VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[MilesEdgeworth]

I wonder if this was tess's planned story all along or if its been heavily influnced by her patrons or whatever. Still a good game of course, but the story has gone off the rails and a lil boring in late chapters. IMO.

Probs mostly planned but it got too big in scale

 

[FinrayB]

Probs mostly planned but it got too big in scale

Agreed 100

 

[Stan5851]

Probs mostly planned but it got too big in scale

Yeah, she stepped on the same rake that hits many aspiring dev on the forehead. Too many chars and too few opportunities (in her case, not technical, but time) to realize everything she drew in her head. Without expanding the KG team, nothing will work. There are successful examples when devs release updates every 3-4 months (each with 3-5K renders and lots of animations), while making one or two more games of comparable size. I won't mention names and titles so as not to violate forum rules, but such teams are not one or even two.

But so far I've only heard talk of expanding the KG "team" and nothing has actually happened, so at this rate we risk retirement (lol) when the game is finally finished.

 

[Teezee]

I've been following this thread for a few months now, reading what Stan, Miles, Lewd, Silver and others discussed. Personally I am not half as vested as most of you guys are, I just played it out of curiosity and what I was hoping would be an interesting plot (twist) at some point ....

In any case, I know all the LIs have their supporters, yet I still feel one is too neglected, so I just decided to leave this here

Spoiler: Disclaimer AI generated

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[Maviarab]

too neglected

Oh my sweet summer child, evidently you didn't read enough

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I've been following this thread for a few months now, reading what Stan, Miles, Lewd, Silver and others discussed. Personally I am not half as vested as most of you guys are, I just played it out of curiosity and what I was hoping would be an interesting plot (twist) at some point ....

In any case, I know all the LIs have their supporters, yet I still feel one is too neglected, so I just decided to leave this here

Spoiler: Disclaimer AI generated

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

First word should be corrected… beautiful tho

 

[jadepaladin]

Kiyomi sounds like a character Miles would make up for one of his midnight x or y choices. She can't be real.

 

[kinkyshin]

In any case, I know all the LIs have their supporters, yet I still feel one is too neglected, so I just decided to leave this here

Dom Path; Kiyomi

Oh my sweet summer child, evidently you didn't read enough

 

[drdiver3]

I mean she ain't wrong, I never saw a single game where the male dev is as much of an unfair person as Tess is, a person who's backing out of his promises again and again and still has such loyal fan base. She used her edgy script to hook you up for eternity. She can get away with anything. I have never seen a male developer as evil as that.

Calm down dude, there's way worse devs out there than Tess. There's people who milk their patrons and don't even deliver updates. And while her failure to deliver a Dom path as promised sucks, calling her evil is hyperbolic.

 

[Negan22]

Calm down dude, there's way worse devs out there than Tess. There's people who milk their patrons and don't even deliver updates. And while her failure to deliver a Dom path as promised sucks, calling her evil is hyperbolic.

She might be into it, must be getting off me calling her evil, you know how she is wired. It's not just her game that has evil characters, and there's her self projected character in the game, what do you think that character would be? princess Tatiana?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Oh my sweet summer child, evidently you didn't read enough

Let them dream. Im sure Kiyomi has big big things in her future

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

View attachment 4939967
View attachment 4939968

I know this wasn't your intent but this scene pisses me off so merch. Poor guys trying to find out about his father and his mom's over here laughing at him cuz of his comments about Olivia's father

 

[kinkyshin]

I know this wasn't your intent but this scene pisses me off so merch. Poor guys trying to find out about his father and his mom's over here laughing at him cuz of his comments about Olivia's father

Yea I understand, and while I somewhat agree I think it's important to keep in mind that Callista is absolutely on Kane's side. She would take a bullet to the brain for him. Every lie she told him was (at least in her mind) to his benefit. I suppose you can question her methods, but you definitely can't question her intentions.

Callista may have been wrong to lie about Kane's father though. Now that I think about it... it's actually a very discussed topic by the characters. Dominique and Veronica were both surprised that Callista told him nothing about Cole. Elena, Otto, and Stefan all say that she should've told him more about Cole. Cynthia has mixed reactions depending on Kane's success, but iirc in both cases she says Callista should've told him about Cole as well.

