VN Internal conflict as potential new usefull tag.

[ciaqoo]

Hi guys.
I recently played some games and noticed a kind of regular pattern. I'm interested particulary in games with internal conficts in the story. I checked tags and i see there is no such tag. This tag would be related to blackmail or corruption but cannot be substitiuted effectively by such tags cos backmail dont have to be involved with internal conflict if it is refused or fully accepted by game character.
So I would ask you guys if it is realy rare fetish or more players is interested in this type of content as i described shortly above ?

 

[Thicc Lord]

I think this is too niche of a tag to be added. We have many tags and the new site update is going to introduce a lot more.
https://f95zone.to/sam/planned_tags-v2.html

 

[ciaqoo]

I cant agree it would be too niche tag cos I played a lot of games for which this tag would fit well.
Let me mention some of them. Special Request,TPoNR, A couple Duet ( in some paths), AWAM, UoP, CaseysFall, etc.
I'm sure the complete list would be way way longer than that. So definitely it is not rare niche theme in porn games.

The other question is if it is really wanted and searched theme for players. So I hope we can do the poll in this thread. I like this kink or it's not my kink.

 

[hysepReC]

I think the corruption tag already covers this... especially when it's combined with blackmail, rape, cheating or netorare tags.

 

[ciaqoo]

I think the corruption tag already covers this... especially when it's combined with blackmail, rape, cheating or netorare tags.

Let me explain why I cant agree. Corruption dont need to be coupled with internal conflict. For me corruption means changes is MC or LI behaviour and changes in thinking as well.
Internal conflict is in quite different case. When MC or LI is not prone for corruption but still they have do make hard decisions for them. It has not a lot with rape and even with cheating as long as cheating is voluntarily proceed.
The same objections are valid for netorare as well.
Internal conflict is quite precise term. Bolding MC or LI conflict theme.

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All the tags you mentioed can be realised quite conflictless internally at least.
Well described/realised internal conflict can make porn game more realistic - quite different than a lot of cartoons.

 

[anne O'nymous]

This tag would be related to blackmail or corruption but cannot be substitiuted effectively by such tags cos backmail dont have to be involved with internal conflict if it is refused or fully accepted by game character.

The fact that it's refused or fully accepted doesn't mean that there were no internal conflict.


The issue with this tag is that it's way too generic and would apply to a really to vast percentage of games. Like tags apply the instant the content it qualify exist, even if it's in a secondary route or, like some game, if it need an optional patch, the simple fact that there's one scene showing a character insure about what (s)he should do would qualify the game for that tag.

Incest -> Even the MC is sometimes conflicted about his own desire.
NTR -> The "target" often pass by a phase of conflicted thoughts.
Corruption (including all the tags associated to it) -> If it's not a cheap writing or a really slow process, there's often a phase of conflicted thoughts for the characters that are corrupted.
MaleDom/FemDom -> Without need for them to be corrupted, the subs aren't always compliant right from the starts, passing by a lot of internal conflict before they finally submit.
Perfectly Vanilla game -> The story can imply an internal conflict if a character's interest do not fully converge with MC's one, and the MC can perfectly be the one having it.

 

[ciaqoo]

The fact that it's refused or fully accepted doesn't mean that there were no internal conflict.


The issue with this tag is that it's way too generic and would apply to a really to vast percentage of games. Like tags apply the instant the content it qualify exist, even if it's in a secondary route or, like some game, if it need an optional patch, the simple fact that there's one scene showing a character insure about what (s)he should do would qualify the game for that tag.

Incest -> Even the MC is sometimes conflicted about his own desire.
NTR -> The "target" often pass by a phase of conflicted thoughts.
Corruption (including all the tags associated to it) -> If it's not a cheap writing or a really slow process, there's often a phase of conflicted thoughts for the characters that are corrupted.
MaleDom/FemDom -> Without need for them to be corrupted, the subs aren't always compliant right from the starts, passing by a lot of internal conflict before they finally submit.
Perfectly Vanilla game -> The story can imply an internal conflict if a character's interest do not fully converge with MC's one, and the MC can perfectly be the one having it.

OK you have some points here I have to admit. But let me clear - by internal conflict i mean persistent internal conflict.
To avoid too long tag i reduced it just to internal conflict. So it would be dev choice if he/she going to develop this theme as persistent in game in one path at least or it is just temporary or accidental conflicted thoughts scene.
BTW this thread is for wider discussion than just for new tag. It is also for signalling if players looking for such theme in porn games or it is just niche kink. IMHO it is highly desired content - but it is just my personal biased opinion.

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BTW 2 It would be nice function if we could compute average stars number for given tag. I bet games tagged by internal conflict would have higher average score stars than average for most other tags.
I mean in right tagged games when conflict is really persistent in one path at least.

 

[Goeffel]

first naturally upcoming question to me is: how does vndb with its bazillion tags handle this? Is there one or more tags that cover this?
If there is then one could use their usually useful tag descriptions as base for discussion. If there isn't then it probably has been found useless or superfluous or sth.
(I don't know such tag, but I am not much savy in vndb/ tags)

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From how I understood OP, this is about a story/-telling tag?

Then: does not every game with meaningful choices have that? I mean choices that do not just decide pursue this girl or that girl, but choices that touch into "moral" grounds.

 

[DumpTruckLover]

I don't think tags should be added for such specific things.

 

[ciaqoo]

From how I understood OP, this is about a story/-telling tag?

Then: does not every game with meaningful choices have that? I mean choices that do not just decide pursue this girl or that girl, but choices that touch into "moral" grounds.

No this is not about story telling. Story-telling is way way more general. It is for very specific story with persistent internal conflict in one of its paths at least. If the story has only one path so in such case whole story will be revolved around this internal conflict but it not must be the case in way more developed multipath stories.
It would be marker of very specific content but not uncommonom in porn games. So without this prcise tag we can still trying to search this type of content by others tags but instead of precise output we will get much more games which are boring even if they are made with high quality content.

Let me explain a bit further. Now we have tags like multipath or blackmail. So if game is tagged as multipath it is higher probability than average to get story with internal conflict in one of its paths - but even multipath porn game can be done without persistent internal conflict. The sae explantion is valid for blackmail tag as well. In some blackmail case we can see pesistent internal conflict but in other cases of blackail internal conflict is absent. It depend of developer what kind of story is developed.