VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[RNasc4444]

Olivia's cool with me, Olivia is the only one bothering to give Kane any real information and honestly the other sisters are much worse to her considering they have had access to the Karlsson weapons all their lives while Olivia is just getting introduced to that lifestyle.

I get that but can't agree.

Olivia had access to Callista herself. She had a pretty damn privileged upbringing in secret as well, all things considered. We are even told she had lessons throughout her whole youth. Including freaking acting lessons. There isn't a doubt in my mind she is playing a part. Nothing she does or says is the least bit honest. I don't think she gives a damn about Kane or Seth. She has a purpose and a goal and that's all that matters to her. She will lie, deceive and manipulate anyone in her way to get what she wants.

Which is why, to me, she's top 2 of most disgustingly evil chars in the game. Second only to Veronica.

 

[NewGuy2022]

But one thing is right. Olivia has more secrets.

No doubt. "That" is one of the big things I'm trying to learn as the game progresses. How much did Callista really teach her during her upbringing? How much of what we see Olivia say and do is the "real" Olivia and how much of that is theater put on to influence or deceive others? How much free will does Kane really have vs. how much of what we see is forced/manipulated to steer him to act as he does?

Does Good Olivia truly love and respect Dom-Good Kane the way she tells him she does? Or is it all just an act to manipulate things to achieve a specific outcome?

I want to think so but this game tends to dash a lot of hopes and things often don't end well for men. This, along with the "how did this all come to happen" probably are the two biggest things I'm sticking around for. If nothing else, the writer has set the hook for me on this.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Im still on the Callista did a horrible job of training Kane for what lies ahead train. Even with the head bomb, i feel she couldve properly prepared him for what to expect. Instead we get her patting herself on the back for giving Kane a chance to survive which will come down to Kane's will to survive. Other than birthing him, nothing she does even remotely helps Kane.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Im still on the Callista did a horrible job of training Kane for what lies ahead train. Even with the head bomb, i feel she couldve properly prepared him for what to expect. Instead we get her patting herself on the back for giving Kane a chance to survive which will come down to Kane's will to survive. Other than birthing him, nothing she does even remotely helps Kane.

I'm not so sure about that. To be fair, Kane is Dom-Good on my runs so your results may be different.

She taught him ethics, such as they are. You only need to look so far as most of the Karlssons and their ilk to see that being reared by Callista was a blessing for him and Olivia both. I am bitter that I think she deceived or at least withheld information from him but I think she did that to better prepare him for the gambit. She taught him that will you describe and would have taught him coping strategies. She clearly drilled him hard with studies when he was younger (he complains about it during flashbacks). Finally, she reared him and encouraged close development with Olivia. On the dom-good path at least I see this as a major advantage for him.

Just my opinion but Callista foresaw that at some point the family would come to claim Olivia and would seize Kane in some way to test him. If he knew what to expect, that might skew the outcomes and potentially put him at risk. I think he'll be pretty angry when he learns this but she foresaw that when she told him "you may even hate me one day when you learn more" (my words since I don't recall the exact quote). I do feel Callista showed much more to Olivia than to Kane but I believe it's because she anticipated different roles for the two of them after the Karlssons come and take them back.

I'm not a fan of everything this dev does (trust me) but she does a good job with foreshadowing and planting hints that will be useful later in the story; I'd say she's better than most devs I've seen in that regard.

 

[harsha_26]

I'm not so sure about that. To be fair, Kane is Dom-Good on my runs so your results may be different.

She taught him ethics, such as they are. You only need to look so far as most of the Karlssons and their ilk to see that being reared by Callista was a blessing for him and Olivia both. I am bitter that I think she deceived or at least withheld information from him but I think she did that to better prepare him for the gambit. She taught him that will you describe and would have taught him coping strategies. She clearly drilled him hard with studies when he was younger (he complains about it during flashbacks). Finally, she reared him and encouraged close development with Olivia. On the dom-good path at least I see this as a major advantage for him.

Just my opinion but Callista foresaw that at some point the family would come to claim Olivia and would seize Kane in some way to test him. If he knew what to expect, that might skew the outcomes and potentially put him at risk. I think he'll be pretty angry when he learns this but she foresaw that when she told him "you may even hate me one day when you learn more" (my words since I don't recall the exact quote). I do feel Callista showed much more to Olivia than to Kane but I believe it's because she anticipated different roles for the two of them after the Karlssons come and take them back.