Anyways, I think it's worse with Olivia. Kane makes it clear to her in the flashback that he's been desperate to know who their father is. Then later, if Kane says he only sees her as a sister, she refuses to tell him who his father is. She just says he should ask Cynthia, and says he should be grateful he even got that much from her. TBH there's a lot of questionable things about Olivia's treatment of Kane that make me wonder if Tess has any siblings lol.

 

[akki_sky]

Yea I understand, and while I somewhat agree I think it's important to keep in mind that Callista is absolutely on Kane's side. She would take a bullet to the brain for him. Every lie she told him was (at least in her mind) to his benefit. I suppose you can question her methods, but you definitely can't question her intentions.

Callista may have been wrong to lie about Kane's father though. Now that I think about it... it's actually a very discussed topic by the characters. Dominique and Veronica were both surprised that Callista told him nothing about Cole. Elena, Otto, and Stefan all say that she should've told him more about Cole. Cynthia has mixed reactions depending on Kane's success, but iirc in both cases she says Callista should've told him about Cole as well.

Anyways, I think it's worse with Olivia. Kane makes it clear to her in the flashback that he's been desperate to know who their father is. Then later, if Kane says he only sees her as a sister, she refuses to tell him who his father is. She just says he should ask Cynthia, and says he should be grateful he even got that much from her. TBH there's a lot of questionable things about Olivia's treatment of Kane that make me wonder if Tess has any siblings lol.

Yes, One of the questionable thing about Olivia's behavior is when she is licking Kane's dick in last update. Olivia said something like "you have to prove to me you can be strong". I don't remember exact words but it is something like that. This dialogue sound weird coming from sub Olivia, it could be fine for dom and evil Olivia but we don't get this scene in that path.

Sub and good Olivia should already trust and believe in Kane's ability. She knows him entire life, she knows everything about Kane and little things about Karlsson's from Calista. So this dialogue sounds weird.

 

[Maviarab]

Yes, One of the questionable thing about Olivia's behavior is when she is licking Kane's dick in last update. Olivia said something like "you have to prove to me you can be strong". I don't remember exact words but it is something like that. This dialogue sound weird coming from sub Olivia, it could be fine for dom and evil Olivia but we don't get this scene in that path.

Sub and good Olivia should already trust and believe in Kane's ability. She knows him entire life, she knows everything about Kane and little things about Karlsson's from Calista. So this dialogue sounds weird.

Then you completely misunderstood the scene and dynamic completely.

Olivia is a Z4. Really doesn't matter how capable Kane is, isn't, might be, Olivia is on the verge of being a board member. Kane is still a slave. Why the fuck, should she submit or defer to Kane (yet)? Tell me. We both know the answer to my question. Now do her words make sense?

It would make even less sense for an evil Olivia. Do you know anything about dynamics at all?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Yea I understand, and while I somewhat agree I think it's important to keep in mind that Callista is absolutely on Kane's side. She would take a bullet to the brain for him. Every lie she told him was (at least in her mind) to his benefit. I suppose you can question her methods, but you definitely can't question her intentions.

Callista may have been wrong to lie about Kane's father though. Now that I think about it... it's actually a very discussed topic by the characters. Dominique and Veronica were both surprised that Callista told him nothing about Cole. Elena, Otto, and Stefan all say that she should've told him more about Cole. Cynthia has mixed reactions depending on Kane's success, but iirc in both cases she says Callista should've told him about Cole as well.

Anyways, I think it's worse with Olivia. Kane makes it clear to her in the flashback that he's been desperate to know who their father is. Then later, if Kane says he only sees her as a sister, she refuses to tell him who his father is. She just says he should ask Cynthia, and says he should be grateful he even got that much from her. TBH there's a lot of questionable things about Olivia's treatment of Kane that make me wonder if Tess has any siblings lol.

If her plan was to raise these two to be the final couple than that plan is almost bound to fail. Im gonna raise you two as siblings for 20 something years and hope there's enough attraction there for yall to want to be together.
As for the cole situation, any of the sisters with knowledge about Kane's father couldve easily used it to manipulate Kane.

 

[Stan5851]

Then you completely misunderstood the scene and dynamic completely.

Olivia is a Z4. Really doesn't matter how capable Kane is, isn't, might be, Olivia is on the verge of being a board member. Kane is still a slave. Why the fuck, should she submit or defer to Kane (yet)? Tell me. We both know the answer to my question. Now do her words make sense?

