Others Kincaid [2024.03 Hotfix 1] [Cookiedraggy]

[limesseur]

Whichever side you think is more prevalent depends on whether you are watching this site or discord. Of course discord will be more accepting of the change, that's because it's full of supporters; they're still supporting the game because they like the direction the game is going. Criticizing a game in its own discord is like opening fire in enemy territory. Not to mention the 5 or 6 regulars that will quickly drown out any real discussion with half-related banter and prospects of future content. Ironically, this site, where people typically go to bash developers without filter, feels much more welcoming to genuine criticism.

The change certainly does take away from the pace of the game, if you have the same preference as I and others do. I realize, however, that my viewpoint is hard to understand without having this preference, so I'll try my best to explain it.

My particular sexual preference essentially boils down to "the element of surprise." The "surprise" part of surprise sex basically acts as a multiplier to my dopamine levels when viewing porn.

The advantage that porn games have over other forms of pornography is player-interaction. Defeat sex mechanics make it so that the activation for the porn is human error (getting hit/grappled by an enemy). Human error is extremely unpredictable, so it works pretty well as a surprise element to the porn.

The change being made to the game shifts all sex to being completely player-initiated. So, this effectively removes all surprise from the porn, unarguably a less interesting experience for someone like me.

Also, mentioning the effects on gameplay will only convince people who already agree. Ultimately, your view on how the change affects the flow of gameplay is dependent on your preference. I will disagree with anyone who argues that the flow is better because I have played the game, and I know how I feel about the gameplay. I cannot be convinced otherwise because the counterargument consists of a viewpoint that I simply do not feel.

I understand that the devs themselves favor the change, so it would take a vast majority pushback to sway their decision; a pushback which clearly isn't there. My goal isn't to convince the developers at this point, it's to defend the validity of my perspective. There's no real reason to argue at this point, I just want it to be known that there are people who won't enjoy the change, and that their perspective is justified. Personal opinion on this change is completely subjective based on preference. I'm tired of people trying to make it objective based on gameplay as if there is one true, nonnegotiable answer.

I'll agree on the point that making ALL the sex in the game player-initiated isn't quite where the game should go, and I didn't know that the sex was only player-initiated with enemies in the recent build.

However, I did mention things that could make it alongside a grapple/stun/defeat system work, as an optional part for those that want it, with different animations to separate domcaid sex from the other and maybe reasons to use it, ways to make it less pace-changing like adding a skip button, maybe it could be an alternative way of healing than using energy, stuff like that to "make is worthwhile at least".

If the part at the end about you being tired of personal opinion is directed at me, I did not make my original post with my own opinion, I offered suggestions to what would make the domcaid stuff worthwhile as another option other than grapples and such. And as for the new movement stuff I mentioned, I did not say that the changes were different to what I was used to but to what past and other players of it might be used to, adding that some of the movement can be hard if one hand is down your pants while playing, as this is a platformer with sex in it with several controls.

Maybe I'm being defensive since I was the one replied to instead of the people I was making my post about, feeling like I'm being told that what I said is invalid because of someone's preferences in sex, but I felt I had to make this reply because of mentions at the start of why possibly I said what I did being because I was looking at critiques from one side or another when I wasn't, and the ending addition about being tired of people making something objective based on gameplay. And in return, I do not mean for this to be an angry or aggressive response, but rather pointing out where it feels like what I said is being invalidated.

 

[J55555]

I'll agree on the point that making ALL the sex in the game player-initiated isn't quite where the game should go, and I didn't know that the sex was only player-initiated with enemies in the recent build.

However, I did mention things that could make it alongside a grapple/stun/defeat system work, as an optional part for those that want it, with different animations to separate domcaid sex from the other and maybe reasons to use it, ways to make it less pace-changing like adding a skip button, maybe it could be an alternative way of healing than using energy, stuff like that to "make is worthwhile at least".

