VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

[bigdickwaterland]

And to make matters worse, I don't think this is creatively fulfilling to him anymore. I get the impression on these slow burn games that the build up is what burns out a developer. Spending all this time on foundational, non-sexy, scenes can get tedious. I think that tedium, and the complexity of the branching paths, dooms many games.

So what's stopping him from doing more sex scenes? He could perfectly include spontaneous sex in the game with a teacher who accidentally penetrated her (two actions to push him away or let her be pinned to the table and fucked) or with Parker to have sex in the heat of a drunken frenzy at the car in the alley (by the way, Mr. Parker's penis needs to be slightly reduced, otherwise it looks like he has a piece of wood) or the development of events with an office kid, like invited him home together to make an investigation plan, and She goes takes a bath and puts on a short robe and fucking began.

 

[TheUberstuff]

So what's stopping him from doing more sex scenes? He could perfectly include spontaneous sex in the game with a teacher who accidentally penetrated her (two actions to push him away or let her be pinned to the table and fucked) or with Parker to have sex in the heat of a drunken frenzy at the car in the alley (by the way, Mr. Parker's penis needs to be slightly reduced, otherwise it looks like he has a piece of wood) or the development of events with an office kid, like invited him home together to make an investigation plan, and She goes takes a bath and puts on a short robe and fucking began.

Or having the principle "accidently" push her underwear aside and fuck her? But yeah I agree, if the non-sex scenes (which is what most of us perfer I think) are what is tiring him out then make less of those and more sex scenes. I honestly like the story but I do think there is too much filler mainly because its like 80% buildup so far. Also if he craps out now because of the non-sex scenes or whatever reason we will have gone through the buildup for NOTHING or next to nothing.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

So what's stopping him from doing more sex scenes? He could perfectly include spontaneous sex in the game with a teacher who accidentally penetrated her (two actions to push him away or let her be pinned to the table and fucked) or with Parker to have sex in the heat of a drunken frenzy at the car in the alley (by the way, Mr. Parker's penis needs to be slightly reduced, otherwise it looks like he has a piece of wood) or the development of events with an office kid, like invited him home together to make an investigation plan, and She goes takes a bath and puts on a short robe and fucking began.

Or having the principle "accidently" push her underwear aside and fuck her? But yeah I agree, if the non-sex scenes (which is what most of us perfer I think) are what is tiring him out then make less of those and more sex scenes. I honestly like the story but I do think there is too much filler mainly because its like 80% buildup so far. Also if he craps out now because of the non-sex scenes or whatever reason we will have gone through the buildup for NOTHING or next to nothing.

I think there's a rigid adherence to "the plan". Something like "I have this plan for how the corruption will develop, and in order for it to work then events A, B, and C all need to happen first." These events will corrupt the MC, but they also require setup, so suddenly it becomes a lot of slow plodding to set up even just "Event A". If he jumps right into the sex it can/could break all of the immersion for a huge portion of the players, and that can kill the game. The whole point of a game like JOHN is that it isn't a cheap fuckfest and that sex has to be earned. But I think many games like JOHN have gone too far with the slow burn. At some point we're all here for fun and sex, and I think some devs have forgotten that. Instead, they're so concerned with making the story progress at their predetermined pace that they've lost the point and aren't having fun.

IMO that seems to be exactly what happened with Stoper on this update. Whatever the original plan for this update was, it must have been really boring to him. I think it may have included a lot of foundation building, just so he could do more build up later. Even the Blake event itself sounds like it isn't very interesting to him and it's probably geared more towards setting up future sex.

I think we need more games that are quick, fun, and punchy. You can have lots of sex without cheapening it. You can have fun plot that makes the characters interesting. But we need to move away from games that wait 2, 3, 4+ years before there's payoff. Not so much because we need to rush into sex, but more because games that wait that long collapse under their own expectations. Devs should allow their stories to be fun, and they should concentrate on making their game fun to produce, even if it stretches believability. If you're environments and characters are boring you then don't rigidly stick with it just because that's the plan. Allow yourself to have fun, otherwise you'll burn out.

 

[Manshino]

The whole point of a game like JOHN is that it isn't a cheap fuckfest and that sex has to be earned.

And that's the thing I like. "Hi miss, I'm the cable guy and I'm here to fix you" maybe is fun but it's not a game, it's simply pornografy, nothing more, nothing less.

P.S.
There are A LOT of sex scenes in JOHN, by the way. For a 0.45 release.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

And that's the thing I like. "Hi miss, I'm the cable guy and I'm here to fix you" maybe is fun but it's not a game, it's simply pornografy, nothing more, nothing less.

P.S.
There are A LOT of sex scenes in JOHN, by the way. For a 0.45 release.

To be clear, I was speaking broadly besides just JOHN. But you're right that JOHN is by no means the worst offender when it comes to sexual content. That said, it has still been a slow burn and I think that weighs heavily on it. Waiting 3+ years for a blowjob is asking a lot from an audience. It also requires such a slow progression that the dev themselves can become bored.

I think Stoper tried to implement some lessons from other slow burn games, but I don't think he executed those lessons correctly. This game should be well past half way after almost 4 years, but we're not even close. That means we're still in Act 1, and dealing with foundation building.

There must be a better way to balance build-up and the payoff.

 

[TheUberstuff]

And that's the thing I like. "Hi miss, I'm the cable guy and I'm here to fix you" maybe is fun but it's not a game, it's simply pornografy, nothing more, nothing less.

P.S.
There are A LOT of sex scenes in JOHN, by the way. For a 0.45 release.

I do like games with some buildup and story but the story shouldn't dominate the game SOOOOO much that the sex scenes take forever.

