VN Others Lending My NTR Girlfriend [v0.13.1] [phonegames]

[ryg88]

it still is interesting how the story is based on real people as the dev mentioned at the start. even if there are some artistic liberties, it seems like IRL scenarios like this make less sense compared to fictional scenarios.

 

[Celestial86]

it still is interesting how the story is based on real people as the dev mentioned at the start. even if there are some artistic liberties, it seems like IRL scenarios like this make less sense compared to fictional scenarios.

I'm just wondering how much is actually true. Because I might believe that a lot is coming from the devs mind. Also, I'd love to hear the thoughts of the person this happened. This is something we will never know.

 

[roleplaygame]

Hi everyone,

Just answering your latest comments about the game, I’d like to clarify a bit, if that’s okay.

Since the last update (and in this one too), there’s now an NTS route, where the couple openly discusses their cheating kink. The girlfriend asks the MC to play along with her since they both enjoy the teasing. This means that NTR and NTS events are the same in practice, but with a key difference:

• In NTR, only the boyfriend has the fetish, while she cheats on her own.
• In NTS, they’re a couple who both enjoy the thrill of cheating, roleplaying about it, and having fun discussing about it in their intimacy.

In Chapter 2, they discuss this directly, and in Chapter 10 the MC tells Olivia about it. Basically, you can choose one of the routes (or both, if you’d like to read everything) and decide which story type fits you best.

At the start of Chapter 1, I left a note about this to make it clearer, but based on some of your messages it seems I might not have explained it well enough.

To help with this, I could add more message exchanges between the couple. For example, I could show them planning the cooking class together and having fun with it, or during the convention, Emily calling Michael and her and MC saying that they want to have fun later as a couple. I’ve even been thinking about adding a label during those choices, something like: “This is an NTS dialogue, and this other one is NTR”, to make sure it’s crystal clear.

And I'm saying this because, personally, if I don't like a game or any other type of art/media I don't bomb review or comment bad stuf about it, I simply understand that it isn't for me. Like I'm not into pregnancy kink, so if a game has this route, I simple avoid it and understand I'm not the niche. And even if I were and I might not exactly like this one. Just as I like rock'n'roll music, but it doesn't mean I like all of them.

And I ain't saying what you should or shouldn't do! I'm just trying to make the game more readable for you guys, that are more vocal about leaving bad reviews/comments. I understand that you want to keep playing the game, the NTS path was already a response to your feedback (and for any one else that likes NTS too, of course).

The NTS path was already added partly as a response to feedback from players like you (and also for anyone else who enjoys NTS). For the next update, I’ll try to add more chat between the main couple about enjoying what they’re doing, and if I have enough time, also include labels to clearly show which path is NTR and which is NTS.

How does that sound?

 

[Celestial86]

Hi everyone,

Just answering your latest comments about the game, I’d like to clarify a bit, if that’s okay.

Since the last update (and in this one too), there’s now an NTS route, where the couple openly discusses their cheating kink. The girlfriend asks the MC to play along with her since they both enjoy the teasing. This means that NTR and NTS events are the same in practice, but with a key difference:

• In NTR, only the boyfriend has the fetish, while she cheats on her own.
• In NTS, they’re a couple who both enjoy the thrill of cheating, roleplaying about it, and having fun discussing about it in their intimacy.

In Chapter 2, they discuss this directly, and in Chapter 10 the MC tells Olivia about it. Basically, you can choose one of the routes (or both, if you’d like to read everything) and decide which story type fits you best.

At the start of Chapter 1, I left a note about this to make it clearer, but based on some of your messages it seems I might not have explained it well enough.

To help with this, I could add more message exchanges between the couple. For example, I could show them planning the cooking class together and having fun with it, or during the convention, Emily calling Michael and her and MC saying that they want to have fun later as a couple. I’ve even been thinking about adding a label during those choices, something like: “This is an NTS dialogue, and this other one is NTR”, to make sure it’s crystal clear.

And I'm saying this because, personally, if I don't like a game or any other type of art/media I don't bomb review or comment bad stuf about it, I simply understand that it isn't for me. Like I'm not into pregnancy kink, so if a game has this route, I simple avoid it and understand I'm not the niche. And even if I were and I might not exactly like this one. Just as I like rock'n'roll music, but it doesn't mean I like all of them.

