But will you guys literally just drop this game just because you now have to click a button instead of being "forced" (never was.) to have sex? thats like throwing away a gold bar because it has a small scratch.
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Is it really? Especially around f95, you may find games that fit your tastes/preferences a lot better.
I'm pretty sure that you love the game, but your personal preferences are getting in your way.
Well, then think about it. Do you have other games with reasonably similar quality like that?
The change to dominant sex was agreed by the Patreon supporters.
If you are a Patreon supporter, you had a chance to make your voice heard.
If the vote didn't work out your way...my apologies, but not really.
Well...your opinion is valued.
That island is not going to sink, as long as you fans keep it afloat (and hopefully support it financially).
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No, first the animation must be polished. Then either a poll to vote for a few choices how the bear CG will look or a default one from the devs will be announced.
so much question and nobody reply me about what i asked for about the pirate ship level and the dock/harbor level. 
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Well, I guess it would be possible? Regarding the different levels, I don't know how many and which "biomes" the devs are going to implement. We already have the jungle, the second level will be snowy mountainranges if I remember correctly.so much question and nobody reply me about what i asked for about the pirate ship level and the dock/harbor level.
Hey, who knows, maybe you'll get your poirate ship matey! ^^
Saw a gallery and got reminded of this game. I played one of the earliest builds before and was considering breaking out the wallet to actually support more than 1 game for once. Then I found out about the Sub -> Dom change.
As for my two cents of why the change kinda sucks: the player character is an explorer, so boning all the natives is her kinda not really doing her job. (If that's not the case, sorry, I don't really remember what the story was, that's the way it felt regardless) But now instead of the sex scenes being her trying to resist the urge to fuck the horny ass natives, it's her actively going out of her way to do so, which straight up feels like it doesn't fit with the presentation of the game, on top of not fitting with the gameplay that got people to like the game to begin with.
Thanks for the warning at least, guess I'll have to try and find something else of this quality
As for my two cents of why the change kinda sucks: the player character is an explorer, so boning all the natives is her kinda not really doing her job. (If that's not the case, sorry, I don't really remember what the story was, that's the way it felt regardless) But now instead of the sex scenes being her trying to resist the urge to fuck the horny ass natives, it's her actively going out of her way to do so, which straight up feels like it doesn't fit with the presentation of the game, on top of not fitting with the gameplay that got people to like the game to begin with.
Thanks for the warning at least, guess I'll have to try and find something else of this quality
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took a while to find it but here it is...
full gallery save for latest update...for now
drop in AppData\Local\Kincaid_2_3
make a backup just in case tho...
Also, I'd just like to add, making a change like this isn't a great idea anyway. Sure the game is still technically early on in development, but it's been around long enough to make a name for itself, and people coming in and liking what they see, only to find out most if not all of it is gonna be changed is going to just put people off and not make them want to support it.
This is especially a detriment when a decent amount are going to be people like me who were trying to keep an eye on it from afar to make sure the developer doesn't abandon the game or milk patreon money, which happens pretty often, especially in nsfw games.
This is especially a detriment when a decent amount are going to be people like me who were trying to keep an eye on it from afar to make sure the developer doesn't abandon the game or milk patreon money, which happens pretty often, especially in nsfw games.
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Good morning!
I think it's just such a thing with the expectations and the personal wishes.
If you try to approach the matter rationally, you'll notice a few things that have been communicated from the very beginning.
- It was always supposed to be a NSFW game that also had a story.
- The focus was never really supposed to be completely on one thing.
- A certain aversion to the "you lose, you get snu snu concept" as there are 101 Dalmatians of that kind of gameplay.
- Gameplay was and has always been an important focus.
So when you take those things into account, you do get to the point pretty quickly where the decisions make sense and then you tend to be personally disappointed that you did not noticed it and or it was just misunderstood from the very beginning.
At the moment the thread is developing very negatively and I also strongly assume that the Dev will also be scared away by this or has already been scared away. (You can say what you want, but the devs are very communicative and open till now)...
That's why I would rather ask, that suggestions and ideas be discussed instead of letting it go on like this, as I assume Cookie will at least keep lurking in the thread for a while.
K
I think it's just such a thing with the expectations and the personal wishes.
