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Ihavenoidea2004

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Also, I'd just like to add, making a change like this isn't a great idea anyway. Sure the game is still technically early on in development, but it's been around long enough to make a name for itself, and people coming in and liking what they see, only to find out most if not all of it is gonna be changed is going to just put people off and not make them want to support it.
This is especially a detriment when a decent amount are going to be people like me who were trying to keep an eye on it from afar to make sure the developer doesn't abandon the game or milk patreon money, which happens pretty often, especially in nsfw games.
 

karanthos

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Good morning!

I think it's just such a thing with the expectations and the personal wishes.
If you try to approach the matter rationally, you'll notice a few things that have been communicated from the very beginning.

- It was always supposed to be a NSFW game that also had a story.
- The focus was never really supposed to be completely on one thing.
- A certain aversion to the "you lose, you get snu snu concept" as there are 101 Dalmatians of that kind of gameplay.
- Gameplay was and has always been an important focus.

So when you take those things into account, you do get to the point pretty quickly where the decisions make sense and then you tend to be personally disappointed that you did not noticed it and or it was just misunderstood from the very beginning.

At the moment the thread is developing very negatively and I also strongly assume that the Dev will also be scared away by this or has already been scared away. (You can say what you want, but the devs are very communicative and open till now)...

That's why I would rather ask, that suggestions and ideas be discussed instead of letting it go on like this, as I assume Cookie will at least keep lurking in the thread for a while.

K
 

dragonsix6969

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if the game had such a gameplay initially( new one), I would not have paid attention, but now it all looks like the author decided to make a hype on this system (with previous one)
 

Freezewood369

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echidna wars is fine for me,i like vore but i wish that game being two players so i can see two sexy character being devoured together,who knows... probably trapped together and being transformed together in a bee girl inside of that bee abdomen of that queen bee,the only moment i got something from that is when during the boss of the giant worm where some harpy capture our character and during that moment the worm catch us together and get devoured together inside of it while these two get sticky and wet together inside of it,i really love it. :love:

for me,it's looks a little romantic how two characters get squeezed or dissolved together becoming one with these two like fusioning them,how two characters passed their last moments together is something romantic for me,i don't know why but it's ok,I hope they do something like that in this game of kincaid,this remind me when i dreamed with this game where i see a sexy animation of kincaid being trapped inside a frog with some sexy female lizard having fun with her inside of that frog while these two get sticky and wet together,ohhh lovely wet dream. :love:
 

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TakosMilGrau

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I decided to download Pure Onyx just to see if it was in any way a good substitute for Kincaid. It isn't even close. The sex scenes in Pure Onyx are bland, by-the-numbers CG animations without much personality. The inescapable reality is that games like Kincaid are islands of quality in a sea of shit, and I don't want to watch it sink beneath the waves like so many other games.
Please show me when, in any posts in this forum, have I ever said that PO was a good "substitute" for Kincaid. If you didn't learn to interpret text in middle school, that's not my fault.
I merely compared the animations in both games. PO has rapey animations, Kincaid has not. That's literally all I said.

And I 100% agree with you, Kincaid is quality in a sea of shit, but people are being extremely harsh about a change that's not even that drastic.
The art style hasn't changed, gameplay or perspective hasn't changed, CGs haven't changed, it's only one mechanic that changed, and while I understand people being upset about the change, saying that the game will sink into the shit ocean because of this change is being too extreme.
 

Cookiedraggy

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Yes, Cookiedraggy has mentioned that one reason for the change has been personal views on the story and character. However, I wish that was where it ended.
I cited different reasons because that was what's going on in my head at the time. I've always tried to be as transparent as possible with our work and decision making process. That doesn't mean all reasons are weighed the same and even that weighing can change as I mull things over. I think by the way I approached the whole topic it should be obvious that it was not an easy decision for me and I undersand that I didn't merely change a mechanic, I also disappointed people with a specific kink the game was serving, and that's totally understandable.

In game design, the best way to break out of an over-analyzing cycle is by just making the damn thing in different ways, playing it and seeing how it feels, and that's what I've been doing with this build.

It's because the developers have argued that getting rid of defeat-sex improves gameplay and opens up their creativity, that I feel it necessary to defend defeat mechanics. These arguments feel like heavy implications that this change was inevitable, and somehow objectively a better option. When, as many people have already mentioned, there are a multitude of games out there that work perfectly fine and have defeat-sex mechanics.
Please don't understand the change as me saying it's a bad mechanic or that moving away from it was inevitable. Early on I mentioned often that the project grew out of my personal love for these kinds of games.

In game design you will often come to a cross-roads and no matter which one you choose, both would lead to a good game at the end of the road.

I also agree that limitations are good for creativity. I'm working in pixel art and trying to keep my palette choices for rendering light and shadow as low as possible, I understand very well how limitations can be great for art.

Another thing I want to clear up is the whole dom/sub thing. I'm not saying that going forward Kinny will be dom only in all those situations. We're still going with what feels best for the given pairing and what our ideas for them are. I used "Domcaid" because giving Kinny weird names is kind of a meme in our community, it has no deeper implications for how we'll design the sex acts in general, other than having more options for the dynamics.

