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Imho most to all of the female characters in KG have great bodies and great outfits ...
In short my post was about the point that those great bodies more often should be appreciated in full size (pinup) images ingame.
Mostly I agree but I think some of them could have bigger tits. Chanel is the only one with a legendary chest.

Elena has magical titties. I think Tess shrank her tits to fit in a dress but forgot to inflate them back to their proper size lol

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Are you seriously bringing culture war bullshit into this? Get over yourself man. This particular porn game is not an attack on your gender and race.
Where in my post did I write that this game is an "attack on my gender and race"? (lol) I am only saying that in our world, in the entertainment film, video, and gaming industries, there have long been double standards regarding men and women, and that what is permissible to do to men is not applicable/unacceptable to women.

It's strange that I have to explain to you basic and obvious things that you should know yourself. This shit has been around for years, we're just used to it, and a humorous explanation boils down to something like this: A man is strong, he can endure anything. But girls who pee rainbows, no way." (lol)

By the way, even Tess wrote about this (in the chat with one of the players — not me). So this is the world we live in.

As for femdom/male slavery, yes, I continue to argue that this theme fits very well into these double standards regarding what is permissible to do to men and women. This does not mean that Tess created the game's plot with this in mind. It's more of a simple observation of the current state of affairs. And that's precisely why the game won't have any problems in this regard.

Even though KG is still directly violating Patreon's TOS (prohibition on displaying non-con content) and could theoretically be banned by them. Of course, when I say non-con, I mean primarily the sub slave route. But since no one gives a shit about men, that's definitely not going to be a problem.

Well, with women...I guess we can all see what happened to the Dom route (it's just that Tess never found the courage to talk about the real reasons for this softening).
 
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Where in my post did I write that this game is an "attack on my gender and race"? (lol) I am only saying that in our world, in the entertainment film, video, and gaming industries, there have long been double standards regarding men and women, and that what is permissible to do to men is not applicable/unacceptable to women.

It's strange that I have to explain to you basic and obvious things that you should know yourself. This shit has been around for years, we're just used to it, and a humorous explanation boils down to something like this: A man is strong, he can endure anything. But girls who pee rainbows, no way." (lol)

By the way, even Tess wrote about this (in the chat with one of the players — not me). So this is the world we live in.

As for femdom/male slavery, yes, I continue to argue that this theme fits very well into these double standards regarding what is permissible to do to men and women. This does not mean that Tess created the game's plot with this in mind. It's more of a simple observation of the current state of affairs. And that's precisely why the game won't have any problems in this regard.

Even though KG is still directly violating Patreon's TOS (prohibition on displaying non-con content) and could theoretically be banned by them. Of course, when I say non-con, I mean primarily the sub slave route. But since no one gives a shit about men, that's definitely not going to be a problem.

Well, with women...I guess we can all see what happened to the Dom route (it's just that Tess never found the courage to talk about the real reasons for this softening).
OK, I'll grant that I might have been a bit quick to dismiss you. This is not to start a whole thing here, just feel the need to answer you since I don't want to come off as just attacking you for no reason. There is a double standard, I agree on that. In my country it's even codified in law, it makes it safer to make a femdom game, than a maledom game, for those who are worried about things like that. It's quite understandable where this double standard comes from, but it should have been handled differently, in my opinion. The reason I was so quick to dismiss you probably comes from you writing "no one gives a shit about men" and "unhealthy agenda". It seems to me you are implying some sort of conspiracy, an "anti-man agenda". If that is not the case, then I misread you. If it is the case, then I maintain that you are on some culture war bullshit. Also, you seem to think that you can read Tess' mind as to what her motivations are for doing what she does, and state your opinions as fact. These are the reasons I concluded you were full of shit, but this is the internet, and it's a porn game forum, so yeah, nothing here is super important. If you want to argue why I'm wrong you may send me a PM. This thread already has way too much back and forth arguing. Also you might want to read up on collective shout, they are only posing as feminists. They are some backwards-ass right-wing cunts.
 

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I'm at the stage of picking the MC or Jake for the Dr special treatment for Olivia. Will picking the MC be bad if you don't want the sub route?
 

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I'm at the stage of picking the MC or Jake for the Dr special treatment for Olivia. Will picking the MC be bad if you don't want the sub route?
AfaIk :
Currently these variables have no real impact on the dom path ...

global doctorkane
global doctorjake

(Note :
After the choice in E5 these 2 variables are no longer independent : one is True, the other is False. When searching the scripts you have to look for both variables.)

