I regret my mary fetish stories.

[Zakharova]

... and all the other forced conversions. Like this one [Olaf Tryggvason was a king of Norway in the late 10th century who tried (and failed) to convert Norway to Christianity, by any means necessary]:

"[...] King Óláfr immediately went up to the farm with his men, made an attack on the upper room there that Rauðr slept in, and broke in. Men ran in there. Then Rauðr was taken captive and bound, and the other men who were in there were killed, and some taken captive. Then the king’s men went to the hall that Rauðr’s household slept in. Some there were killed and some tied up, some beaten. Then the king had Rauðr brought before him, ordering him to have himself baptised.
'I will then,' says the king, 'not take from you your property, rather be your friend, if you go carefully.'
Rauðr shouted in protest, saying that he would never believe in Christ, and blaspheming greatly. Then the king became angry and said that Rauðr should die the worst death. Then the king had him taken and bound face upwards on a beam, had a piece of wood put between his teeth so as to open up his mouth. Then the king had a heather-snake taken and brought to his mouth, but the snake would not go in his mouth and wriggled away, because Rauðr blew against it. Then the king had an angelica stalk pipe taken and put in Rauðr’s mouth—though some people say that the king had his trumpet put in his mouth—and put the snake in it, having a red-hot iron bar pushed against it from the outside. Then the snake wriggled into Rauðr’s mouth and after that into his throat and tore out through his side. There Rauðr lost his life [no shit]. King Óláfr took there a huge amount of wealth in gold and silver and other goods, in weapons and many sorts of valuable items. But all the people who had been with Rauðr the king had baptised, and those who refused he had killed or tortured."

From Óláfs saga Tryggvasonar in Heimskringla, but there are many other sources (most, if not all, of them written by Christians).

Now, that's what I call a limit-experience. I can only imagine the ecstasy that Rauðr must have felt.

I love how you bring anthropological, mythological, and philosophical foundations to a discussion about fetish in porn games.

You're my favorite recent user.

This forum needs more fuckers like you.

 

[MissCougar]

... and all the other forced conversions. Like this one [Olaf Tryggvason was a king of Norway in the late 10th century who tried (and failed) to convert Norway to Christianity, by any means necessary]:

"[...] King Óláfr immediately went up to the farm with his men, made an attack on the upper room there that Rauðr slept in, and broke in. Men ran in there. Then Rauðr was taken captive and bound, and the other men who were in there were killed, and some taken captive. Then the king’s men went to the hall that Rauðr’s household slept in. Some there were killed and some tied up, some beaten. Then the king had Rauðr brought before him, ordering him to have himself baptised.
'I will then,' says the king, 'not take from you your property, rather be your friend, if you go carefully.'
Rauðr shouted in protest, saying that he would never believe in Christ, and blaspheming greatly. Then the king became angry and said that Rauðr should die the worst death. Then the king had him taken and bound face upwards on a beam, had a piece of wood put between his teeth so as to open up his mouth. Then the king had a heather-snake taken and brought to his mouth, but the snake would not go in his mouth and wriggled away, because Rauðr blew against it. Then the king had an angelica stalk pipe taken and put in Rauðr’s mouth—though some people say that the king had his trumpet put in his mouth—and put the snake in it, having a red-hot iron bar pushed against it from the outside. Then the snake wriggled into Rauðr’s mouth and after that into his throat and tore out through his side. There Rauðr lost his life [no shit]. King Óláfr took there a huge amount of wealth in gold and silver and other goods, in weapons and many sorts of valuable items. But all the people who had been with Rauðr the king had baptised, and those who refused he had killed or tortured."

From Óláfs saga Tryggvasonar in Heimskringla, but there are many other sources (most, if not all, of them written by Christians).

Now, that's what I call a limit-experience. I can only imagine the ecstasy that Rauðr must have felt.

You even got all those funky characters with lines over the letters on them. I don't even know how to do those. This is a post.