And I ain't saying what you should or shouldn't do! I'm just trying to make the game more readable for you guys, that are more vocal about leaving bad reviews/comments. I understand that you want to keep playing the game, the NTS path was already a response to your feedback (and for any one else that likes NTS too, of course).

The NTS path was already added partly as a response to feedback from players like you (and also for anyone else who enjoys NTS). For the next update, I’ll try to add more chat between the main couple about enjoying what they’re doing, and if I have enough time, also include labels to clearly show which path is NTR and which is NTS.

How does that sound?

Hi dev, firstly thanks for reaching out to us. I'm gonna say it like this, if we can really have a choice between NTR and NTS route in a next update and that from the beginning, I'll say that your game will become so much more enjoyable for me and probably many more others. I seriously believe that this will be a absolute game changer and I'm gonna go full bloom down the NTS road lol. Of course, I'll be playing the NTR route as well, just to see the differencies.

I think that a clear visual choice ( a blue check mark for NTS and a red for NTR would do the trick) will make the game a blast. I think, I'd speak for everyone when i say that we like your Art, even though it's AI. The artwork works really fine and it's kinda unique to what we usually see here.

I think the biggest issue here is not the NTR, I think we are enough degenerates to not be annoyed by it. I think the biggest issue, many have, is the relationship between the MC, his "girlfriend" and his "friends". No one should be treated that way, specially not from people you would consider your friends.

I can't wait to try out the NTS route as soon as it is available, even though I've nothing against NTR, I think the MC has suffered enough for now haha

Have a good one Dev!

 

[ozg82889]

Hi everyone,

Just answering your latest comments about the game, I’d like to clarify a bit, if that’s okay.

Since the last update (and in this one too), there’s now an NTS route, where the couple openly discusses their cheating kink. The girlfriend asks the MC to play along with her since they both enjoy the teasing. This means that NTR and NTS events are the same in practice, but with a key difference:

• In NTR, only the boyfriend has the fetish, while she cheats on her own.
• In NTS, they’re a couple who both enjoy the thrill of cheating, roleplaying about it, and having fun discussing about it in their intimacy.

In Chapter 2, they discuss this directly, and in Chapter 10 the MC tells Olivia about it. Basically, you can choose one of the routes (or both, if you’d like to read everything) and decide which story type fits you best.

At the start of Chapter 1, I left a note about this to make it clearer, but based on some of your messages it seems I might not have explained it well enough.

To help with this, I could add more message exchanges between the couple. For example, I could show them planning the cooking class together and having fun with it, or during the convention, Emily calling Michael and her and MC saying that they want to have fun later as a couple. I’ve even been thinking about adding a label during those choices, something like: “This is an NTS dialogue, and this other one is NTR”, to make sure it’s crystal clear.

And I'm saying this because, personally, if I don't like a game or any other type of art/media I don't bomb review or comment bad stuf about it, I simply understand that it isn't for me. Like I'm not into pregnancy kink, so if a game has this route, I simple avoid it and understand I'm not the niche. And even if I were and I might not exactly like this one. Just as I like rock'n'roll music, but it doesn't mean I like all of them.

And I ain't saying what you should or shouldn't do! I'm just trying to make the game more readable for you guys, that are more vocal about leaving bad reviews/comments. I understand that you want to keep playing the game, the NTS path was already a response to your feedback (and for any one else that likes NTS too, of course).

The NTS path was already added partly as a response to feedback from players like you (and also for anyone else who enjoys NTS). For the next update, I’ll try to add more chat between the main couple about enjoying what they’re doing, and if I have enough time, also include labels to clearly show which path is NTR and which is NTS.

How does that sound?

Just because you don't like what people are saying doesn't make it review bombing.

People are not complaining because they dont like ntr/nts. The issue is that the character writing is not good. The so called friends seem to do everything in their power to shit on and gaslight the mc. Nothing convinces me Emily ever loved the mc and isnt just using him for free rent and cash as she doesn't seem to have a job and i wouldnt believe you if you said she never cheated on mc before the story started. Nothing the mc says gives me the impression he enjoys anything that is happening. I stopped supporting on patreon because of that.

