Incest or No Incest

[nastyou]

(I've seen a post regarding this same thing made by another user called DDoS_V4, but I don't think he made the right questions to the users.)

Long story short, I'm developing a porn game and the plot that I'm inicially thinking about would not include incest(at least not in the traditional way since the MC lives alone). But I've seen that in some games people complain about lack of incest.

I'm not looking for the typical response "Do what you feel like doing"/"Do what it feels best". If users really do like incest that much over any other type of relationships, I might find a way to introduce it, it's been just a couple days since I started development anyways.

I personally can enjoy it too but I don't feel like it is absolutely necessary. I'd like to hear from people that think this way too.

This being said, I would like to hear primarily from people that feel like incest is almost a must-be.

Questions:
-For incest enjoyers, would you enjoy a game that doesn't have a plot that follows that kink? Would you ever consider downloading a game without that tag?

-Would you care if the incest is introduced later in the game, and not in the typical way where there's the "landlady" that has always been there for the MC?

-What roles must be in the game for it to be a good incest, or which could be missing? (For example, if there's the aunt role but not the mother role, is that a problem? the same with sister-cousin and so on).

Some acclarations:
-If incest is ever in my game it would be completely optional since that is the way the game will work.
-I pretend to earn money with this game

 

[Ying Ko]

-For incest enjoyers, would you enjoy a game that doesn't have a plot that follows that kink? Would you ever consider downloading a game without that tag?

Yes, “landlady” fan here, as long as there is a “landlady” analogue, someone who fulfils the role of a somewhat authoritative maternal lover. Also, ideally there should be some sort of taboo reason stopping them from pairing up immediately e.g. queen and servant.

-Would you care if the incest is introduced later in the game, and not in the typical way where there's the "landlady" that has always been there for the MC?

I’m not a fan of that approach, I like the love interests to be introduced at the beginning and a slow build up to commence.

-What roles must be in the game for it to be a good incest, or which could be missing? (For example, if there's the aunt role but not the mother role, is that a problem? the same with sister-cousin and so on).

To me anything but the “landlady” role in a “landylady game” would be a downgrade.

 

[jonquilnatrix]

There are plenty of successful games that don't have it, so no I'd hardly say it's an absolute necessity. Although yeah if you want the largest audience it certainly is a popular thing to include. Pretty much every time I see a poll even on places like Patreon or such it's usually about 60-70% in favor of it, 20-30% strongly opposed, and the rest take it or leave it.

If you are planning on including just make sure you understand what that can potentially mean as far as Patreon. While there are certainly games that have it that fly under the radar there, at any time the wrong person could find out or someone who disagrees with a choice you made could be a dick and report you. From there it's a crap shoot as sometimes even the landlady or "fan" patches aren't enough to save you from getting your page deleted unless you change your game... (And sometimes they are...there really is no rhyme or reason with Patreon reviews.)

So make sure you are willing to either avoid Patreon altogether or else are willing to continue exclusively using the other platforms like Subscribestar/Steam if the worst happens and your page gets suddenly nuked. Once you have taboo content if you suddenly take it out to comply with Patreon that is guaranteed to piss of a good portion of your subscribers as well and has killed an good number of promising games...

- I feel like like the largest portion of fans of the genre will take anything, but it is a fetish thing so you absolutely will have people who only want one specific thing like just mom-son, just dad-daughter, or just brother-sister. Those are the most popular 3 so if you are looking to get the largest audience stick with the classics. I've never seen anyone say they only play aunt-nephew, uncle-niece, or just cousins... They don't really seem to have the rabid fans that just want that like the others do, but something is better than nothing for the casuals. Really though there is no pleasing everyone...

- Do not include good looking/good personality family members if you don't plan on them being love interests, or you will be non-stop bugged about them.

- Whatever you do...avoid step-cest. It also violates Patreon's terms and can result in your page getting reviewed/deleted just like blood-related if someone reports you, and in the meantime it will just piss of the I-fans until someone patches it out of the script. (And even then the purists still won't be pleased and boycott your game)

- Understand if you plan to introduce it later and make clear that intention at the start on a forum like here that it gets tagged as such, unless you give an indication of exactly when later is, you will be inundated with questions about when it is happening... Some people may wait to subscribe until after that plot starts. Of course if you don't make clear your intention then not only will the pure I-fans ignore your game (and may not catch when the change happens) but those subscribers opposed may be pissed off if you suddenly add the taboo element to a game that didn't have it...

 

[Cartman-Brah]

I don't think you should add things you didn't plan just because they're popular. there are tons of games that are popular without incest content. if mc lives alone like you said and incest content can be optional, it won't be good anyway.

 

[tanstaafl]

Just so you know, if your games gets popular enough, someone, somewhere will make a patch that rewrites portions of your game to introduce incest, no matter how stupid it makes the story.

 

[nastyou]

There are plenty of successful games that don't have it, so no I'd hardly say it's an absolute necessity. Although yeah if you want the largest audience it certainly is a popular thing to include. Pretty much every time I see a poll even on places like Patreon or such it's usually about 60-70% in favor of it, 20-30% strongly opposed, and the rest take it or leave it.

If you are planning on including just make sure you understand what that can potentially mean as far as Patreon. While there are certainly games that have it that fly under the radar there, at any time the wrong person could find out or someone who disagrees with a choice you made could be a dick and report you. From there it's a crap shoot as sometimes even the landlady or "fan" patches aren't enough to save you from getting your page deleted unless you change your game... (And sometimes they are...there really is no rhyme or reason with Patreon reviews.)

