Incest x Patreon

[LeeToo]

Guys, I've been searching about the possibilities of making a game with Incest content and at same time having a Patreon page, the problem here is that Patreon doesn't allow Incest, so the Devs have to create a Incest Patch to change dialogs, but I want to talk about different ways to work with Incest game and Patreon.

1. I want to talk about the game "V.I.R.T.U.E.S". The MC has a fiancée, she has a sister and a mother, the game "doesn't" have Incest, I used the air quotes here because the MC isn't related to any of them, but the mom and sisters touches and licks each other. How the Patreon looks at it?


2. There's a game called "Now and Then". The MC adopts a girl and raises her, the question here is: Doesn't Patreon consider adoption as Incest?


3. The game "My New Memories" has Incest as well, but if I remember correctly, the Dev doesn't puts links to download the game, he only says where you can download it. So, if I create a game that has Incest I can still create a Patreon Page that talks about the game, I only have to not share links to download the game so I'll not get a ban?

3.1 I read somewhere at this site that the Dev from DMD got banned, created a website, shared his website with links to download the game and the Patreon banned him again, so he created a new game (Melody) to "justify" he donations. Could it be something similar to the "My New Memories"? Of course the Dev from MNM doesn't get banned but I'm talking about that he has another game and shares the link to download it on Patreon (ofc without the IC Patch). The question here is: I would need to have something to "justify" the donations if I don't share the links to download the game?

 

[Hagatagar]

There are some games involving incest, where Patreon is simply unaware of its full content (maybe the game is too small or the incest is hidden), so they can get away with it. Until some jackass reports it to Patreon and they look deeper into that game.

You can be that lucky, but there is no such thing as luck, it's merely positive randomness.

Basically you can look at it this way, Patreon will label anything as incest if it involves people living in the same family unit, no matter if blood-related, adopted or step-something, espacially if they call each other mother or brother. This may even apply to in-laws.

The question here is: I would need to have something to "justify" the donations if I don't share the links to download the game?

The original concept of Patreon is to support people in their projects, it is not really meant to be a sales platform. You can see how many people here on F95 are pirating the games, but still supporting the devs on Patreon.

 

[Thedkm]

1. I want to talk about the game "V.I.R.T.U.E.S". The MC has a fiancée, she has a sister and a mother, the game "doesn't" have Incest, I used the air quotes here because the MC isn't related to any of them, but the mom and sisters touches and licks each other. How the Patreon looks at it?

I thought about it when I saw the threesome between MC, mom and aunt in The Visit from stiglet don't know how the game is without patch, but probably the aunt and mom still refers to each other as sisters, so I don't really know how the Patreon works

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stiglet, if you read this I not trying to "attack" or anything similar, just curious how you made it work.

 

[Machinist]

Sometimes I get a feeling that we have a thread like this almost everyday

 

[Adabelitoo]

1 - It counts as incest.
2 - It counts as incest.
3 - That isn't allowed.
3.1 - That (technically) isn't alowed.

There are some games, some big names included, doing incest without any patch or secret code. Incest is definitely not allowed and having a second game in your patreon page isn't allowed either. There were some artists doing "normal" things on Patreon but doing things like incest, bestiality or others forbidden things outside of Patreon and they got banned even if those others things never were on Patreon in the first place. Some devs said they made an agreement with Patreon to keep their pages with a second game to cover their earnings. You can do pretty much whatever you want as long as you are lucky, because there are some games named "I fuck my mom every night" without getting banned and there are others games that got banned because a guy from Patreon went as far as checking the comments of the game here in F95. It's all luck

Sometimes I get a feeling that we have a thread like this almost everyday

It isn't worse than the anti-NTR squad or the anti-MTL gang.

 

[anne O'nymous]

3.1 I read somewhere at this site that the Dev from DMD got banned, created a website, shared his website with links to download the game and the Patreon banned him again, so he created a new game (Melody) to "justify" he donations.

He didn't created a new game, he was forced by Patreon to create a new game, it's not the same. He even had to submit them the script for approbation. There's a copy of the e-mail they send him that should still be available on one of the threads from this period.
Be noted that at this time Mr.Dots was one of the five most successful adult content creator on Patreon. It's surely the reason why they proposed him this compromise, and I really doubt that it would works with anyone else.

The question here is: I would need to have something to "justify" the donations if I don't share the links to download the game?

You can not use Patreon to fund a game with content they banned, period.
As long as you've a Patreon page and you're making a game with banned content, you're doing something they don't permit. And, as Adabelitoo implied, this include an incest patch that would be seen as your creation but only available here or anywhere else.