If the part at the end about you being tired of personal opinion is directed at me, I did not make my original post with my own opinion, I offered suggestions to what would make the domcaid stuff worthwhile as another option other than grapples and such. And as for the new movement stuff I mentioned, I did not say that the changes were different to what I was used to but to what past and other players of it might be used to, adding that some of the movement can be hard if one hand is down your pants while playing, as this is a platformer with sex in it with several controls.

Maybe I'm being defensive since I was the one replied to instead of the people I was making my post about, feeling like I'm being told that what I said is invalid because of someone's preferences in sex, but I felt I had to make this reply because of mentions at the start of why possibly I said what I did being because I was looking at critiques from one side or another when I wasn't, and the ending addition about being tired of people making something objective based on gameplay. And in return, I do not mean for this to be an angry or aggressive response, but rather pointing out where it feels like what I said is being invalidated.

If I remember right, the early plan was to have both dom and sub mechanics. That's why fainted enemies stayed on the ground instead of disappearing, it was preparation for a dom mechanic similar to what we have now. I had also assumed that this would mean different animations. However, for whatever reason this eventually turned into the decision we're faced with now.

I don't know if you were there for the initial announcement of the possible change, but the developers made it pretty clear that having both mechanics is not an option. I otherwise totally agree that both mechanics should be present, since that would please the most people. I don't think a reason was given for refusing to have both, but I imagine it's because it would be more work than just choosing one style or the other. That is most likely why they abandoned the original plan: the developers realized while making the game that having both would be too ambitious for their available workload. I guess they liked the idea of the dom style enough, though, that they figured it was worth changing the porn mechanics of their game, and, consequently, causing turmoil among their supporters.

The post wasn't really targeted at you. I was already thinking up an essay before you commented. I just replied to your post because it was the most recent and somewhat related and because replying to something makes me feel like my post isn't as spontaneous as it really is.

When mentioning gameplay, I was purely focused on the change in sex mechanics because there have been people (not you) that have argued that the change in sex style alone has improved the "flow" of the game. My goal wasn't to invalidate you but to invalidate the idea that the change from sub to dom has resulted is some unarguable benefit in gameplay. I didn't touch on your mention on movement, and I agree that, other than the change in the way that the porn is handled, the devs' experiments with new abilities could definitely benefit the game's platforming elements.

 

[rtccxd]

any full save

 

[QSharpe]

Something I really don't understand is how the developers keep insisting that "we can't have it both ways" when they clearly already have done that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a professional software engineer, but I know how to program in a few languages and I've made stuff in gamemaker(same engine this game uses). It's not hard to have both player initiated and surprise sex mechanics, especially since they've already done it. The creators have created pouncing enemies, dashing enemies, projectile throwing enemies etc. all of which can initiate sex without a problem. I don't understand how they are unable to keep doing the same system with future enemies, and they haven't explained what this problem is supposed to be.

 

[dragonsix6969]

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so all of the snowflakes again, even in porn games they...

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Something I really don't understand is how the developers keep insisting that "we can't have it both ways" when they clearly already have done that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a professional software engineer, but I know how to program in a few languages and I've made stuff in gamemaker(same engine this game uses). It's not hard to have both player initiated and surprise sex mechanics, especially since they've already done it. The creators have created pouncing enemies, dashing enemies, projectile throwing enemies etc. all of which can initiate sex without a problem. I don't understand how they are unable to keep doing the same system with future enemies, and they haven't explained what this problem is supposed to be.

I think it's more because it would increase the workload. We're half way through year 3 of development afterall and still not quite done with the first of three (?) proposed areas.

 

[dragonsix6969]

Something I really don't understand is how the developers keep insisting that "we can't have it both ways" when they clearly already have done that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a professional software engineer, but I know how to program in a few languages and I've made stuff in gamemaker(same engine this game uses). It's not hard to have both player initiated and surprise sex mechanics, especially since they've already done it. The creators have created pouncing enemies, dashing enemies, projectile throwing enemies etc. all of which can initiate sex without a problem. I don't understand how they are unable to keep doing the same system with future enemies, and they haven't explained what this problem is supposed to be.

true, what prevents them from making two mechanics and releasing two versions.