 

[roleplaygame]

Hi dev, firstly thanks for reaching out to us. I'm gonna say it like this, if we can really have a choice between NTR and NTS route in a next update and that from the beginning, I'll say that your game will become so much more enjoyable for me and probably many more others. I seriously believe that this will be a absolute game changer and I'm gonna go full bloom down the NTS road lol. Of course, I'll be playing the NTR route as well, just to see the differencies.

I think that a clear visual choice ( a blue check mark for NTS and a red for NTR would do the trick) will make the game a blast. I think, I'd speak for everyone when i say that we like your Art, even though it's AI. The artwork works really fine and it's kinda unique to what we usually see here.

I think the biggest issue here is not the NTR, I think we are enough degenerates to not be annoyed by it. I think the biggest issue, many have, is the relationship between the MC, his "girlfriend" and his "friends". No one should be treated that way, specially not from people you would consider your friends.

I can't wait to try out the NTS route as soon as it is available, even though I've nothing against NTR, I think the MC has suffered enough for now haha

Have a good one Dev!

Thanks for the words!

Yeah, There is already an NTS path, but I understand it isn't clear and it will benefit a lot having more dialogues in the current chapters and the next ones. I'm already excited to write it!

Just because you don't like what people are saying doesn't make it review bombing.

People are not complaining because they dont like ntr/nts. The issue is that the character writing is not good. The so called friends seem to do everything in their power to shit on and gaslight the mc. Nothing convinces me Emily ever loved the mc and isnt just using him for free rent and cash as she doesn't seem to have a job and i wouldnt believe you if you said she never cheated on mc before the story started. Nothing the mc says gives me the impression he enjoys anything that is happening. I stopped supporting on patreon because of that.

I understand that we might have different opinions on what is review bombing, but this is just an example of what I call a 'review bomb' and I have a few others like that, that drives the rating down. As you can see, there isn't a single line that could be a critic in their review, only 'review' part is "you can't fast forward", which isn't true, you can fast forward.

And about the characters, if you try it as an NTS, it will make a lot more sense when you understand that they're roleplaying with cheating kink. MC is a cuck and they both like the 'soft humiliation' and they love playing like that. As I suggested, I'll implement more dialogues and a label to let people know with option is NTR/NTS, so it will be more clear if you prefer NTR or NTS.

But I won't change the NTR aspect of the game because some of us really like what's happening there. And as a game, we can experience this without been irl, which would definitely suck in many ways. But in a game? I love to experience it!

And I understand that it is just my taste and I'm glad it is for some of you as well. And for you that don't like it but would like to give a chance to the game, there is already an NTS route and I'll make it even better in the next update.

 

[Theadriel]

I actually read the latest reviews (from september) and you pick the only one who is a review bombing, just one.

What you need to understand is that people doesn't care much about NTR/S question.
What is wrong is the terrible personality of EVERY characters. MC lack a brain and spine, FMC is a terrible girlfriend in all aspect and a love bully, both MC friends want to make whatever is possible to make him a carpet everyone walk on with poop shoes and even Olivia now is turning the wrong way (and even worse want her boyfriend to be like him xD).
At this point this game is a self humiliation simulator. I usually feel a bit sorry for cheating stories MCs but in his case he's totally and willingly submitting to the situation.

Maybe when the same critics starts to pill up question your choices. IMO it would have been a better game if you fully embraced the cheating and humiliation genre instead of edging between NTR/S stuff and cheating.

(If it's even slightly from a true story I feel bad for the guy, not for being cheated on openly but for having such a toxic bunch of people around him. Really bad luck)

 

[Wr.Obete]

i rly love this game its 1 of my fav phone like games and im so happy sabrina will join the game well adding nts content is interesting but i hope the ntr wont being less coz of this. wished michael will get all of the girls his godlike (almost) nessie deserves it

 

[aaronboy22]

Thanks for the words!

Yeah, There is already an NTS path, but I understand it isn't clear and it will benefit a lot having more dialogues in the current chapters and the next ones. I'm already excited to write it!