Well, it was her initiative to kneel in front of DomKane and lick his cock. Ofc, if our Liv has >=7 SisSub pts. As for the dynamics of the scene, I see classic teasing on Tess' part here and nothing more.

Olivia is no better than Kane and being lucky enough to be born with a golden spoon up her ass does not, imo, give her any moral advantage over a man she's known her entire conscious life..So we can approach this issue from two perspectives.

1. Both Kane and Olivia are the children of elite parents, and for that matter, Kane's parents are not inferior to Olivia's parents.

2. But I'd rather put that elite crap aside and remember that Kane and Liv are the closest people to each other, having grown up together and knowing each other like the back of their hands. And that's worth something, so either Tess doesn't know what she's doing (which is unlikely), or submissive Olivia's line about Kane having to "prove himself" is just another "phrase for other people's ears" for those who are constantly watching Liv (including the seemingly loyal Cassandra) and evaluating her every move as much as D.Kane's.

So, really, my take on it goes something like this. Kane has nothing to prove to his sister, nor does she have anything to prove to Kane - they are equals..

If sub Liv really loves DomKane and wants to make him happy, she shouldn't be teasing him by using that kind of argument and she should have come up with a better explanation. (imo)

 

[Maviarab]

give her any moral advantage over a man she's known her entire conscious life

What have Morals got to do with it hehehe?

Simple power dynamics and right now, she has all the power and will not completely defer to Kane until he has at least got closer to her level. What she feels for him right now is really unimportant.

She was offering a promise/incentive...an incentive Kane can't cash in yet.

 

[Stan5851]

What have Morals got to do with it hehehe?

Simple power dynamics and right now, she has all the power and will not completely defer to Kane until he has at least got closer to her level. What she feels for him right now is really unimportant.

She was offering a promise/incentive...an incentive Kane can't cash in yet.

That might be a good explanation if it wasn't Liv, but some Juliette, Dominique or Alessandra who can't live without this rank shit and who is still studying and evaluating DomKane in terms of whether to commit to him.. But when that kind of promise/encouragement comes from Olivia and is accompanied by arguments like “you have to prove yourself worthy first,” it sounds like complete bullshit to me.

It's like a girl telling her boyfriend she'll only give him a blowjob when he becomes a millionaire. Fuck her, let me tell you, with incentives like that. That motivational shit may work in HR, but my lovely "sis" shouldn't be giving me the “first prove you're as cool as me (a girl who, by the way, didn't do a damn thing for it)” condition.

"You, lil sis, have had 20 fucking years to realize what kind of person I am, how much I care about you and how I feel about you. And fuck you, Liv, with your "prove it first" bullshit". Here's what I think about all of this.

 

[Maviarab]

That might be a good explanation if it wasn't Liv, but some Juliette, Dominique or Alessandra who can't live without this rank shit and who is still studying and evaluating DomKane in terms of whether to commit to him.. But when that kind of promise/encouragement comes from Olivia and is accompanied by arguments like “you have to prove yourself worthy first,” it sounds like complete bullshit to me.

It's like a girl telling her boyfriend she'll only give him a blowjob when he becomes a millionaire. Fuck her, let me tell you, with incentives like that. This motivational bullshit might fly in HR, but my lovely sis shouldn't be giving me the “first prove you're as cool as me” condition.

That motivational shit may work in HR, but my lovely "sis" shouldn't be giving me the “first prove you're as cool as me (a girl who, by the way, didn't do a damn thing for it)” condition.

"You, lil sis, have had 20 fucking years to realize what kind of person I am, how much I care about you and how I feel about you. And fuck you, Liv, with your "prove it first" bullshit". Here's what I think about all of this.

As I said before....who is on the board...who is a slave? Who, despite being given a board position, is still being watched very closely and still has somewhat a precarious position herself?

I feel like you want to debate this point because you really don't want to accept, despite whether she loves Kane or not, she is not going to submit to him in his current situation and you firmly believe she should. No one would. Again, a promise...but Kane has to get higher to make that promise a reality.

You understand dynamics, no submissive or woman is ever going to submit to a man that is lesser than her (in her eyes), and despite all we say about Olivia, she does still have that power (and uses it often and enjoys it), while Kane does not. Do you respect Kane currently Stan? I sure as hell don't, so why should Liv? Again, why should she submit to a man so low down the food chain just because she growjn up with him? Do you even recall Alessa's conversations on the SS route? Not really any different.