I hope this can settle soon and in the meantime I will continue to work on the game as hard and as best as I can. If you're disappointed with the direction we're taking things all I can ask is to try it again with fresh eyes after a couple of release cycles. But as I said, I also understand if the game is unenjoyable to you now.
 

dragonsix6969

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this will be settled if the old system is returned, in the meantime, can forget about this project for a while, if you want diversity, then add 2 characters already, but it’s better to have 3, one will be dominant and the second, for example, not.
 

Freezewood369

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ohh... multiple playables characters,differents conversations with enemies and characters but no... i think is fine with kincaid,¿what is her story again?,i forgot what is the story,¿she used to control a space ship and ended in a strange planet where her ship need repairs and she search and investigate the place to get the items to repair her ship?,¿is that true?,¿she is the one and only who drives the ship or there are some crews in it?,probably im confused with this thing of the spaces and planets and the story is more normal.

cookiedraggy,stuffie,¿what is the story of this game again?,i get lost of what happened before,i see in some images of yours there are some bear using the same clothes of kincaid,¿bearcaid is it?,like... she or him... ¿know about her from some long time or just one being a fan about her?.
 

Cookiedraggy

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cookiedraggy,stuffie,¿what is the story of this game again?,i get lost of what happened before,i see in some images of yours there are some bear using the same clothes of kincaid,¿bearcaid is it?,like... she or him... ¿know about her from some long time or just one being a fan about her?.
I haven't revealed a whole lot of the story just yet, we're adding more in the overhaul version we're working on right now. The last few releases did have some cutscenes, tho.

I should also mention that the demo is going to focus on the jungle planet, but there will be a bit of gameplay before she reaches it. It'll serve as both a short tutorial to the game as well as establish some of the background story and characters. ^w^
 
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joeys88

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Another thing I want to clear up is the whole dom/sub thing. I'm not saying that going forward Kinny will be dom only in all those situations. We're still going with what feels best for the given pairing and what our ideas for them are. I used "Domcaid" because giving Kinny weird names is kind of a meme in our community, it has no deeper implications for how we'll design the sex acts in general, other than having more options for the dynamics.
I'm not sure that's the whole issue people are having either. There might be some that only want sub poses, but I think there are also some mourning the loss of the corruption aspect as well. In the old way, kin obviously enjoyed sex with the enemies, but was focused on her mission and losing was more submitting to the pleasure and abandoning the mission(temporarily at least). Whereas in the new method there's no risk of that anymore.

So you're getting hit with a double whammy here.
 

Cookiedraggy

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I'm not sure that's the whole issue people are having either. There might be some that only want sub poses, but I think there are also some mourning the loss of the corruption aspect as well. In the old way, kin obviously enjoyed sex with the enemies, but was focused on her mission and losing was more submitting to the pleasure and abandoning the mission(temporarily at least). Whereas in the new method there's no risk of that anymore.

So you're getting hit with a double whammy here.
Yes, in that paragraph I only talked about the whole "Domcaid" terminology that I used. It was just something I wanted to clear up in addition to the rest, because I saw the term being discussed a couple of times in the thread.

I addressed the step away from the old way of getting grappled as a kink and not just purely a mechanic in the first part of my post.
 
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i was playing this game ever since it was barely releasing, and if not in the most legal way, still. Unable to support it nowadays, i was grinding for hours on no end, trying to get all the scenes and complete the game altogether. Kincaid was one of the games i clearly enjoyed because even if i lost, i was rewarded in a pleasurable way. Now, its disappointing my journey will end there, as with the recent mechanic changes, it honestly doesn't interest me no more. Thanks cookie for making this, but I'm not counting on any reverts further down the road, so this will be a goodbye.
 
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i was playing this game ever since it was barely releasing, and if not in the most legal way, still. Unable to support it nowadays, i was grinding for hours on no end, trying to get all the scenes and complete the game altogether. Kincaid was one of the games i clearly enjoyed because even if i lost, i was rewarded in a pleasurable way. Now, its disappointing my journey will end there, as with the recent mechanic changes, it honestly doesn't interest me no more. Thanks cookie for making this, but I'm not counting on any reverts further down the road, so this will be a goodbye.
Same, I supported the game on patreon, not much, though. I would probably still pick it up on discount but not really interested in the game much anymore. EDIT: Although, its still a better game than 95% of the other games here.
 

DemonWild

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Guys, The game hasn't been released yet initially has a lot to change, and even if it doesn't change, there must be someone who can "Mod" to put Sub and Dom as options.

Don't get angry with the creator because of this.


at some point someone comes along with a mod to add these options, so take it easy
 

jokuur

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Honestly if this game doesn't give me an option to turn on sex on defeat im not play it again.. Please please bring the defeat stuff back...

EDIT:
Well just had atalk with them in the discord, so... Sorry guys, the dom thing will stay, and like the defeat sex i will see myself out. Was nice while it lasted, good luck on the dev, and stuff ;3
BUT i may try modding the game to have defeat sex
and that means they lied to people when they said its only temporary thing, what i think happened was they were afraid of feminist patreon since they are bitching about rape stuff, this game was not even rape imo, it was just submissive sex
but yeah... it was mistake to support them from the beginning, i have regrets

at least i got my SS account which makes me very happy about leaving idiotic Patreon behind, i remember they tried to shift the blame on bankers saying they forced them to do it... well i dont know if they did it or not (doubt they did) as i know how woke people operate and dont care about profit as long as they send the message out even if nobody will like it but it doesnt change the fact that Patreon became unreliable and limiting creators with their rules, especially feminism is being forced out
 
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