 

[Jaike]

... and all the other forced conversions. Like this one [Olaf Tryggvason was a king of Norway in the late 10th century who tried (and failed) to convert Norway to Christianity, by any means necessary]:

"[...] King Óláfr immediately went up to the farm with his men, made an attack on the upper room there that Rauðr slept in, and broke in. Men ran in there. Then Rauðr was taken captive and bound, and the other men who were in there were killed, and some taken captive. Then the king’s men went to the hall that Rauðr’s household slept in. Some there were killed and some tied up, some beaten. Then the king had Rauðr brought before him, ordering him to have himself baptised.
'I will then,' says the king, 'not take from you your property, rather be your friend, if you go carefully.'
Rauðr shouted in protest, saying that he would never believe in Christ, and blaspheming greatly. Then the king became angry and said that Rauðr should die the worst death. Then the king had him taken and bound face upwards on a beam, had a piece of wood put between his teeth so as to open up his mouth. Then the king had a heather-snake taken and brought to his mouth, but the snake would not go in his mouth and wriggled away, because Rauðr blew against it. Then the king had an angelica stalk pipe taken and put in Rauðr’s mouth—though some people say that the king had his trumpet put in his mouth—and put the snake in it, having a red-hot iron bar pushed against it from the outside. Then the snake wriggled into Rauðr’s mouth and after that into his throat and tore out through his side. There Rauðr lost his life [no shit]. King Óláfr took there a huge amount of wealth in gold and silver and other goods, in weapons and many sorts of valuable items. But all the people who had been with Rauðr the king had baptised, and those who refused he had killed or tortured."

From Óláfs saga Tryggvasonar in Heimskringla, but there are many other sources (most, if not all, of them written by Christians).

Now, that's what I call a limit-experience. I can only imagine the ecstasy that Rauðr must have felt.

Did you do or check for source criticism on this saga?

 

[agelastos]

I love how you bring anthropological, mythological, and philosophical foundations to a discussion about fetish in porn games.

You're my favorite recent user.

This forum needs more fuckers like you.

Thanks! Likewise! I always read your posts with great interest.

You even got all those funky characters with lines over the letters on them. I don't even know how to do those. This is a post.

Funky letters? That's my ancestral language you're talking about!
You mean the eth (ð)? I don't know how to do those either. I copied the whole thing from my ebook copy of Heimskringla.

Did you do or check for source criticism on this saga?

I'm not a historian, but I did do some digging. There don't seem to be any contemporary records of the Rauðr episode (but there aren't many records from that time anyway). It's only attested in the late saga tradition (Oddr Snorrason, c. 1190, and Snorri Sturlason, c. 1230) as far as I could find, but Oddr drew on earlier materials and hagiography (mostly from the 11th century), and those sources are all consistent in depicting Olaf's coercive measures as... pretty extreme (something they praised him for, btw). So the exact "snake through the mouth" detail may be a folkloric motif, but the broader picture (Olaf using brutal force to Christianize Norway) is definitely historically plausible.

 

[MissCougar]

ð

Obviously the best letter. I'm calling it a "dee-EE".

youre welcome.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Yea well i lieddue to shame.

And it's shame that made you wish for the death of all nuns and faggot apologists?

Gods, you really need to seek for IRL help, even the worse troll would be more coherent than you...

 

[Icarus Media]

ð

Obviously the best letter. I'm calling it a "dee-EE".

youre welcome.

That's either thorn or eth if I recall correctly. Old English also had some odd letters such as A and E together.

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Yeah 5 letters that were lost in English, have a look and see if you find it interesting.

 

[Icarus Media]

Did you do or check for source criticism on this saga?

agelastos Ooh...our resident historian girl is about to give you a verbal whoopass if you get anything historical wrong on this forum. Jaike loves history, gets off on it in fact.

 

[agelastos]

agelastos Ooh...our resident historian girl is about to give you a verbal whoopass if you get anything historical wrong on this forum. Jaike loves history, gets off on it in fact.

I'll just cross my fingers and hope that she accepts my answer, then.
I appreciate her dedication to vetting sources. A lot of threads on this site could use more of that. [COUGH]Politics General[/COUGH]

 

[Icarus Media]

I'll just cross my fingers and hope that she accepts my answer, then.
I appreciate her dedication to vetting sources. A lot of threads on this site could use more of that. [COUGH]Politics General[/COUGH]

I think she studied History in an official capacity if I recall correctly, regardless we do her a disservice in speaking of her when she is not present, she'll tag us soon enough.

 

[Jaike]

I'm not a historian, but I did do some digging. There don't seem to be any contemporary records of the Rauðr episode (but there aren't many records from that time anyway). It's only attested in the late saga tradition (Oddr Snorrason, c. 1190, and Snorri Sturlason, c. 1230) as far as I could find, but Oddr drew on earlier materials and hagiography (mostly from the 11th century), and those sources are all consistent in depicting Olaf's coercive measures as... pretty extreme (something they praised him for, btw). So the exact "snake through the mouth" detail may be a folkloric motif, but the broader picture (Olaf using brutal force to Christianize Norway) is definitely historically plausible.