If you try to approach the matter rationally, you'll notice a few things that have been communicated from the very beginning.
- It was always supposed to be a NSFW game that also had a story.
- The focus was never really supposed to be completely on one thing.
- A certain aversion to the "you lose, you get snu snu concept" as there are 101 Dalmatians of that kind of gameplay.
- Gameplay was and has always been an important focus.
So when you take those things into account, you do get to the point pretty quickly where the decisions make sense and then you tend to be personally disappointed that you did not noticed it and or it was just misunderstood from the very beginning.
At the moment the thread is developing very negatively and I also strongly assume that the Dev will also be scared away by this or has already been scared away. (You can say what you want, but the devs are very communicative and open till now)...
That's why I would rather ask, that suggestions and ideas be discussed instead of letting it go on like this, as I assume Cookie will at least keep lurking in the thread for a while.
K
Yes, Cookiedraggy has mentioned that one reason for the change has been personal views on the story and character. However, I wish that was where it ended.
I wouldn't ask the developer of Echidna Wars to add normal sex to his game. If Cookiedraggy emphasized personal interests as the only reason for this change, I wouldn't ask him to revert it either. A developer's personal interests are the end all, be all for porn games because passion is the most important factor in whether a game like this ever gets finished.
It's because the developers have argued that getting rid of defeat-sex improves gameplay and opens up their creativity, that I feel it necessary to defend defeat mechanics. These arguments feel like heavy implications that this change was inevitable, and somehow objectively a better option. When, as many people have already mentioned, there are a multitude of games out there that work perfectly fine and have defeat-sex mechanics.
As an engineer, my experience with constraints has been that they actually increase creativity. Limitations force thinking outside the box which, as I understand it, is peak creativity. So I would think that grapples actually increase creativity. However, I recognize that creativity requires passion. So it makes sense that someone who never liked defeat-sex in the first place would find it debilitating to game design.
It's because of this that I think the developers brought this negativity upon themselves. They decided to phrase the change as being reversible if enough disagreed, provoking negative feedback. They decided to focus on how the change affected gameplay, provoking arguments. The change would have gone a whole lot smoother if they just announced from the beginning, "This is it, no going back. We just don't like defeat-sex and think of Kincaid as a more dominant type of girl."
Also, personally, I think this back-and-forth is more interesting than the usual "new build?", "100% save?", "how do I find ____?", and the rare "game dead?" that this thread otherwise consists of.
I wouldn't ask the developer of Echidna Wars to add normal sex to his game. If Cookiedraggy emphasized personal interests as the only reason for this change, I wouldn't ask him to revert it either. A developer's personal interests are the end all, be all for porn games because passion is the most important factor in whether a game like this ever gets finished.
It's because the developers have argued that getting rid of defeat-sex improves gameplay and opens up their creativity, that I feel it necessary to defend defeat mechanics. These arguments feel like heavy implications that this change was inevitable, and somehow objectively a better option. When, as many people have already mentioned, there are a multitude of games out there that work perfectly fine and have defeat-sex mechanics.
As an engineer, my experience with constraints has been that they actually increase creativity. Limitations force thinking outside the box which, as I understand it, is peak creativity. So I would think that grapples actually increase creativity. However, I recognize that creativity requires passion. So it makes sense that someone who never liked defeat-sex in the first place would find it debilitating to game design.
It's because of this that I think the developers brought this negativity upon themselves. They decided to phrase the change as being reversible if enough disagreed, provoking negative feedback. They decided to focus on how the change affected gameplay, provoking arguments. The change would have gone a whole lot smoother if they just announced from the beginning, "This is it, no going back. We just don't like defeat-sex and think of Kincaid as a more dominant type of girl."
Also, personally, I think this back-and-forth is more interesting than the usual "new build?", "100% save?", "how do I find ____?", and the rare "game dead?" that this thread otherwise consists of.