I'm not a fan of everything this dev does (trust me) but she does a good job with foreshadowing and planting hints that will be useful later in the story; I'd say she's better than most devs I've seen in that regard.

So, you mean to day, callista never thought of Kane ruling the karlssons. Yeah, In fact, lots of main characters are not willing to see him as a chairman even in dom path.

If you are in Veronica path, she wants Kane to go island4 with her. Best path if you are looking for romantic vanilla ending and it is also the canon path.

Alessandra Path, she wants Kane as a secret sub while the real control lies in her for female supremacy.

Dom Olivia is grooming herself to be the future queen with support of Elena, Callista, Veronica and wants Kane as a partner.

I think best chance for ruling as a chairman for Good Dom Kane, as of now, is Dominique (a strong supporter of men compare to other sisters) while keeping Olivia as a sub.

If you are evil Dom, then Dominique and Juliette evil harem path (as confirmed by tess) could be best and Katsumi. Katsumi is the only one executive who believes in Kane as a chairman.

 

[NewGuy2022]

If Kitty's hair were on fire I wouldn't piss in her face to put out the flames. I loathe her even more than I despise Juliette, Alessandra, and Chastain. And, for me, that's saying something. On my runthroughs I refuse to do anything Kitty asks, even when it penalizes me with points and flags, just to upset her. The way she reacts when a man with a choice turns her down is priceless to see; also, I really hate her personality as presented in the game. On my main path, I'm trying for the throuple if the dev doesn't kill that off, too.

 

[harsha_26]

If Kitty's hair were on fire I wouldn't piss in her face to put out the flames. I loathe her even more than I despise Juliette, Alessandra, and Chastain. And, for me, that's saying something. On my runthroughs I refuse to do anything Kitty asks, even when it penalizes me with points and flags, just to upset her. The way she reacts when a man with a choice turns her down is priceless to see; also, I really hate her personality as presented in the game. On my main path, I'm trying for the throuple if the dev doesn't kill that off, too.

Trouple you mean Domi+Jili evil harem or faction B vero+oliv path?

Regarding Katsumi, I know she have haters in good Dom players, but it's just my personal opinion as a evil Dom player. Even though she is evil and all, I like her personally. I like how she fought hard for her executive position from K4 level (even with elena chip compromise). She seems to be the only one who is encouraging Kane to the ruler of company while most of others are expecting you to be executive and support the sisters.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I'm not so sure about that. To be fair, Kane is Dom-Good on my runs so your results may be different.

She taught him ethics, such as they are. You only need to look so far as most of the Karlssons and their ilk to see that being reared by Callista was a blessing for him and Olivia both. I am bitter that I think she deceived or at least withheld information from him but I think she did that to better prepare him for the gambit. She taught him that will you describe and would have taught him coping strategies. She clearly drilled him hard with studies when he was younger (he complains about it during flashbacks). Finally, she reared him and encouraged close development with Olivia. On the dom-good path at least I see this as a major advantage for him.

Just my opinion but Callista foresaw that at some point the family would come to claim Olivia and would seize Kane in some way to test him. If he knew what to expect, that might skew the outcomes and potentially put him at risk. I think he'll be pretty angry when he learns this but she foresaw that when she told him "you may even hate me one day when you learn more" (my words since I don't recall the exact quote). I do feel Callista showed much more to Olivia than to Kane but I believe it's because she anticipated different roles for the two of them after the Karlssons come and take them back.

I'm not a fan of everything this dev does (trust me) but she does a good job with foreshadowing and planting hints that will be useful later in the story; I'd say she's better than most devs I've seen in that regard.

She also left him with a huge reason to be resentful. There's the father thing that Dom couldve used if she knew what she was doing, there's the whole faking her death and putting him in this gambit thing, which I cant imagine he'll be happy about once he finds out. Good sub (depending on your girl)/dom are the best case scenarios but neither path seems exactly tempting given what Kane has gone through.

I like tess's character work, I might bitch about her characters but they all act according to the way they're supposed to according to the way she's written them