I finally found the reason why people like NTR (Netorare).

[Deleted member 8302079]

Hey everyone, I’ve been thinking about NTR (Netorare) lately and trying to figure out why people are so into it. Personally, I enjoy it sometimes, but it also leaves me questioning myself. Does liking this stuff mean I’ve got some deep-seated issues? Or is it just a harmless fantasy that doesn’t mean anything IRL? So, I did some digging into this topic to make sense of it, and here’s what I found:

1. Emotional masochism theory
There’s this idea in psychology that some people enjoy emotional pain in a safe way, it’s called emotional masochism. You know how some people cry during sad movies or listen to heartbreak songs on repeat? NTR is kind of like that, but more intense. It lets you feel those raw emotions like jealousy and betrayal without it being real. It’s like exploring your own pain without actually getting hurt.

2. The forbidden fruit effect
We’re wired to be drawn to taboo stuff, it’s called the forbidden fruit effect. NTR takes things like cheating, betrayal, and humiliation, which are major no-nos IRL, and throws them right in your face. That tension makes it exciting in a weird way because it’s breaking all the rules we’ve been taught to follow.

3. The cuckold fantasy and power dynamics
This one hits a bit harder. Some theories tie NTR to power dynamics, like feeling powerless or being in a submissive role. It’s not necessarily about wanting to be a “cuck” IRL, but about exploring the emotions tied to loss of control or vulnerability. In some cases, it’s tied to what’s called the “cuckold fantasy,” where people get aroused by imagining themselves in that position, even if they don’t actually want it in reality.

4. Parasocial attachment and emotional investment
There’s something called parasocial relationships, where you get attached to fictional characters like they’re real. In NTR, when someone you’re emotionally invested in gets “stolen,” it feels personal. That attachment makes the emotions hit harder, which can be both painful and addictive.

5. Narrative and character corruption
Another big one is the theme of corruption. NTR often shows a strong, pure, or loyal character being “taken” or changed. It’s not just about the betrayal but the transformation. Seeing someone break or shift from one role to another creates drama and tension, and it’s that emotional shift that people get hooked on.

Does liking NTR mean you’re broken or a cuck as people say?
Nah, not at all. Researchers have shown that fantasies are often just that fantasies. They don’t define what you want or who you are IRL. You could be into NTR stories but still value loyalty and love in reality. It’s like enjoying crime dramas but not wanting to be a criminal.

Conclusion: If NTR gets to you, it’s probably because it hits something deep, whether that’s curiosity, emotional masochism, or just fascination with the taboo. It doesn’t make you weird, broken, or a cuck. It just means you’re exploring complex feelings in a safe, fictional way. Do you guys think NTR taps into something deeper, or is it just another kink? Let me know. I’d love to hear your thoughts, especially if you’ve got other theories or even book recommendations on this kind of stuff.

(Some sources I used for this research: “Paraphilias in human sexuality” by J. Money, studies on emotional masochism, and articles on parasocial relationships)

 

[SamuraiDice]

 

[Letstryitout]

I'm pretty sure there is Incest and Futa/Trap variation of this post somewhere in this site.

 

[Gone405]

Hey everyone, I’ve been thinking about NTR (Netorare) lately and trying to figure out why people are so into it. Personally, I enjoy it sometimes, but it also leaves me questioning myself. Does liking this stuff mean I’ve got some deep-seated issues? Or is it just a harmless fantasy that doesn’t mean anything IRL? So, I did some digging into this topic to make sense of it, and here’s what I found:

1. Emotional masochism theory
There’s this idea in psychology that some people enjoy emotional pain in a safe way, it’s called emotional masochism. You know how some people cry during sad movies or listen to heartbreak songs on repeat? NTR is kind of like that, but more intense. It lets you feel those raw emotions like jealousy and betrayal without it being real. It’s like exploring your own pain without actually getting hurt.

2. The forbidden fruit effect
We’re wired to be drawn to taboo stuff, it’s called the forbidden fruit effect. NTR takes things like cheating, betrayal, and humiliation, which are major no-nos IRL, and throws them right in your face. That tension makes it exciting in a weird way because it’s breaking all the rules we’ve been taught to follow.