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if the game had such a gameplay initially( new one), I would not have paid attention, but now it all looks like the author decided to make a hype on this system (with previous one)
echidna wars is fine for me,i like vore but i wish that game being two players so i can see two sexy character being devoured together,who knows... probably trapped together and being transformed together in a bee girl inside of that bee abdomen of that queen bee,the only moment i got something from that is when during the boss of the giant worm where some harpy capture our character and during that moment the worm catch us together and get devoured together inside of it while these two get sticky and wet together inside of it,i really love it.
for me,it's looks a little romantic how two characters get squeezed or dissolved together becoming one with these two like fusioning them,how two characters passed their last moments together is something romantic for me,i don't know why but it's ok,I hope they do something like that in this game of kincaid,this remind me when i dreamed with this game where i see a sexy animation of kincaid being trapped inside a frog with some sexy female lizard having fun with her inside of that frog while these two get sticky and wet together,ohhh lovely wet dream.
for me,it's looks a little romantic how two characters get squeezed or dissolved together becoming one with these two like fusioning them,how two characters passed their last moments together is something romantic for me,i don't know why but it's ok,I hope they do something like that in this game of kincaid,this remind me when i dreamed with this game where i see a sexy animation of kincaid being trapped inside a frog with some sexy female lizard having fun with her inside of that frog while these two get sticky and wet together,ohhh lovely wet dream.
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Please show me when, in any posts in this forum, have I ever said that PO was a good "substitute" for Kincaid. If you didn't learn to interpret text in middle school, that's not my fault.
I merely compared the animations in both games. PO has rapey animations, Kincaid has not. That's literally all I said.
And I 100% agree with you, Kincaid is quality in a sea of shit, but people are being extremely harsh about a change that's not even that drastic.
The art style hasn't changed, gameplay or perspective hasn't changed, CGs haven't changed, it's only one mechanic that changed, and while I understand people being upset about the change, saying that the game will sink into the shit ocean because of this change is being too extreme.
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I cited different reasons because that was what's going on in my head at the time. I've always tried to be as transparent as possible with our work and decision making process. That doesn't mean all reasons are weighed the same and even that weighing can change as I mull things over. I think by the way I approached the whole topic it should be obvious that it was not an easy decision for me and I undersand that I didn't merely change a mechanic, I also disappointed people with a specific kink the game was serving, and that's totally understandable.
In game design, the best way to break out of an over-analyzing cycle is by just making the damn thing in different ways, playing it and seeing how it feels, and that's what I've been doing with this build.
Please don't understand the change as me saying it's a bad mechanic or that moving away from it was inevitable. Early on I mentioned often that the project grew out of my personal love for these kinds of games.
In game design you will often come to a cross-roads and no matter which one you choose, both would lead to a good game at the end of the road.
I also agree that limitations are good for creativity. I'm working in pixel art and trying to keep my palette choices for rendering light and shadow as low as possible, I understand very well how limitations can be great for art.
Another thing I want to clear up is the whole dom/sub thing. I'm not saying that going forward Kinny will be dom only in all those situations. We're still going with what feels best for the given pairing and what our ideas for them are. I used "Domcaid" because giving Kinny weird names is kind of a meme in our community, it has no deeper implications for how we'll design the sex acts in general, other than having more options for the dynamics.
I hope this can settle soon and in the meantime I will continue to work on the game as hard and as best as I can. If you're disappointed with the direction we're taking things all I can ask is to try it again with fresh eyes after a couple of release cycles. But as I said, I also understand if the game is unenjoyable to you now.
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this will be settled if the old system is returned, in the meantime, can forget about this project for a while, if you want diversity, then add 2 characters already, but it’s better to have 3, one will be dominant and the second, for example, not.
ohh... multiple playables characters,differents conversations with enemies and characters but no... i think is fine with kincaid,¿what is her story again?,i forgot what is the story,¿she used to control a space ship and ended in a strange planet where her ship need repairs and she search and investigate the place to get the items to repair her ship?,¿is that true?,¿she is the one and only who drives the ship or there are some crews in it?,probably im confused with this thing of the spaces and planets and the story is more normal.
cookiedraggy,stuffie,¿what is the story of this game again?,i get lost of what happened before,i see in some images of yours there are some bear using the same clothes of kincaid,¿bearcaid is it?,like... she or him... ¿know about her from some long time or just one being a fan about her?.
cookiedraggy,stuffie,¿what is the story of this game again?,i get lost of what happened before,i see in some images of yours there are some bear using the same clothes of kincaid,¿bearcaid is it?,like... she or him... ¿know about her from some long time or just one being a fan about her?.