Thanks for the reasonable response. Most of your points are right, but I'm more skeptical bout Raud's execution.

First, there seems to be a confusion there, Odd didn't mention Raud.

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I'll avoid the complex genre debate about the sagas, but they often have historically unreliable episodes or elements, and some don't seem reliable at all. Since as far as we can tell Raud got attached to the snake story later and we have no way to tell if there was a source for that and what it said, and Odd may've relied on an oral source in the first place, this episode doesn't seem reliable if you consider the time gaps: a bit under 200 years for Odd, a bit over for Heimskringla.

Your mention of hagiography is appropriate because Odd was a monk who used hagiographic sources in other parts, but hagiographic vitae very often invent both weird gruesome deaths and passages where saints bonk pagans in cruel and weird ways. Or if an oral source was involved, it could as well have been a story that played up the tyranny of a king of Norway, though that doesn't really line up with the tendencies in Heimskringla and Odd. The version with Raud does match Heimkringla's tendency to make Olaf into a skilled but ruthless ruler and its admiration for both the Norse pagan past and for Olaf as a "missionary", so an edit by the author isn't implausible either.

The execution is fantastical too, good luck getting 1 of the small kinds of snake that live in Norway to gnaw through a side or chomp out a heart. It's the kind of thing that's often made up in late hagiographies and folktales.

I don't know if a Raud like in Heimskringla existed or not, or was executed by Olaf Tryggvason or not, but I won't claim he did or was on this evidence. And I think it's pretty certain the snake element in the different versions is a later invention.

The view that Snorri wrote Heimskringla is traditional by the way, but not really certain.

And it's shame that made you wish for the death of all nuns and faggot apologists?

Gods, you really need to seek for IRL help, even the worse troll would be more coherent than you...

What he probably needs is that mom or dad cuts off his internet, so he stops trolling.

 

[agelastos]

Thanks for the reasonable response. Most of your points are right, but I'm more skeptical bout Raud's execution.

First, there seems to be a confusion there, Odd didn't mention Raud.

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I'll avoid the complex genre debate about the sagas, but they often have historically unreliable episodes or elements, and some don't seem reliable at all. Since as far as we can tell Raud got attached to the snake story later and we have no way to tell if there was a source for that and what it said, and Odd may've relied on an oral source in the first place, this episode doesn't seem reliable if you consider the time gaps: a bit under 200 years for Odd, a bit over for Heimskringla.

Your mention of hagiography is appropriate because Odd was a monk who used hagiographic sources in other parts, but hagiographic vitae very often invent both weird gruesome deaths and passages where saints bonk pagans in cruel and weird ways. Or if an oral source was involved, it could as well have been a story that played up the tyranny of a king of Norway, though that doesn't really line up with the tendencies in Heimskringla and Odd. The version with Raud does match Heimkringla's tendency to make Olaf into a skilled but ruthless ruler and its admiration for both the Norse pagan past and for Olaf as a "missionary", so an edit by the author isn't implausible either.

The execution is fantastical too, good luck getting 1 of the small kinds of snake that live in Norway to gnaw through a side or chomp out a heart. It's the kind of thing that's often made up in late hagiographies and folktales.

I don't know if a Raud like in Heimskringla existed or not, or was executed by Olaf Tryggvason or not, but I won't claim he did or was on this evidence. And I think it's pretty certain the snake element in the different versions is a later invention.

The view that Snorri wrote Heimskringla is traditional by the way, but not really certain.

Thanks for the information! Very interesting!

 

[agelastos]

We have few games that use the intersection of the profane and the sacred as a backdrop for eroticism.

I can only think of Golden Mean as an example...

I have to thank you for this recommendation. The game has its issues, but it also has som real nuggets of gold. Like the part where Diana, the deeply religious mother, cures the mobster's phimosis by sucking his cock (and eating his smegma... I almost regretted turning that on, hah) in the church-themed public bathroom. What a miracle she performed. That scene reminded me of Saint Angela of Foligno drinking the water she had used to wash the decomposing limbs of a leper.

 

[Zakharova]

What a miracle she performed. That scene reminded me of Saint Angela of Foligno drinking the water she had used to wash the decomposing limbs of a leper.

when I say that the only thing that redeems Christianity is the artistic fervor of Catholicism, that's what I'm talking about.

For me, Diana should be canonized, as she deserves her own pantheon along with Saint Teresa and the aforementioned Angela of Foligno...

 

[Icarus Media]

when I say that the only thing that redeems Christianity is the artistic fervor of Catholicism, that's what I'm talking about.