It will come up once or twice in discussions and they say they will overthink things or ask Olivia before they do anything.

dr2 "By the way, Mistress [pname3] has requested I do some special training with [pname]. But he's doing well in the program so I'm at a loss."
dr2 "I can't really do my normal training and especially tongue work, but I don't want to disappoint the Warden."
d "I don't think you need to worry about this yet Doctor. [pname]'s not even participating in the show today...so he won't find himself here."
dr2 "You're right, I'm overthinking things."

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It's different on the sub path where Olivia can approve it in E8.1.evilodp :
"(Why not? I think it will make him more useful. I'll approve the Doctor's idea to change [pname]'s tongue.)"
-> $ ktongue = True
 
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Mostly I agree but I think some of them could have bigger tits. Chanel is the only one with a legendary chest.

Elena has magical titties. I think Tess shrank her tits to fit in a dress but forgot to inflate them back to their proper size lol

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I also noticed that they got smaller
 
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If Mf violence is a problem, Tess can move the scenes to the Olivia part and turn them into Ff scenes. From the player's PoV it's not much difference if Kane or Olivia punishes a female. You can even give Olivia a strap-on and she has all the options Kane has.
She will have all the options she get in demoness path. So, dont worry, atleast you. But, Dont expect me to watch olivia scenes as "not much difference". I'm playing as Kane, and I'm least bothered about Olivia. So, yeah Olivia FF scenes doesn't do anything for my maledom kink.
 
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So… dom players won’t be able to experience Demon Kane… but they will still be able to experience evil Kane… your just basing this entire thing to what ur subjective likeness is on what actions Kane will be able to preform.. Not all dom players want to go as far as what you want in terms of actions able to be done against some of the characters… like.. evil Kane won’t be soft at all, just not to the extent of what some dom player want in terms of cruelty
That's what I said, he is soft to become demon. But Yes, not too soft. So, yes, you are right, He can still become evil, which he already is in evil dom path. And yeah, Not all Dom players. That's why we have different dom paths. I'm only saying this about demon path fans. If you are not that fan, then my replies are not intended towards you. If you enjoy Kane being evil but not the demon, good for you.
 

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Mostly I agree but I think some of them could have bigger tits. Chanel is the only one with a legendary chest.

Elena has magical titties. I think Tess shrank her tits to fit in a dress but forgot to inflate them back to their proper size lol

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I also noticed that they got smaller
I think its just angles and perspectives, etc. If we go back to like beginning of the game, you can see her size is season 2 size. So if anything I think season 1 last episode would be outlier, but I still think it might be just angles and how close we are zoomed in, etc. So could be a bit overblown.
 

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I think its just angles and perspectives, etc. If we go back to like beginning of the game, you can see her size is season 2 size. So if anything I think season 1 last episode would be outlier, but I still think it might be just angles and how close we are zoomed in, etc. So could be a bit overblown.
What you're saying is definitely possible.
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Err, maybe the dress didn't properly fit? Regardless if her tits were shrunk down or not, she could certainly stand to have bigger tits. I think we can agree on this much.

I'm remembering now when Chastain tells Kane that Erica is sensitive about her small breasts and wanted Chastain to make them bigger I was hoping there would be an option for Kane to be like "Yea, I think that's a great idea" but instead he spews some nonsense about how they look great the way they are.
 

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What you're saying is definitely possible.
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Err, maybe the dress didn't properly fit? Regardless if her tits were shrunk down or not, she could certainly stand to have bigger tits. I think we can agree on this much.

I'm remembering now when Chastain tells Kane that Erica is sensitive about her small breasts and wanted Chastain to make them bigger I was hoping there would be an option for Kane to be like "Yea, I think that's a great idea" but instead he spews some nonsense about how they look great the way they are.
It's weird that once Kane knocks up Olivia and Veronica, those two will be grandmothers of Kane's children ...
Based on the assumption that they founded the Karlsson Group (with others) before getting their children who are ingame in their mid-twenties themselves, they both should be ca 50-60 years old ... they still look fine, so in the future 50 seems to be the new 30.
 