 

[Winterfire]

The devs of the games you have mentioned are probably fleeing to Mexico as we speak, good job.
We need a plan to scare off NTR devs now... LeeToo, I am relying on you. I know you will never disappoint me.

 

[LeeToo]

The devs of the games you have mentioned are probably fleeing to Mexico as we speak, good job.
We need a plan to scare off NTR devs now... LeeToo, I am relying on you. I know you will never disappoint me.

Every community has problems between members so I not even going to complain harshly about that, but I don't know why you're being "sarcastic" about the things I've said. I had no intention of offending the Devs I mentioned, I wanted to know HOW they made a Incest story works with Patreon Policy without having a Incest patch that modifies the dialogs or the story.

He didn't created a new game, he was forced by Patreon to create a new game, it's not the same. He even had to submit them the script for approbation. There's a copy of the e-mail they send him that should still be available on one of the threads from this period.
Be noted that at this time Mr.Dots was one of the five most successful adult content creator on Patreon. It's surely the reason why they proposed him this compromise, and I really doubt that it would works with anyone else.




You can not use Patreon to fund a game with content they banned, period.
As long as you've a Patreon page and you're making a game with banned content, you're doing something they don't permit. And, as Adabelitoo implied, this include an incest patch that would be seen as your creation but only available here or anywhere else.

I've made a research about this and there's two(or more) ways to work with Incest without getting in conflict with Patreon. The first way would be making a Incest Patch (Don't know exactly how to make one, I thought about writing the script two times, one with incest and one without one and put the script with Incest as a Addon ("not made by myself"), seems like the Renpy reads the files by alphabetic order, so if I name this script as something like "zzzzzpatch" this would overwrite the "original" one.

I said about making two scripts because there's people saying that Patreon could check the script file and if they saw in the Variables something like: Incestpatch = True / Incestpatch = false it could result in a problem.

But at the same time there's people saying that they don't look, but I think it's better be safe than sorry.

The second way would be letting the players choose the relationships between the characters, but I think this can be frustrating if the player has to name every single relationship.

Regarding something that Adabelitoo said, the best way would be making the family members not related to the MC (obviously) but not even family members between each other as well, because it would limit the actions between them.

Example with the most common variable: A mom and her daughter couldn't be in sexual relationship with each other, but they could still be in a relationship with the MC If he is a Tenant/Roommate. If you would like to make them be able to have actions between each other, the Daughter couldn't be a family member of "Mom", she would need to be called Tenant and would call "mom" by "Landlady".

I am right?

 

[anne O'nymous]

The first way would be making a Incest Patch (Don't know exactly how to make one, [...]

There's threads that explain how to do this, like that one by example.

I said about making two scripts because there's people saying that Patreon could check the script file and if they saw in the Variables something like: Incestpatch = True / Incestpatch = false it could result in a problem.

But at the same time there's people saying that they don't look, but I think it's better be safe than sorry.

Most of the time, Patreon while generally investigate on your game after someone reported it. And I assume that the reports generally include the steps used to trigger the banned content. If someone tell them, "you download the game, and without installing anything else, you just have to do 'this' to have an incest game", there's no need to look further ; they try, they see that the banned content is effectively directly in the game, and they ban you.
It's different for a patch, because it's a fan made one. They all are fan made, really, fans read your mind and achieve to release the patch in the same time than the game, they are truly amazing
On a side note, like I said, if there's something that let think that you are the author of the patch, then if fallback to "you're funding a game with banned content".

The second way would be letting the players choose the relationships between the characters, but I think this can be frustrating if the player has to name every single relationship.

It's not frustrating, it's plain stupid.
It's been a long time since I said it, so I'll say it again: You do not switch from "none incest" to "incest" by changing a relationship.

The motives, both to desire the other and to resist to the temptation, aren't at all the same in a none incest story and an incest one. And the same apply for the relation between the characters :

Why a collegian would know his landlady and roommates since birth ?
Why a landlady would care this much if one of her tenant is wasting his time/life ?
Why isn't there a single landlady that ask for the rent ?
Why a landlady would worry that one of her tenant don't works, for another reason than his lack of money to play the rent ?
Why a tenant should have the obligation to do the chore in the house (outside of his own room), except possibly for a lower rent ?
Why none of the roommates have a family on their own ?
Why a landlady would find so immoral than a young and handsome tenant lust for her ?
Why a 20ish horny female roommate would feel offended that her 20ish male roommate would want to fuck her ?
And so on, it's everything that is different and should then be wrote differently depending of the version of the game.