 

[Freezewood369]

about projectiles enemies..... ¿these pink insects like wasps or bee they have some sex animation actually?.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

about projectiles enemies..... ¿these pink insects like wasps or bee they have some sex animation actually?.

Nope and they won't get any.

 

[Freezewood369]

ok,thanks,is a shame these not going to have sex animations but it's fine too.

 

[jokuur]

looks like domcaid will stay and there is no other way to get threesome scene anymore than gallery, all because they are afraid of patreon idiotic rules which are holding back creativity of developers

 

[dragonsix6969]

looks like domcaid will stay and there is no other way to get threesome scene anymore than gallery, all because they are affraid of patreon idiotic rules which are holding back creativity of developers

and not two slimes scene... and with a big kobold...

 

[TheOtherDragonborn]

looks like domcaid will stay and there is no other way to get threesome scene anymore than gallery, all because they are affraid of patreon idiotic rules which are holding back creativity of developers

They explicitly said that they would add that back in in a future update:

Do note that the threesome isn’t possible to trigger in this version. We’ll add that back into the game in the Quality of Life update.
Similarly the CGs used to be for game overs. Going forward we’re going to find a new way to integrate them. For now you’re able to enjoy them from the gallery!

Just give them some time and patience. I am sure they will figure something out to make everyone (or at least mostly everyone) happy in the end.

 

[comexx]

Slime is vaginal, but the wolf is anal. ^^

Nah, I meant the cg scene.

 

[jokuur]

They explicitly said that they would add that back in in a future update:

yeah we shall see about that, until i wont see it i will treat the version i see as the real one, if they do it good if not then meh

 

[DemonWild]

the new mechanic could be turned on or off in the game menu or something. I particularly liked the new mechanics, but the old one is also very interesting

 

[Stuffie]

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[Deleted member 4166997]

Slime is vaginal, but the wolf is anal. ^^

Say Cookiedraggy, since Steam doesn't... eh... support some contries with... ehhhh -_-;... adult games, is there a possibility to buy the finished game somewhere else like on Itch.io maybe? Or perhabs, and this might help, you could sell a censored version on Steam and people can get a patch to de-censor it? That should work for Steam... hopefully. Just asking since Germany (yes... sadly) is one place, where adult games are not supported or sold anymore.

 

[jokuur]

Say Cookiedraggy, since Steam doesn't... eh... support some contries with... ehhhh -_-;... adult games, is there a possibility to buy the finished game somewhere else like on Itch.io maybe? Or perhabs, and this might help, you could sell a censored version on Steam and people can get a patch to de-censor it? That should work for Steam... hopefully. Just asking since Germany (yes... sadly) is one place, where adult games are not supported or sold anymore.

why would u buy it from anywhere censorus? wouldnt it be better to give them few bucks on patreon and then record game on CD?
personally i wouldnt want to buy anything thats censored because someone else dont like view of dicks and vagina in sex game... because its sex game it kinda kills the game for me

 

[Deleted member 4166997]

why would u buy it from anywhere censorus? wouldnt it be better to give them few bucks on patreon and then record game on CD?

I don't support Patreon and their "political views". They are scum in my eyes

It is a common thing for some games on Steam to sold censored, but once you bought it, you follow a link outside Steam and get a patch to change the game into a non-censored game. Some VGs are doing this to sell the game to more people, since Steam gives a damn about foreign adult game laws like in Germany and simply disables adult games there. Another possibility is to sell the key outside Steam. I made the experience that it works with some games like Postal 2 and Hatred. But I'm not sure if it still works, so the patched version would be safer, I believe. But if they sell the finished game on Itch.io, that would help a lot, since Itch.io allows everyone to buy the games there as they are... RAW xD