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I understand that we might have different opinions on what is review bombing, but this is just an example of what I call a 'review bomb' and I have a few others like that, that drives the rating down. As you can see, there isn't a single line that could be a critic in their review, only 'review' part is "you can't fast forward", which isn't true, you can fast forward.

And about the characters, if you try it as an NTS, it will make a lot more sense when you understand that they're roleplaying with cheating kink. MC is a cuck and they both like the 'soft humiliation' and they love playing like that. As I suggested, I'll implement more dialogues and a label to let people know with option is NTR/NTS, so it will be more clear if you prefer NTR or NTS.

But I won't change the NTR aspect of the game because some of us really like what's happening there. And as a game, we can experience this without been irl, which would definitely suck in many ways. But in a game? I love to experience it!

And I understand that it is just my taste and I'm glad it is for some of you as well. And for you that don't like it but would like to give a chance to the game, there is already an NTS route and I'll make it even better in the next update.

A bit of cherry picking doesn't disprove the valid criticisms people raise of the nonsensical, unlikable characters. Emily gives no signs of even... liking the MC? treats him like shit at every time when not doing so would even mildly inconvenience her.

paying lip service to her liking him is kinda disproven by her browbeating him into ignoring yelling Michaels name multiple times during sex and forcing him to go beg the guy for her nudes.

Sabrina exists solely to bait the MC into being okay with said treatment.

Michael is the worst person there - which is surprising considering what Emily does to the MC.

Medicine with the poison, the art is really good and the tension building is well done - but that falls apart without good characters to anchor the tension on.

Also, i'm gonna be honest - the NTS feels like a half-hearted band-aid gesture to give the illusion of choice. Would rather a solely NTR path with better characters if made to choose between as-is or that.

 

[strafe555]

I'm on the NTR path since that is more interesting to read, seeing how you come up with the mystery. Doing a pretty good job so far, way better than I expected honestly.

 

[ozg82889]

But I won't change the NTR aspect of the game because some of us really like what's happening there. And as a game, we can experience this without been irl, which would definitely suck in many ways. But in a game? I love to experience it!

The thing is how the characters are writen it doesnt really feel like an ntr. It's supposed to be a bad thing when the love interest is stolen away but with how it's writen it feels like it would be good for those people to be out of his life.

It's like if you knew a person with a physically abusive partner and later you found out the abusive partner cheated and left the relationship. You wouldn't be feeling bad for the person but happy for them as they are now in a better spot.

 

[Celestial86]

The thing is how the characters are writen it doesnt really feel like an ntr. It's supposed to be a bad thing when the love interest is stolen away but with how it's writen it feels like it would be good for those people to be out of his life.

It's like if you knew a person with a physically abusive partner and later you found out the abusive partner cheated and left the relationship. You wouldn't be feeling bad for the person but happy for them as they are now in a better spot.

I agree on this one.

 

[ryg88]

It's like if you knew a person with a physically abusive partner and later you found out the abusive partner cheated and left the relationship. You wouldn't be feeling bad for the person but happy for them as they are now in a better spot.

interestingly, based on some itch.io comments and older posts in this thread, the irl woman who the FMC is based on is actually no longer with the irl boyfriend. it also turned out that the irl woman had affairs also.

 

[Lizzardcheese]

Hi everyone,

Just answering your latest comments about the game, I’d like to clarify a bit, if that’s okay.

Since the last update (and in this one too), there’s now an NTS route, where the couple openly discusses their cheating kink. The girlfriend asks the MC to play along with her since they both enjoy the teasing. This means that NTR and NTS events are the same in practice, but with a key difference:

• In NTR, only the boyfriend has the fetish, while she cheats on her own.
• In NTS, they’re a couple who both enjoy the thrill of cheating, roleplaying about it, and having fun discussing about it in their intimacy.

In Chapter 2, they discuss this directly, and in Chapter 10 the MC tells Olivia about it. Basically, you can choose one of the routes (or both, if you’d like to read everything) and decide which story type fits you best.

At the start of Chapter 1, I left a note about this to make it clearer, but based on some of your messages it seems I might not have explained it well enough.