3. The cuckold fantasy and power dynamics
This one hits a bit harder. Some theories tie NTR to power dynamics, like feeling powerless or being in a submissive role. It’s not necessarily about wanting to be a “cuck” IRL, but about exploring the emotions tied to loss of control or vulnerability. In some cases, it’s tied to what’s called the “cuckold fantasy,” where people get aroused by imagining themselves in that position, even if they don’t actually want it in reality.

4. Parasocial attachment and emotional investment
There’s something called parasocial relationships, where you get attached to fictional characters like they’re real. In NTR, when someone you’re emotionally invested in gets “stolen,” it feels personal. That attachment makes the emotions hit harder, which can be both painful and addictive.

5. Narrative and character corruption
Another big one is the theme of corruption. NTR often shows a strong, pure, or loyal character being “taken” or changed. It’s not just about the betrayal but the transformation. Seeing someone break or shift from one role to another creates drama and tension, and it’s that emotional shift that people get hooked on.

Does liking NTR mean you’re broken or a cuck as people say?
Nah, not at all. Researchers have shown that fantasies are often just that fantasies. They don’t define what you want or who you are IRL. You could be into NTR stories but still value loyalty and love in reality. It’s like enjoying crime dramas but not wanting to be a criminal.

Conclusion: If NTR gets to you, it’s probably because it hits something deep, whether that’s curiosity, emotional masochism, or just fascination with the taboo. It doesn’t make you weird, broken, or a cuck. It just means you’re exploring complex feelings in a safe, fictional way. Do you guys think NTR taps into something deeper, or is it just another kink? Let me know. I’d love to hear your thoughts, especially if you’ve got other theories or even book recommendations on this kind of stuff.

(Some sources I used for this research: “Paraphilias in human sexuality” by J. Money, studies on emotional masochism, and articles on parasocial relationships)

I love NTR stuff and it's all about the corruption baby love seeing a loyal wife/gf be slowly turned into a major slut! Good time for sure.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

1. Emotional masochism theory

2. The forbidden fruit effect

3. The cuckold fantasy and power dynamics

4. Parasocial attachment and emotional investment

5. Narrative and character corruption

If you want my thoughts, 1 and 3 are the exact same thing, with slightly different flavor. Whether you seek jealousy or whatever emotion is associated with vulnerability, it's still seeking a negative emotional experience in a controlled way.

2. This one I find very unlikely. There is no big taboo here.

4. This one I suspect is what's supposed to happen, but personally I usually don't find writing convincing in the slightest. In any case I think it's only meant to enchance the pain, which brings us back to theory 1.

5. Nah. It's not it. The thing that defines ntr is not enchancing corruption in any way. In fact, a lot of stories have this very limited non-omniscient PoV that doesn't let you see much, and therefore miss the corruption. This is obviously counterproductive for corruption lovers.

By exclusion I think 1 slash 3 is the one.

 

[Deleted member 8302079]

If you want my thoughts, 1 and 3 are the exact same thing, with slightly different flavor. Whether you seek jealousy or whatever emotion is associated with vulnerability, it's still seeking a negative emotional experience in a controlled way.

2. This one I find very unlikely. There is no big taboo here.

4. This one I suspect is what's supposed to happen, but personally I usually don't find writing convincing in the slightest. In any case I think it's only meant to enchance the pain, which brings us back to theory 1.

5. Nah. It's not it. The thing that defines ntr is not enchancing corruption in any way. In fact, a lot of stories have this very limited non-omniscient PoV that doesn't let you see much, and therefore miss the corruption. This is obviously counterproductive for corruption lovers.

By exclusion I think 1 slash 3 is the one.

Appreciate the response, dude. I see what you’re saying, but again I’ve got a bit of a different take here.

1 & 3. Yeah, they’re kinda similar, but I feel like there’s a difference. Emotional masochism (1) is more about just feeling those heavy emotions, like jealousy or betrayal, for the sake of it. But 3 is more tied to the whole power dynamic, where it’s about being in a vulnerable spot or losing control. They overlap for sure, but they scratch slightly different itches, y’know?

2. Fair point that it’s not the most taboo thing out there, but I still think there’s something to it. Like, cheating and betrayal hit a nerve for most people, so seeing it in a story kind of messes with you in a way that’s hard to ignore. That tension feels pretty core to what makes NTR tick.

