When I play majority of western games I always wonder why all the women look and act like sex workers. I can understand that if the game is SFW, but sex sells, so developers want to include some bikini armor or innuendos and such. But when the game already has explicit sex scenes, what's the point? It's fiction, so I want to see women that are hard to get to or downright don't exist in real life, not some hookers you can see in any strip bar or night club. Yet I see them again and again, do people really like that porn parody vibes or what? I don't get it. For me, the less woman looks like she wants sex, the more desirable she is.
Eastern stuff usually doesn't have that problem, wish they were less obsessed with schoolgirls though
Honestly, the answer is pretty deep. But the
over-generalized answer is "The patriarchy hurts everyone." or "Religion."
I want to preface this by saying I'm Asian (Taiwanese if you want to get specific), grew up with anime before my family moved to the US when I was young and spent most of my childhood and young adult life reading scripts and model sheets for cartoons for fun.
So, let's break this down a bit.
so I want to see women that are hard to get to or downright don't exist in real life,
So this is a common problem in art in general. When you learn to draw the human figure, you learn to draw one type and expand. The figure you learn to draw is usually what people consider "the average" or "the standard". Like the book I learned from is Andrew Loomis' figure drawing book. And that's not to say I'm that old, this book was old even to the person that introduced me to it. But it is one of the best books, to this day, to learn to draw the human anatomy from. The problem with that is that standard becomes the standard. The default. So when you have no care or it doesn't matter, you fall back on that figure. Which tends to make a habit of all characters you draw look alike since they are all based off of the standard. It's hard to overcome. This is also why most of Final Fantasy female protagonists, male protagonist in Takahashi Rumiko's works, Studio Ghibli, etc. etc. all have a similar look. Artists have a style and a standard.
"But I'm not talking about one artist. I'm talking about western society."
I hear you say. This is where the religion and patriarchy comes in. Although both western and eastern society has been/is patriarchal, the west has been more complete about it. Enshrining it into law, seeping it into things like income and occupation and lifestyle to and mobility the point of threatening someone's very life. Even in ancient China, it was seen as unusual, but it wasn't systematically burned from society like women's right to vote in the US. For people in the US that don't know what I'm talking about, here's a wikipedia quote for woman suffrage for the US:
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constitution of 1776 enfranchised all adult inhabitants who owned a specified amount of property. Laws enacted in 1790 and 1797 referred to voters as "he or she", and women regularly voted. A law passed in 1807, however, excluded women from voting in that state by moving towards
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To those people that are gearing up to say "China was just as bad!" I'm not here to debate the degrees but it is empirically and historically recorded that, although women's roles in Chinese history has gone up and down, you can't find examples, in US and a lot of western society, of matriarchal families, matriarchal marriages (man marrying into the woman's family), the woman handling and owning the family's estate, women being allowed to travel (and adventure) alone, being able to learn martial arts and walking around carrying swords, etc. etc. and these things being common. Sometimes these small differences make all the difference.
Getting back to the topic at hand. Having a systematic, social (Western society's laws are large influenced by western religious ideals) and legal backing (Think England, in reference the pope and King Henry) of women's roles and societal standards, it homogenizes the appearance of women. Women that don't fall within the standards are shunned and, often are not recorded in art or literature, or are often pushed to the edges of society. This circles back to "the standard" I was talking about for artists. Even I, an Asian person, was trained on "the standard" which is a western standard, despite the fact that China has a quarter of the world's population. This is backed up in modernity by "magazines" and/or other publications dictating what beauty is in women. There was a good
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a while back about beauty standards through the ages. If you look at the roaring twenties (1920's), the golden age of Hollywood (1930's to 1950's), the sixties, the eighties, the nineties to "modern" beauty standards, you'll see what passes as beautiful has changed a lot. But the art and media of the time all tend to adhere to that "standard". And, again, the standards are often systemically enforced by a myriad of things, most of which is backed by patriarchy and/or religion.
Like, when you hear people of different color and races and genders talking about wanting representation, this is part of what they're talking about. Having representation in media is one of the ways to overcome/subvert/change the systematic enforcement of "the standard". There is what the individual finds beautiful and there's what a society bent on enforcing a specific standard considered beautiful. If one (as in, general society) is exposed to enough variety, they will be less willing to insist on one standard and/or be more open to explore different things. And history has shown that those are militant about keeping one standards of looks and appearance often has a vested interest in said standard. And it almost always is rooted in racism and/or sexism. Am I talking about the US? Yes. But also China. Particularly the Qing dynasty and the
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as it was way for the ruling class to suppress the Han and Han culture. I'm sure there are other examples as well in other countries as well, but that's the most prominent one in my mind.