To help with this, I could add more message exchanges between the couple. For example, I could show them planning the cooking class together and having fun with it, or during the convention, Emily calling Michael and her and MC saying that they want to have fun later as a couple. I’ve even been thinking about adding a label during those choices, something like: “This is an NTS dialogue, and this other one is NTR”, to make sure it’s crystal clear.

And I'm saying this because, personally, if I don't like a game or any other type of art/media I don't bomb review or comment bad stuf about it, I simply understand that it isn't for me. Like I'm not into pregnancy kink, so if a game has this route, I simple avoid it and understand I'm not the niche. And even if I were and I might not exactly like this one. Just as I like rock'n'roll music, but it doesn't mean I like all of them.

And I ain't saying what you should or shouldn't do! I'm just trying to make the game more readable for you guys, that are more vocal about leaving bad reviews/comments. I understand that you want to keep playing the game, the NTS path was already a response to your feedback (and for any one else that likes NTS too, of course).

The NTS path was already added partly as a response to feedback from players like you (and also for anyone else who enjoys NTS). For the next update, I’ll try to add more chat between the main couple about enjoying what they’re doing, and if I have enough time, also include labels to clearly show which path is NTR and which is NTS.

How does that sound?

You're being very open and I really appreciate that. But you always skip over one thing we ask or keep saying. Why do you give the option to say you hate it so many times and nobody cares and then when Olivia finds out it switches to you enjoying it? If you tell your "best friend" (she hates MC clearly) that you hate it, it hurts and you want it to stop, why AS YOUR BEST FRIEND doesnt she help? It's the illusion of choice that makes it annoying.

If you removed those dialogues and never mention that he doesnt like it I'm sure the reviews and comments would be much better. OR if you say you hate it and it hurts, why isn't there an early ending where you leave her? I'm sure that could be 3 or 4 pics and a couple paragraphs of dialogue. I'd suggest right after he goes and finds her shopping. Because nobody who says they hate it would stay after that mess. It's a small branch off, but seriously would up the reviews and comments. You gave us all a dead end there, you can say you hate it over and over and then that choice is gone.

 

[welajo1819]

good

 

[ffive]

Also, i'm gonna be honest - the NTS feels like a half-hearted band-aid gesture to give the illusion of choice. Would rather a solely NTR path with better characters if made to choose between as-is or that.

I do appreciate the author trying to address the concerns and providing this option. Originally the game only really had this NTR path and as you can see through the thread this caused a lot of complaints. So i don't think keeping it this way would be better. "Better characters" are quite unrealistic alternative at this point, since you'd be effectively asking for rewrite of entire game from the ground up.

 

[Theadriel]

I do appreciate the author trying to address the concerns and providing this option. Originally the game only really had this NTR path and as you can see through the thread this caused a lot of complaints. So i don't think keeping it this way would be better. "Better characters" are quite unrealistic alternative at this point, since you'd be effectively asking for rewrite of entire game from the ground up.

easy alternative: remove NTR/S from tag and title, change the game name to "my cheating girlfriend", use cheating and humiliation tags instead and don't bother adding more "compromising" text lines that weren't meant to be there from the start.

 

[ffive]

easy alternative: remove NTR/S from tag and title, change the game name to "my cheating girlfriend", use cheating and humiliation tags instead and don't bother adding more "compromising" text lines that weren't meant to be there from the start.

Sure but it doesn't change the fact all you'd be doing this way is to limit the potential playerbase to only these who are into hard NTR and not into a more consensual variant of "cheating". Which i don't think it's a better alternative.

 

[roleplaygame]

You're being very open and I really appreciate that. But you always skip over one thing we ask or keep saying. Why do you give the option to say you hate it so many times and nobody cares and then when Olivia finds out it switches to you enjoying it? If you tell your "best friend" (she hates MC clearly) that you hate it, it hurts and you want it to stop, why AS YOUR BEST FRIEND doesnt she help? It's the illusion of choice that makes it annoying.

If you removed those dialogues and never mention that he doesnt like it I'm sure the reviews and comments would be much better. OR if you say you hate it and it hurts, why isn't there an early ending where you leave her? I'm sure that could be 3 or 4 pics and a couple paragraphs of dialogue. I'd suggest right after he goes and finds her shopping. Because nobody who says they hate it would stay after that mess. It's a small branch off, but seriously would up the reviews and comments. You gave us all a dead end there, you can say you hate it over and over and then that choice is gone.

