Is just me or smells like a honeypot/trap?

[9thCrux]

I don't really know what to think about it but checking out SubscribeStar adult site I came across some controversial sexual content:
-3D lolis. (not 100% life-like but close enough)
-2D lolis (hardcore sexual content, namely drawings)

Some content is being offered as part of games/visual novels not just posters or illustrations.
The thing is that SubscribeStar is an USA based company and that content is kind of dangerous or borderline illegal in the USA.

I remember some years ago there was some amendments made to the laws regulating computer generated or drawn sexual content depicting prepubescent characters;
It was made unconstitutional because violates first amendment rights, don't remember the details but it means that loli and shota content is not outright illegal, there are some conditions to be consider as such.

I know most sites regulate that kind of content, like here with the rule 7, and also I have noticed that many creator's sites are censoring loli and shota like Pixiv, Patreon, and many more.

At SubscribeStar they're using a different payment process, they're making credit cards transactions, they stopped using PayPal a while ago.
Like you know credit card transactions link your personal information to the transactions you make; full name, address, billing address, and more.

So I don't know if they're braking the mold by allowing a bit more controversial stuff to gain more exposure or subscribers, or if its some competition strategy to make the site look bad and make it get into legal troubles, or if its some honeypot/trap made to lure and identify people paying for simulated underage sex...

What do you think it is?

 

[polywog]

Slavery is legal in some parts of the world. The laws of your country don't apply everywhere.

If you know that something is illegal in your country, and you download it from the internet, it's you that breaks the law in your country, not the content provider.

 

[Oshitari Azumi]

This will no doubt be an unpopular opinion, but if it's not children and they are clearly lolis (being people who look young without actually being as young as they look), then I think that straddles a grey area. Mainly because, and speaking as an Asian guy who's been pretty much living with Asian poster and media left and right, Asian women usually look younger than they let on, and that goes even more so for Japan with their obsession towards anything kawaii. In my opinion, lolis are just an extreme version of these kinds of people who look younger than they actually are. Again, this will no doubt be an unpopular opinion since obviously these characters have child-like bodies. However, with real-life people who could technically be considered more mature lolis, I think it's mostly dependent on both the creator's tastes and whether it's something that makes people like you uncomfortable, even if you know they are older than they look.

 

[eosar]

As a general rule, other people will throw you under a bus if it means saving themselves.
Will that site or any site, including F95zone, willingly give out all your details if asked for by a power of any kind (legal, illegal, monetary)? Definitely.
Is it a scam looking to make money off of horny idiots driven away by Patreon? Possibly.
Is it a honeypot with the explicit goal of trapping pedophiles and the like? Unlikely. There's more chances of that being true for the atf site, which is kind of dedicated to it.

The site is exactly what it advertises: Patreon without the Patreon bullshit. However, it also has all the problems that Patreon tried very hard to avoid, which i won't go into because it's already been discussed to death and i... didn't really care to memorize.

So, like a cherry on top of a pile of shit, my very humble opinion is that it is not a honeypot trap, but it won't end well anyway.

 

[Glad]

It doesn't have to be a honeypot, they can just get compromised once. Personal data connected to icky projects one supported. And then a lovely letter to pay or that stuff starts popping up around yours and/or your family's and/or your employer's/university's social media accounts.

Also, if they fuck up with something once, they are going get mauled by press precisely because of all the controversial stuff.

 

[polywog]

It doesn't have to be a honeypot, they can just get compromised once. Personal data connected to icky projects one supported. And then a lovely letter to pay or that stuff starts popping up around yours and/or your family's and/or your employer's/university's social media accounts.

Also, if they fuck up with something once, they are going get mauled by press precisely because of all the controversial stuff.

When patreon got hacked all that personal data got dumped on the web. If your employer / university / family wants to see it, they can google.

 

[9thCrux]

Slavery is legal in some parts of the world. The laws of your country don't apply everywhere.

If you know that something is illegal in your country, and you download it from the internet, it's you that breaks the law in your country, not the content provider.

No, you're wrong.
If they advertise, promote, and get money from illegal content then the company who makes it available is as guilty as the people making it and buying it. They would be providing and facilitating.

They can be charged with distribution of illegal content, if they have promo images in their servers they can be charged with possession of illegal content, the governing law for the site is the USA, not Japan or some other "loli friendly" place.

I guess what you're saying would be the case for British people; as far as know any drawn or computer generated prepubescent porn is illegal there.

In this case it comes down to the legal jurisdiction in which the company is based, and if that content is safe under the current laws. On top of that they have to follow international laws and agreements.

 

[9thCrux]

As a general rule, other people will throw you under a bus if it means saving themselves.
Will that site or any site, including F95zone, willingly give out all your details if asked for by a power of any kind (legal, illegal, monetary)? Definitely.

You're right, being honest it makes me think twice before creating an account with SubscribeStar.
The site can become a target, along with your personal information.

I find it really odd that they're allowing that kind of content...

I remember back in the day some new T.V. channels would start showing more skin and censoring less movies to create impact or publicity, that could be the case, maybe they're trying to push the limits to make themselves look daring and more open just to start cracking down on content later on.

Most likely I will give it some time before joining their site.

 

[Adabelitoo]

I'm pretty sure that incest, bestiality and so many others aren't legal in USA and Subcribestar allows them too.

I don't think it's a trap. Could personal information be leaked somehow? Of course, it could happen any moment now but it could also happen in Patreon and any other site. Any group of hackers could hack any site for any reason and leak as much as they want.

 

[9thCrux]

I'm pretty sure that incest, bestiality and so many others aren't legal in USA and Subcribestar allows them too.

I don't think it's a trap. Could personal information be leaked somehow? Of course, it could happen any moment now but it could also happen in Patreon and any other site. Any group of hackers could hack any site for any reason and leak as much as they want.

Not the same thing, practicing incest and bestiality is illegal in the USA but making drawings or renders depicting an adult having sex with some animal is not, same goes for making drawings of adults, supposedly related by blood, having sex.

But if you depict children doing the same thing then is a completely different story, if the drawings or render resemble or represent underage people then is a big deal in the US.

Hackers may try to steal information from any site at any moment, nothing new about that, but is different when you're dealing with extremely controversial stuff, many hackers want to think of themselves as vigilantes combating and exposing "pedophiles".
Having that kind of content is like wearing a bullseye on their butt, draws vigilantes and law enforcement.

I have seen forums where people specially targeting sites like "all the fallen ninja" post about how much they hate them and want to fuck them up, they fill pages and pages with hate filled comments and insults towards the people using sites like atfn...
They just laugh at people making bestiality drawings or renders; they don't get into rage mode like they do with loli and shota.