 

[Manshino]

There's always a better way. But here the "slow burn" it's about time between updates, not the story.

 

[Journey95]

And that's the thing I like. "Hi miss, I'm the cable guy and I'm here to fix you" maybe is fun but it's not a game, it's simply pornografy, nothing more, nothing less.

P.S.
There are A LOT of sex scenes in JOHN, by the way. For a 0.45 release.

Most of the sex scenes in this game are with her boring boyfriend..that's not interesting

 

[BlackMoon55]

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Including me. Problems?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Most of the sex scenes in this game are with her boring boyfriend..that's not interesting

Not interesting??? The man eats pancakes with his hands like he's eating a sandwich! He's definitely not boring!

 

[dolfe67]

Most of the sex scenes in this game are with her boring boyfriend..that's not interesting

There is also quite a bit of content with Heather too (her neighbor), but it's lesbian. Though lots of people want to see Parker's dick in Jess' vagina

 

[Journey95]

There is also quite a bit of content with Heather too (her neighbor), but it's lesbian. Though lots of people want to see Parker's dick in Jess' vagina

I like the content with Heather tbh. I think Parker is overrated

 

[bigdickwaterland]

You see, that's just the point, the developer constantly shows sex with her boyfriend and according to the plot that we have, there should already have been at least 2 scenes of betrayal. In my opinion, Jessica takes too long to develop lust for other men. That is why people are not happy. There are few renders, but they are of high quality, again, if desired, they could be increased, all the more so over such a period of time. In fact, Jessica is not particularly developing in the lustful direction "she seems to be marking time." And it's depressing. Even the developer shows that he doesn’t seem to mind starting a large-scale fuck, but for some reason (in fact, everyone knows for what reason) he doesn’t do this and he gets bored, he doesn’t see development and begins to suffer from the work done . I hope that the developer will give Jessica freedom in sexual partners and of course we are waiting for the plot.

 

[bigdickwaterland]

You see, that's just the point, the developer constantly shows sex with her boyfriend and according to the plot that we have, there should already have been at least 2 scenes of betrayal. In my opinion, Jessica takes too long to develop lust for other men. That is why people are not happy. There are few renders, but they are of high quality, again, if desired, they could be increased, all the more so over such a period of time. In fact, Jessica is not particularly developing in the lustful direction "she seems to be marking time." And it's depressing. Even the developer shows that he doesn’t seem to mind starting a large-scale fuck, but for some reason (in fact, everyone knows for what reason) he doesn’t do this and he gets bored, he doesn’t see development and begins to suffer from the work done . I hope that the developer will give Jessica freedom in sexual partners and of course we are waiting for the plot.

I hope that the developer will give Jessica free rein in sexual partners and of course we are waiting for the plot.

 

[Benutzername]

Dream on!

 

[jamdan]

Slow burn thrives on tension and suspense. You see the progression, each event or encounter building on the last. Things get lewder, and lewder until the first sex scenes happens. This goes at different paces depending on the characters involved. Sometimes slow burn is really slow and stays that way throughout. Sometimes it starts as a slow burn, but as it progresses it speeds up. Like a snowball rolling down a hill.

I think the buildup in these games can be the best and even most fun part, if it's written well. But the issue for developers is that they don't actually plan these things in advance. They make it up as they go along. That's why a lot of games get stale after the first sex scenes, the developer doesn't have anything to work towards anymore. They've had sex...now what? So instead of continuing the progression towards the sex, they go into a holding pattern to try to delay it. Not because they don't want sex, but because they don't know what to do after.

 

[Ragnar7k]

Don't think its coming out this year.
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Hey bro it's already 24 jan still no update

 

[TheUberstuff]

Slow burn thrives on tension and suspense. You see the progression, each event or encounter building on the last. Things get lewder, and lewder until the first sex scenes happens. This goes at different paces depending on the characters involved. Sometimes slow burn is really slow and stays that way throughout. Sometimes it starts as a slow burn, but as it progresses it speeds up. Like a snowball rolling down a hill.

I think the buildup in these games can be the best and even most fun part, if it's written well. But the issue for developers is that they don't actually plan these things in advance. They make it up as they go along. That's why a lot of games get stale after the first sex scenes, the developer doesn't have anything to work towards anymore. They've had sex...now what? So instead of continuing the progression towards the sex, they go into a holding pattern to try to delay it. Not because they don't want sex, but because they don't know what to do after.

I agree and normally like slow burn games but when the slow is insanely slow it gets really old.

 

[gilgamesh9]

Burnout or not my ass! When you drag something out intentionally (make the excuses you want) and lose it THAT"S ON YOU. More broken promises and late releases with more excuses. With what you make this is basically a full time job at this point grow up and do your job making more monthly then a lot of hard working people who are probably still supporting this milk machine. I supported the first few years of this game and it still hasn't made much progress except husband which lets be honest doesn't really count for most people. Sorry to rant but to many support and suck the tet of some of these devs to much but to each their own.

 

[TheUberstuff]

Burnout or not my ass! When you drag something out intentionally (make the excuses you want) and lose it THAT"S ON YOU. More broken promises and late releases with more excuses. With what you make this is basically a full time job at this point grow up and do your job making more monthly then a lot of hard working people who are probably still supporting this milk machine. I supported the first few years of this game and it still hasn't made much progress except husband which lets be honest doesn't really count for most people. Sorry to rant but to many support and suck the tet of some of these devs to much but to each their own.

Right there with you, don't be sorry for the anger you are expressing that I guarantee a lot of other people also feel including myself. He is taking those people who donate to him for a ride and he should be ashamed. Its almost fraud honestly but he never promises anything.