4. Yeah, bad writing can ruin it, no doubt. But when it’s done right, the emotional investment is what makes it hit so hard. If you don’t care about the characters, it’s just whatever. But if you’re invested, it feels way more personal, which makes the betrayal sting. That’s the addictive part, IMHO.

5. I understand why you’d say corruption isn’t a big deal for NTR, and yeah, it’s not always there. But when it is, it adds something extra for me. Like, seeing a character change or “break” brings more drama and tension. I wouldn’t say it’s the core, but it spices things up. I do agree that 1/3 are the big ones, but for me, 4 and 5 bring more depth when they’re done well. Curious, do you think it’s mostly about exploring emotions, or is it just the thrill of it for you?

 

[ChadChan3D]

You get NTR more than most do. The joy of NTR is in what you said: Emotional pain expressed as sexual pleasure, the taboos of betrayal and stealing, the sadism of watching corruption take hold of a person, and seeing power roles reversed.

The last one a lot of people miss but relationships are power dynamics. When you pair beautiful, 10/10 babes with uggos, perverts, dogs, elders, shotas, and anything else contemptible, you flip the power role: The powerless (societal rejects) are more powerful than are the powerful (natural beauty). And then there's the vacuum of power from the cuck.

I put forth that NTR is also a misogynstic fetish; we're watching women's souls turn black. They're traitors and we love them and hate them for it.

 

[firebolt126]

NTR from the MC viewpoint, when he/she did no wrong, slowly corrupting, eroding, and destroying all lives involved is fucking brutal though. Especially in a well written and slow buildup story that isn't just mindless sex artwork. That shit is hard to stomach when you're putting your perspective from the MC point of view. Some people can read it and more or less read it as a third person observer, but not others like myself. What I happen to enjoy these day is NTR with some fucking revenge against the people that did the MC wrong. Getting together with the FMC's family/friend/boss or the bull's family/friend/boss. You fucked me over and now I fuck your mom kind of deal (without resorting to rape or blackmail preferably, I rather they fall for the MC willingly).

 

[qwertylord]

I don't mind reading a good tragedy... but it's much harder to fap to one. I guess that's the most alien part to me. 9/10 times just kills the mood.

There's also the female perspective I think where there's the idea of pleasure so good it overwhelms your feeling of responsibility to your partner. Or maybe just more intense emotion is just better, idk. Isn't NTR fairly popular among women? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[woody554]

the only thing I'd add is that those different ways of seeking pain from your partner being stolen AROUSES an ntr fetishist.

if the jealous pain doesn't arouse you, you don't have the kink. it's perfectly normal to enjoy emotional pain safely in a tragedy, but that alone is not a kink. a kink is always sexual.

you might still have some other fetish to jerk off to an ntr story, but you're not there for the ntr.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

1 & 3. Yeah, they’re kinda similar, but I feel like there’s a difference. Emotional masochism (1) is more about just feeling those heavy emotions, like jealousy or betrayal, for the sake of it. But 3 is more tied to the whole power dynamic, where it’s about being in a vulnerable spot or losing control. They overlap for sure, but they scratch slightly different itches, y’know?

Yeah, I get it, but I would still classify them as subtypes of a big overarching category. It's still getting off some emotional pain. It's like spanking and hot wax, from a biology standpoint different receptors, different types of pain. Getting off them is still masochism, and not even different kinds of it.

2. Fair point that it’s not the most taboo thing out there, but I still think there’s something to it. Like, cheating and betrayal hit a nerve for most people, so seeing it in a story kind of messes with you in a way that’s hard to ignore. That tension feels pretty core to what makes NTR tick.

Lots of stories hit a nerve. Schindler's list. Grave of the fireflies. It's not a taboo to be a victim. Same applies here, I think. Here's a test for this situation. Suppose your friend has a wife, and she cheats on said friend with someone else (not you). What's the socially appropriate response? Support, maybe pity the friend. Try to make sure he doesn't drown in a bottle if you're an actually good friend. Scorn the whore wife and maybe homewrecker if he knew (some don't). From this we conclude that the cuck's perspective doesn't have a taboo component. Shame, jealousy, anger, shattered self-esteem, whatever. But negative emotions are not taboo.

4. Yeah, bad writing can ruin it, no doubt. But when it’s done right, the emotional investment is what makes it hit so hard. If you don’t care about the characters, it’s just whatever.