So make sure you are willing to either avoid Patreon altogether or else are willing to continue exclusively using the other platforms like Subscribestar/Steam if the worst happens and your page gets suddenly nuked. Once you have taboo content if you suddenly take it out to comply with Patreon that is guaranteed to piss of a good portion of your subscribers as well and has killed an good number of promising games...

- I feel like like the largest portion of fans of the genre will take anything, but it is a fetish thing so you absolutely will have people who only want one specific thing like just mom-son, just dad-daughter, or just brother-sister. Those are the most popular 3 so if you are looking to get the largest audience stick with the classics. I've never seen anyone say they only play aunt-nephew, uncle-niece, or just cousins... They don't really seem to have the rabid fans that just want that like the others do, but something is better than nothing for the casuals. Really though there is no pleasing everyone...

- Do not include good looking/good personality family members if you don't plan on them being love interests, or you will be non-stop bugged about them.

- Whatever you do...avoid step-cest. It also violates Patreon's terms and can result in your page getting reviewed/deleted just like blood-related if someone reports you, and in the meantime it will just piss of the I-fans until someone patches it out of the script. (And even then the purists still won't be pleased and boycott your game)

- Understand if you plan to introduce it later and make clear that intention at the start on a forum like here that it gets tagged as such, unless you give an indication of exactly when later is, you will be inundated with questions about when it is happening... Some people may wait to subscribe until after that plot starts. Of course if you don't make clear your intention then not only will the pure I-fans ignore your game (and may not catch when the change happens) but those subscribers opposed may be pissed off if you suddenly add the taboo element to a game that didn't have it...

Thank you, this information is very useful. What other kind of content does usually make people report the patreon page or are against their terms? I guess loli and rape should be a bit obvious but maybe I'm wrong.

What about summertime saga? It's like the biggest one there and it has step incest.

I think that allowing porn but not incest porn is a bit weird, although it's good to know that there are players that are strongly opposed as it means theres some people that wouldn't play it with it being included.

 

[nastyou]

Yes, “landlady” fan here, as long as there is a “landlady” analogue, someone who fulfils the role of a somewhat authoritative maternal lover. Also, ideally there should be some sort of taboo reason stopping them from pairing up immediately e.g. queen and servant.

I’m not a fan of that approach, I like the love interests to be introduced at the beginning and a slow build up to commence.

To me anything but the “landlady” role in a “landylady game” would be a downgrade.

Thank you. I could imagine that without the typical landlady-MC plot it wouldn't be of much interest, just to know, would you play a porn game without it? Do you skip over all the other content if there is incest and non-incest?

 

[nastyou]

Just so you know, if your games gets popular enough, someone, somewhere will make a patch that rewrites portions of your game to introduce incest, no matter how stupid it makes the story.

That's good to know. Thank you

 

[Ass prefer]

Just so you know, if your games gets popular enough, someone, somewhere will make a patch that rewrites portions of your game to introduce incest, no matter how stupid it makes the story.

The illusion of choice

 

[woody554]

mostly the suggestion of adding incest comes from the game clearly having characters that call for it. so if you write a young male mc, an older woman he gets close to, people will connect the dots and wonder if incest was meant to begin with. 9/10 they're correct.

ultimately it's your choice and the rest doesn't matter. I'd advice against adding things you don't really want there, doesn't matter how many people want them.

 

[Ying Ko]

Thank you. I could imagine that without the typical landlady-MC plot it wouldn't be of much interest, just to know, would you play a porn game without it? Do you skip over all the other content if there is incest and non-incest?

Yes, “landlady” fan here, as long as there is a “landlady” analogue, someone who fulfils the role of a somewhat authoritative maternal lover. Also, ideally there should be some sort of taboo reason stopping them from pairing up immediately e.g. queen and servant.

I wasn't implying non-'cest here, so yes I would play if I found the characters, the relationship progression and the scenario appealing.

 

[Ass prefer]

but, in general, INCEST MUST BE!

 

[nastyou]

mostly the suggestion of adding incest comes from the game clearly having characters that call for it. so if you write a young male mc, an older woman he gets close to, people will connect the dots and wonder if incest was meant to begin with. 9/10 they're correct.

ultimately it's your choice and the rest doesn't matter. I'd advice against adding things you don't really want there, doesn't matter how many people want them.

I tought about that too, I guess most developers avoid incest forcefully and that pisses off the players for having an unrealistic plot

 

[nastyou]

but, in general, INCEST MUST BE!

So if there's a game with incest and non-incest plots, do you just skip all over the other content?
You said in general, that means there can be exceptions, what do you think they would be?

 

[Ass prefer]

So if there's a game with incest and non-incest plots, do you just skip all over the other content?
You said in general, that means there can be exceptions, what do you think they would be?

No, there are no exceptions.

 

[woody554]

I tought about that too, I guess most developers avoid incest forcefully and that pisses off the players for having an unrealistic plot

one of those things that if you go looking for IRL consensual adult incest stories, they're shockingly close to all the game cliches. shower peeping, sisters leaving doors open for bothers to see, pretending to sleep, moms giving hands on sex-ed for their boys. estranged or adopted sons looking up their biological moms, aunts or sisters and ending up in relationship with them etc.

but even if people don't generally know that, and they don't, all those most cliche incest house stories are BY FAR the most popular scenarios. where as 'original stories' in this and all other genres rarely gather more than a few hundred fans. they're not that liked regardless of a handful of people very loudly calling for them. the demand doesn't seem to be there in reality.


but still, I don't think either of those things should play any role in deciding what kind of a game you create. doing things you like is nearly doomed because the work is just too much. doing things you don't like is 100x more exhausting and the aborted result will show no passion whatsoever. at least fail at what you love.