I'm sure most of you have heard and probably rolled your eyes (as I, myself, have) when artists say "Everything is beautiful!". But there is a grain of truth there. When you have done/learn enough art, you begin to see that beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder in that beauty is subjective and subject to change quite frequently. And to see beauty in things beyond the standards you've grown up in, you need to, as a lot of artists have said (although I wouldn't put it this way), destroy your preconceived idea of what beauty is (informed by "the standard" you grew up with). An example/one way of doing this is this
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where the art teacher is talking about setting up a trap to lure people in (as in, make/draw/paint something that, at first glance, looks to be what their ideals are) and then destroying their ideals(by subverting it with something they didn't expect or didn't want to acknowledge). What I've personally learned through art is that (virtually) every woman is beautiful and sexy in one way or another. Does that mean I don't have a type? No. Does it mean I'm personally required to think every woman is beautiful or sexy? No. But to deny there isn't a beauty there is to not only deny my fellow man that like such features, but to potentially deny my past or future self that may one day find something to be beautiful or sexy (because, as discussed earlier, standards change). And to force one single standard or my standard of beauty is to not only oppress woman, but to oppress my fellow men as well. You like over sized boobs and ass? Not my thing, but you do you. Like the bimbo look? Again, not my thing, but have fun with it. Like buff mommies? I actually do find that appealing, though not my main appeal, but yeah, have fun. Again, history has shown that any enforcement of one standard of appearance/look has been bad. Not just to the people that doesn't fit the standard, but even to those that just want some diversity in their lives.
*Phew* that was a lot. Let's get back into breaking things down. It should be easier now that all that is out of the way.
It's fiction, so I want to see women that are hard to get to or downright don't exist in real life, not some hookers you can see in any strip bar or night club. Yet I see them again and again, do people really like that porn parody vibes or what?
Some yes, some no. But it's what men are suppose to like according to their society's standards. And if you're trying to appeal to "the mass audience" to be financially successful as an adult artist or game maker, etc. you go for what's commonly accepted. Of course, if the adult industry is less scrutinized, that would allow artists/game makers/etc. more wiggle room to try different body types and plots and situations.
For me, the less woman looks like she wants sex, the more desirable she is.
I actually find that appealing too. But I also find the extreme opposite appealing. But this ties into what is sexy. And sometimes, not being sexy or not fitting the traditional ideas of what sexy is, is, in itself, sexy. Which ties into things like nuns or androgynous people or denial play or asexual people or emotionless sex (this actually was a standard in Japanese porn in the... I want to say 80's and 90's? Not sure the exact period as I wasn't old enough for porn back then) or femdoms or *gasp* transgendered people.
Eastern stuff usually doesn't have that problem, wish they were less obsessed with schoolgirls though
As someone that knows Japanese, Japanese porn has a lot less school girls than western people think it does. Especially in comparison to the amount of cheerleader/just turned 18/my [step]daughter/etc. porn there is in the US. From my experience, it's just what gets the prominence and *sigh* gets translated and/or brought over to the English side the most. Like, when I could buy porn (we get a lot of Japanese porn here in Taiwan), there was a lot, and I mean A LOT of housewife and OL (office lady) porn.
All in all, I'm glad you're asking these questions. I personally think porn is an aspect of literature and art that's under explored as a legitimate genre. (As in, there's not a legitimate study of it as a discipline like one would have with jazz or film making. Not that people haven't explored porn because... boy have we.) I highly suggest going on to some sites that showcase a lot of independent artists. Like, there's an artist named Squarepeg3d that always does buff mommies (often futa) with a good amount of ball busting and ryona. I'm not big on the ryona and ball busting, but the characters always seem fun and engaging. There's, of course, the furry/transformation community that has a lot of non-human characters. And I don't just mean animals. I mean like aliens or dragons and stuff. I can't make any recommendations there as it's not my thing. There's one that I'm currently following called Xenomorphosis: Dark Dreams by Vitalis. It's alien based but I don't know if that's different enough for what you're looking for. Then there's the expansion crowd. Whether weight gain or just growing large. Sorry. Another one that I can't make a recommendation as it's not my thing. In my opinion InCase also does a good job in non-traditional body types. In particular, the comic of "Alfie". But he?she? I actually don't know that artist's gender, does lean towards lean/thing/androgynous characters so that may not be what you're looking for.
I don't know what flavor of "the less woman looks like she wants sex" you're into (I know that sounds like a silly question, but trust me when I say there are different flavors just within that description), but I would recommend denial play or neglect play, maybe some femdom, maybe some emotionless sex or time freeze stuff.
Beyond that, for western stuff, you're really gonna have to look into indie artists for what you're looking for. e-hentai might be a good place to start. I hope you're able to find what you're looking for.
Anyways, I hope you find all this informative and maybe gave you some avenues to find what you're looking for.