Yes. Exactly.

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I understand why you’d say corruption isn’t a big deal for NTR, and yeah, it’s not always there. But when it is, it adds something extra for me. Like, seeing a character change or “break” brings more drama and tension. I wouldn’t say it’s the core, but it spices things up. I do agree that 1/3 are the big ones, but for me, 4 and 5 bring more depth when they’re done well.

Some fetishes, genres, and just... things go well together, they compliment each other well. There's no denying that. But the things that make these types, fundamentally, are just different. For ntr it's the cuck's experience, for corruption it's the corruptor's and/or corruptee's experiences.

Curious, do you think it’s mostly about exploring emotions, or is it just the thrill of it for you?

I'm not sure what this question relates to. If the question corruption, I like the character arc. There's a bit of both, the thrill of control and submission play, and emotions of the protagonists when they break the internal boundaries. If your question is about ntr then I'm afraid the answer is nothing. It's not for me. I'm just stumbling into it occasionally because I'm here for corruption, and yes, they often go hand in hand. But I inevitably find that the story framing that makes it an ntr story takes corruption out of focus. At best. At worst the prevalent tropes... are just bad. I don't hate the genre (but I love the rabid haters, I admit; they can be hilarious). But it's ... annoying, I guess. It's in the way of the content I want the story to focus on. That's why I disagreed on the 5, from a perspective of someone who likes one and not the other it's obvious these have completely different draws.

 

[Dan1605]

Nah I like NTR (and incest and other relatively taboo topics) for the same reason I like porn

Girls being slutty

I want to see relatively innocent female NPCs succumb to being whores. I like it especially when its rapey or blackmail.

I love those ones where the MC is subtly controlling things without the girls noticing and creating these situations they have no control over it

 

[desmosome]

For ntr it's the cuck's experience, for corruption it's the corruptor's and/or corruptee's experiences.

I can see why you want to make that distinction, but it's basically gatekeeping for no reason. And what's more, this gatekeeping is usually done by newcomers to the genre.

NTR and corruption go hand in hand. Well, more specifically, corruption is almost always part of NTR. In fact, the NTR stories that focuses primarily on the cuck's experience is in the minority (and they are basically are just western cuckold stories that appropriated the tag). Most NTR stories have the main focus on the FMC's corruption arcs, for good reason, because that's the fappable bits. I can't remember if you are a fan or hater of NTR, but it's always funny when someone tries to tell people who enjoy NTR games for whatever reason that they are not actually NTR fans.

The cuck's experience (his thoughts, characterizations, and relationship dynamics with the FMC) is in most cases the extra sauce that makes the corruption of the FMC more morally reprehensible.

 

[firebolt126]

Yeah, when you're playing from the FMC's perspective or a third person perspective, it's more or less, not as emotionally sabotaging. You're watching the FMC's perspective and her enjoyment. But when the game narrate the story from the MC that is being cheated, betrayed, and ridiculed, it hit different. It's like watching something tragic and sad unfold. If I have to watch that shit, I prefer if the game has endings or routes where I can make the characters that made the MC (me the player) go through that same pain or worse.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

I can see why you want to make that distinction, but it's basically gatekeeping for no reason. And what's more, this gatekeeping is usually done by newcomers to the genre.

I am of the opinion that words should have useful meaning. When you see that the story is ntr, you know one key thing: someone's getting cucked. When you see the story is about corruption, you do not know whether someone's getting cucked. You know someone's getting their attitudes, or morals changed radically, and not in the direction of "good." These are two things that define them.

This is not gatekeeping, which by the way is another word that has a different meaning. I'm not trying to keep some stories out. I'm just delineating the genres.

NTR and corruption go hand in hand. Well, more specifically, corruption is almost always part of NTR.

No. Ntr may be often accompanied by corruption, but corruption is very often not accompanied by NTR. That's why the distincion exists in the first place. Ntr often clings to corruption for support, but corruption is a strong and independent woman that walks alone and needs to no cuck hands to hold.

(and they are basically are just western cuckold stories that appropriated the tag).

Now THIS is prime example of gatekeeping. You do not get to keep westerners behind the gate.

