred!


PS: I've uploaded a web version of the Story Demo over at

You must be registered to see the links

but I strongly urge you to download and play the

You must be registered to see the links

or

You must be registered to see the links

version instead! There's a few problems with Ren'Py's web builds that will hinder the browser-experience!

I will look into this game and download the demo! The art is great! The Game sounds solid af. Hope for the best as always! Glad it's going smoothly so far for ya!