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Landladies, role tags and pressure groups: a proposal

torpedogoat

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Landladies: Whether we are into incest or not: We are all annoyed buy the prevalence of MC's landladies who make no sense as such and are clearly to be meant MC's mothers. The same applies to roommates.

Role tags: Standard practice is to give the player a chance to replace "landlady" by "mother", "rommate" by "sister" etc. Usually this is done by asking the player in the beginning of the play-through what his landlady, rommate etc. should be called. I find this about as annoying as the appearance of false landladies.

Pressure groups: This way of circumventing anti-incest censorship has always been risky. Given recent events (purge of adult games on itch.io and Steam due to Australian pressure group Collective Shout), it has probably become untenable. For example, NiiChan currently has to waste time removing role tags from My Bully is My Lover.

I think the following approach is a good way for Ren'Py games to get rid of the annoyance of asking about the roles, while simultaneously making games less vulnerable to pressure groups:
  1. The values of the role tags should be stored in a new standard file game/roles.rpy.
  2. For each role tag there should be a choice between two possible values. Not asked as part of the story, but as options in the Settings/Preferences.
  3. For each role tag, both possible values should be unrelated to incest. For example, one can choose between "landlady" and "mature friend". Between "roommate" and "childhood friend". In connection with 2, this serves for plausible deniability.
  4. The format of roles.rpy and the most important role tags it defines should be standardized. There should be no error if this file defines additional role tags unknown to the game. Each role tag should be assigned an array of possible values, with the first being the default.
  5. For example, the default value of landlady in roles.rpy should be something like ['landlady', 'mature friend']. The default value of female_roommate should be something like ['roommate', 'childhood friend'].
  6. A universal incest patch would set values such as landlady = ['mother'], male_tenant = ['son'], female_roommate = ['sister'], roommates = ['siblings'].
If developers of Ren'Py games could standardize on this or a similar solution, then incest would always require a mod, and this mod would never have to be distributed for a specific game. This provides plausible deniability (of incest support) that the current standard approach does not. Moreover, we would no longer have to answer a series of role-related questions. Instead, we would just have to install a single patch if we want incest, or do nothing if we don't.
 

c3p0

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Well, and why should a Unity game care about a Ren'Py file?
 

torpedogoat

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Well, and why should a Unity game care about a Ren'Py file?
It obviously shouldn't. Are we in a Unity-related subforum? The vast majority of AVNs are implemented in Ren'Py because it is by far the best tool for the job.
 

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Are we in a Unity-related subforum?
Are we in Ren'Py subforum?
The vast majority of AVNs are implemented in Ren'Py because it is by far the best tool for the job.
Yes, cause Ren'Py is really good for doing an Adult Visual Novel. That couldn't be cause it is an engine for visual novels.
Still, from 3090 games tagged with incest "only" 1787 are using Ren'Py. Thus this solution let 42% of the games out.

And last, but not least, some games do not care about incest, in those games a landlady is only a landlady and the MC has a mother, sister, ..., but neither of them are in the story for sex purpose. Thus this mapping file their would just make mess - but that isn't new and for some people landlady must always be mapped to mom regardless if it make sense or not...
 

torpedogoat

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Are we in Ren'Py subforum?

Yes, cause Ren'Py is really good for doing an Adult Visual Novel. That couldn't be cause it is an engine for visual novels.
Still, from 3090 games tagged with incest "only" 1787 are using Ren'Py. Thus this solution let 42% of the games out.

And last, but not least, some games do not care about incest, in those games a landlady is only a landlady and the MC has a mother, sister, ..., but neither of them are in the story for sex purpose. Thus this mapping file their would just make mess - but that isn't new and for some people landlady must always be mapped to mom regardless if it make sense or not...
Could you perhaps just troll somewhere else?