I can't remember if you are a fan or hater of NTR

You... could read the very message you quoted and not rely on memory. The very next paragraph! Please, do it before we continue.

 

[Geigi]

Isn't NTR fairly popular among women? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't see the appeal in typical NTR from male's perspective and the obsession with it, but you are not wrong. Women like NTR from female's perspective and netori, it's just they definitely prefer to be stolen by a better guy in NTR, hence the cheating. There's even survey.

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[desmosome]

When you see that the story is ntr, you know one key thing: someone's getting cucked.

And that the girl is probably getting sexually corrupted by some dickhead. Yes, we know this. Because it's part of 99% of NTR stories.

No. Ntr may be often accompanied by corruption, but corruption is very often not accompanied by NTR. That's why the distincion exists in the first place.

Okay? Many types of corruption stories exist, plenty without NTR. But netorare almost always includes corruption. It's not a question of equating the two tags. No one is saying NTR = corruption. I'm saying netorare has corruption elements which is what drives the cuckoldry progression. I honestly don't even know what your arguing about here. That we should ignore this fact that NTR stories are often the best corruption stories? That it's wrong for someone to enjoy NTR because of the enhanced corruption elements?

Now THIS is prime example of gatekeeping. You do not get to keep westerners behind the gate.

Lol how so? Did I say cuckoldry is not NTR? Even in Japanese NTR, knowing cuckoldry type NTR existed, although not as many as cheating based oblivious NTR. I include cuck stuff, even the typical western cuck stuff, in the broad NTR category, but these new cuck fans seem to be quite insistent that many Japanese NTR games are doing it wrong or something lol.

You... could read the very message you quoted and not rely on memory. The very next paragraph! Please, do it before we continue.

Okay? So you like corruption but not NTR. Good for you. Now why would you insist that corruption can't be a reason to enjoy NTR stories? Are you incapable of accepting that people enjoy NTR or corruption for whatever different reason? You came in asserting strongly that corruption isn't a valid reason to enjoy the genre.

Now it's coming back to me. We had this discussion at least twice before. LOL. That is your stance, isn't it? That NTR fans are basically all cucks and those saying they enjoy the corruption in it are bullshiting or something?

 

[seifukulover]

I put forth that NTR is also a misogynstic fetish; we're watching women's souls turn black. They're traitors and we love them and hate them for it.

I think this is a big part of it. Even though I'm not generally a fan of NTR, I recently tried out this SAO game "Trap of Concealed Breath Magic". The primary story is Asuna cheating on her BF with a foul villain who has a bigger penis than him. To fully enjoy this story you have to dislike or at least disrespect Asuna (or Kirito, which I think is more relevant), and since I don't dislike either hero, I didn't like the main story. I imagine the biggest fans of the game think about Asuna, you only care about men for their bodies, what a bad girl you are. Likewise, every side scene is about a woman being disrespected or taken advantage of, and there's even a chatroom which is basically 4chan. So there's this pervasive misogynistic feel to everything.

 

[Jaike]

People like NTR only because they're paid by Musk, Bezos and Soros to like it, so these billionaires don't feel alone in the universe. /s

For Japanese fans, the fact it can validate some of the weird misogyny in their society, like certain rape myths, can be a factor for those who don't see fantasy as fantasy. Less likely for western fans though, unless they're weebs in kimonos.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Okay? So you like corruption but not NTR. Good for you. Now why would you insist that corruption can't be a reason to enjoy NTR stories? Are you incapable of accepting that people enjoy NTR or corruption for whatever different reason? You came in asserting strongly that corruption isn't a valid reason to enjoy the genre.

The distinction I need to emphasize here is between liking netorare and liking netorare stories.

There's nothing contradictory in liking netorare stories for secondary content. Let me quickly...

There. Figure 1: a non-contradictory way to like stories with ntr.

The problem I have is when these people say they like ntr. Because it doesn't follow. Either you like corruption, corruption happens to be paired with ntr, you don't mind, good for you (ref. figure 1). OR you like ntr on its own, and then you're evading the question.

Basically, two questions. Well, three, but they branch, so you only get two. Do you like that elusive 1% of stories that has ntr, but has no corruption? If yes, *why*. If no, why don't you just say you like corruption?

We had this discussion at least twice before. LOL.

No, I'm pretty sure we didn't. Not twice or more, surely.