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It's weird that once Kane knocks up Olivia and Veronica, those two will be grandmothers of Kane's children ...
GILFS
hell yea.gif

Based on the assumption that they founded the Karlsson Group (with others) before getting their children who are ingame in their mid-twenties themselves, they both should be ca 50-60 years old ... they still look fine, so in the future 50 seems to be the new 30.
Yea, I'm definitely okay with this. And it's not the weirdest bit of science-fiction as far as this story is concerned anyways I think.
 
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OK, I'll grant that I might have been a bit quick to dismiss you. This is not to start a whole thing here, just feel the need to answer you since I don't want to come off as just attacking you for no reason. There is a double standard, I agree on that. In my country it's even codified in law, it makes it safer to make a femdom game, than a maledom game, for those who are worried about things like that. It's quite understandable where this double standard comes from, but it should have been handled differently, in my opinion. The reason I was so quick to dismiss you probably comes from you writing "no one gives a shit about men" and "unhealthy agenda". It seems to me you are implying some sort of conspiracy, an "anti-man agenda". If that is not the case, then I misread you. If it is the case, then I maintain that you are on some culture war bullshit. Also, you seem to think that you can read Tess' mind as to what her motivations are for doing what she does, and state your opinions as fact. These are the reasons I concluded you were full of shit, but this is the internet, and it's a porn game forum, so yeah, nothing here is super important. If you want to argue why I'm wrong you may send me a PM. This thread already has way too much back and forth arguing. Also you might want to read up on collective shout, they are only posing as feminists. They are some backwards-ass right-wing cunts.
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Also, you seem to think that you can read Tess' mind as to what her motivations are for doing what she does, and state your opinions as fact.
I am expressing my personal opinion, which I have the right to, and it is not for you to forbid me to do so. Every person’s opinion can be considered subjective, so I am not obliged to put “imo” after every sentence.
These are the reasons I concluded you were full of shit, but this is the internet, and it's a porn game forum, so yeah, nothing here is super important. If you want to argue why I'm wrong you may send me a PM.
Yes, I had the same thoughts about you, but I am not going to send you messages in PM, coz when it comes to pressing and sensitive issues, I prefer open communication within the framework of the thread.
Also you might want to read up on collective shout, they are only posing as feminists. They are some backwards-ass right-wing cunts.
I don’t understand the varieties of shit, and I have no desire to find out which of them is less shitty. For me, it is enough that these “backwards-ass cunts” have ruined the plans of many indie devs selling their Adult games on platforms like Itch.io or Steam.
 
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Just going through all the side paths.

On Alessandra's Secret Sub path in E7 my K9 Kane is downgraded to subK7 rank.
"... you're going to be slotted at a certain rank for now."

A moment later she says :
"You need to keep moving up the ranks."

That's contradictory : downgrading to a fixed rank while demanding to rise in ranks

Isn't a secret slave the more valuable the higher his rank is?
Problem is also that K9 was publicly announced.
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Just going through all the side paths.

On Alessandra's Secret Sub path in E7 my K9 Kane is downgraded to subK7 rank.
"... you're going to be slotted at a certain rank for now."

A moment later she says :
"You need to keep moving up the ranks."

That's contradictory : downgrading to a fixed rank while demanding to rise in ranks

Isn't a secret slave the more valuable the higher his rank is?
Problem is also that K9 was publicly announced.
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Oof, this has been discussed a million times at this point.

But basically the logic is that behind the scenes, a Kane with a secretly submissive side would be noticeably less assertive than a truly domineering Kane behind the scenes. Because of this, he wouldn't/shouldn't have made it past k7.

The problem however, is that Tess screwed up and mistakenly let Kane get a higher rank than k7 even on the SS path. Rather than go back to fix the mistake (and thereby screw everyone's saves) she added this.

Perhaps the Steam release will fix some of these problems... We'll see.
 
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Oof, this has been discussed a million times at this point.

But basically the logic is that behind the scenes, a Kane with a secretly submissive side would be noticeably less assertive than a truly domineering Kane behind the scenes. Because of this, he wouldn't/shouldn't have made it past k7.

The problem however, is that Tess screwed up and mistakenly let Kane get a higher rank than k7 even on the SS path. Rather than go back to fix the mistake (and thereby screw everyone's saves) she added this.

Perhaps the Steam release will fix some of these problems... We'll see.
I think I would have implemented Secret Sub simply as a secret attribute for Kane which triggers those bonus events with Alessandra and may overwrite some standard events. No need to mess with ranks ...
If variety of Kane's locations for different ranks is a problem, Kane could visit her at her place so that the location is well defined without too much effort.
 