Just changing the relationship and expecting that the story will works both way is as stupid as painting your car in red and believing that it will go as fast as a Ferrari.
Of course, many games do it, and some have success. But it doesn't mean that they are doing right, and anyone who don't want to use the incest patch is facing a story that mean nothing.

Regarding something that Adabelitoo said, the best way would be making the family members not related to the MC (obviously) but not even family members between each other as well, because it would limit the actions between them.

It goes further than "not related to". Patreon define incest as a "family-like" relationship. As long as the MC see the other character like is family or a second family, it will be incest. The only possible variation being the time of the relation:
MC's parents have to go oversea for works, they left him in charge of a good friend of them. If it happened years ago, it will be seen as incest ; since years it's where he fill at home and the friend is a substitution mother for him. It it happen when the game start, it will not be seen as incest.
The same obviously apply for foster parents, who are stranger is the situation starts with the game, or family-like members if it's been years that the MC live with them.

Example with the most common variable: A mom and her daughter couldn't be in sexual relationship with each other, but they could still be in a relationship with the MC If he is a Tenant/Roommate.

Exactly.
But, and I don't say that to encourage you on this way, so far I don't know a single game that had problems because to this "secondary level incest". It don't mean that Patreon permit it, they would ban the game without hesitation, just that apparently people don't report those games ; perhaps that they don't really notice the relationship between those secondary characters.

 

[LeeToo]

Why a collegian would know his landlady and roommates since birth ?
Why a landlady would care this much if one of her tenant is wasting his time/life ?
Why isn't there a single landlady that ask for the rent ?
Why a landlady would worry that one of her tenant don't works, for another reason than his lack of money to play the rent ?
Why a tenant should have the obligation to do the chore in the house (outside of his own room), except possibly for a lower rent ?
Why none of the roommates have a family on their own ?
Why a landlady would find so immoral than a young and handsome tenant lust for her ?
Why a 20ish horny female roommate would feel offended that her 20ish male roommate would want to fuck her ?
And so on, it's everything that is different and should then be wrote differently depending of the version of the game.

Just changing the relationship and expecting that the story will works both way is as stupid as painting your car in red and believing that it will go as fast as a Ferrari.

Perfectly said. I've thought about as well, a lot of games just put "Landlady" and the dialogs are always the same like: "We are Landlady and Tenant, you shouldn't be attracted by me."
Of course they do it because the story is not about a Landlady and her Tenant, so if you're playing without the patch you're playing it "wrongly". It's ok to point at the relationship as a Incestous one, but if the player is playing without the patch, I think it would be better if the dialogs were different, even if just a little bit, because it's awful to see: "Good morning, Tenant!", even more awful to see the "Landlady" saying: "I can't believe my Tenant (daughter) is having sex with her Big Roommate".

There's threads that explain how to do this, like that one by example.




Most of the time, Patreon while generally investigate on your game after someone reported it. And I assume that the reports generally include the steps used to trigger the banned content. If someone tell them, "you download the game, and without installing anything else, you just have to do 'this' to have an incest game", there's no need to look further ; they try, they see that the banned content is effectively directly in the game, and they ban you.
It's different for a patch, because it's a fan made one. They all are fan made, really, fans read your mind and achieve to release the patch in the same time than the game, they are truly amazing

Thanks for the link and for confirming that is really better to not have incest line codes. At first I thought that the easier way would be having a "Code box", so the player would just have to put a specific code to activate it, but as you said it looks like a bad decision, because someone could just report it saying: "Hey Patreon, you just need to launch the game and put Blablabla in the code box".

 

[Obscure]

Just make the Subscribestar account and make the game about massaging your mum's butt that you always dreamed of.

Don't make it complicated.

 

[Fatalmasterpiece]

Just make the Subscribestar account and make the game about massaging your mum's butt that you always dreamed of.

Don't make it complicated.

I think the issue that people are concerned about is Subscribestar gets less traffic = less income than Patreon. At least that seems to be the perception.

 

[Obscure]

I think the issue that people are concerned about is Subscribestar gets less traffic = less income than Patreon. At least that seems to be the perception.

That is a real problem. But not as big a problem as becoming reliant on money from someone who thinks they have content oversight.

 

[おい！]

Sometimes I get a feeling that we have a thread like this almost everyday

I think you are getting confused with all the NTR threads.

 

[おい！]

That is a real problem. But not as big a problem as becoming reliant on money from someone who thinks they have content oversight.

Well you will never get that problem from me. I have better things to spend my money on.