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I think I would have implemented Secret Sub simply as a secret attribute for Kane which triggers those bonus events with Alessandra and may overwrite some standard events. No need to mess with ranks ...
If variety of Kane's locations for different ranks is a problem, Kane could visit her at her place so that the location is well defined without too much effort.
Err, maybe you misunderstood what I was saying... I'll say it again in a different way because I don't think we're quite on the same wavelength.

Tess could do what you said, but she doesn't want it to be possible for a secretly sub Kane to be as highly ranked as a truly domineering Kane. In Tess's mind, a secretly submissive Kane is NOT as capable as a truly domineering Kane. Even if the Karlsson Group doesn't know about his secretly submissive side, they still know he's not as assertive as they would like him to be (like a truly domineering Kane would be).

A secretly submissive Kane would never have made it past k7 at this point in time.
A truly domineering Kane is more capable and would make it to k9.

You understand what I mean, right?
 
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Err, maybe you misunderstood what I was saying... I'll say it again in a different way because I don't think we're quite on the same wavelength.

Tess could do what you said, but she doesn't want it to be possible for a secretly sub Kane to be as highly ranked as a truly domineering Kane. In Tess's mind, a secretly submissive Kane is NOT as capable as a truly domineering Kane. Even if the Karlsson Group doesn't know about his secretly submissive side, they still know he's not as assertive as they would like him to be (like a truly domineering Kane would be).

A secretly submissive Kane would never have made it past k7 at this point in time.
A truly domineering Kane is more capable and would make it to k9.

You understand what I mean, right?
I already understood you the first time ...

Problem with KG is that it used the dom and sub variables only at the start in the prison. Getting K6 depended more on social skills like selecting the correct answers for Elena, Pat and Sam to get pushed through the evaluation.
Since then it's a mixture of social skills (eg Olivia) and selecting the correct answers to ace the tests to climb up the ladder. It's completely independent from the dom and sub values. They are no longer evaluated.

If for example there would be a limited number of points (eg 10 points total, not each) the player can place in dom and sub category and Kane would need a certain amount of sub points (eg min 4 sub points) to start the Secret Sub path, then this secret sub Kane would have less dom points (max 6) compared to a true dom Kane (eg 10 dom points) which could limit the subs options with other characters and how to solve certain tests ... but only if the game would evaluate dom and sub points.

After joining the secret sub path my character had no problems to fuck Dominique, the doctor and her assistant, etc. since a lot of events do not change ...

Current design with the subK7 rank is not optimal and feels forced.
But it's only one path and I mostly play it to see what type of content is there. So far it is not my kink. I am more the good dom player.
 
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I already understood you the first time ...
Ah, my mistake then.

Problem with KG is that it used the dom and sub variables only at the start in the prison. Getting K6 depended more on social skills like selecting the correct answers for Elena, Pat and Sam to get pushed through the evaluation.
Since then it's a mixture of social skills (eg Olivia) and selecting the correct answers to ace the tests to climb up the ladder. It's completely independent from the dom and sub values. They are no longer evaluated.
Tess said that it will matter more later in the future. We'll see.

If for example there would be a limited number of points (eg 10 points total, not each) the player can place in dom and sub category and Kane would need a certain amount of sub points (eg min 4 sub points) to start the Secret Sub path, then this secret sub Kane would have less dom points (max 6) compared to a true dom Kane (eg 10 dom points) which could limit the subs options with other characters and how to solve certain tests ... but only if the game would evaluate dom and sub points.

After joining the secret sub path my character had no problems to fuck Dominique, the doctor and her assistant, etc. since a lot of events do not change ...

Current design with the subK7 rank is not optimal and feels forced.
I think the secret sub path has a lot of issues in general. Not really sure where her head is at when it comes to the secretsub path... I'm guessing it's nowhere near as popular as dom or sub path though so it's not a huge priority.

As for your points system (with dom/sub points blocking out certain options) I think that's pretty common in most AVNs and it would be cool in KG as well. Not sure why Tess had no interest in doing it like that. Err, maybe it will happen later?

But it's only one path and I mostly play it to see what type of content is there. So far it is not my kink. I am more the good dom player.
Yea, I imagine this is true for most people.
 
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