Thanks for the comment! Let me share my view about the “option to say you hate.” For me, it’s all about the internal conflict. Not everyone is ready to accept it, but at the same time it’s a huge turn-on. So while the MC might say he isn’t sure, he’s still conflicted about whether he actually wants it or not.

As for Olivia in Chapter 10, that part shows how he’s evolving. In Chapters 1–5 he’s much more conflicted, but slowly he allows her to continue in the NTR route. By Chapters 10–12, there’s far less conflict, he’s more accepting of what’s happening. The internal conflict is still there, just not as strong.

That said, I do understand I might be giving the wrong impression here. While working on Chapters 6–9, I actually discussed with people on Discord whether they’d want a way to “exit” the story and why. From my perspective, I wasn’t sure why someone would want to end it early if it’s an NTR/NTS story. For example, if I dislike a normie game, I don’t expect to end it quickly just because I didn’t enjoy it, I know there’s still more content for those who do.

But if it would improve the experience, I’m open to adding endings. Please let me know how you’d like to see them handled. For example: should each event have a possible “way out”? Should there be a confrontation where the MC gets angry and decides to end the relationship? I already have the next month’s work planned, but that’s something I could implement after.

But I really don't want to remove the conflict because a lot of us are in the same situation when discuss NTR/NTS/cuckold. You would love to see your girlfriend/wife but at the same time you don't want to leave the 'fantasy realm' for it. So this game is a way to make this fantasy fulfilled, while still been just a game (means this is fortunately not real life).

The MC being “beta” and the other characters being cruel to some degree are by design. In real life, it would probably suck to be in this type of relationship, but here it’s fiction. And when I say “based on real life,” I just mean the premise came from something that actually happened (lending for a night). Things obviously went badly in reality, but my NTR brain took that idea and escalated it into a full game.

So yeah, let me know if the idea of confrontations after each event would make the game better for you. Just because I don’t fully get why it would help doesn’t mean I can’t add it.

And again, thanks a lot for the constructive comment! It helps me understand the negative reviews and what you expect to make the game better.

 

[Lizzardcheese]

Thanks for the comment! Let me share my view about the “option to say you hate.” For me, it’s all about the internal conflict. Not everyone is ready to accept it, but at the same time it’s a huge turn-on. So while the MC might say he isn’t sure, he’s still conflicted about whether he actually wants it or not.

As for Olivia in Chapter 10, that part shows how he’s evolving. In Chapters 1–5 he’s much more conflicted, but slowly he allows her to continue in the NTR route. By Chapters 10–12, there’s far less conflict, he’s more accepting of what’s happening. The internal conflict is still there, just not as strong.

That said, I do understand I might be giving the wrong impression here. While working on Chapters 6–9, I actually discussed with people on Discord whether they’d want a way to “exit” the story and why. From my perspective, I wasn’t sure why someone would want to end it early if it’s an NTR/NTS story. For example, if I dislike a normie game, I don’t expect to end it quickly just because I didn’t enjoy it, I know there’s still more content for those who do.

But if it would improve the experience, I’m open to adding endings. Please let me know how you’d like to see them handled. For example: should each event have a possible “way out”? Should there be a confrontation where the MC gets angry and decides to end the relationship? I already have the next month’s work planned, but that’s something I could implement after.

But I really don't want to remove the conflict because a lot of us are in the same situation when discuss NTR/NTS/cuckold. You would love to see your girlfriend/wife but at the same time you don't want to leave the 'fantasy realm' for it. So this game is a way to make this fantasy fulfilled, while still been just a game (means this is fortunately not real life).

The MC being “beta” and the other characters being cruel to some degree are by design. In real life, it would probably suck to be in this type of relationship, but here it’s fiction. And when I say “based on real life,” I just mean the premise came from something that actually happened (lending for a night). Things obviously went badly in reality, but my NTR brain took that idea and escalated it into a full game.

So yeah, let me know if the idea of confrontations after each event would make the game better for you. Just because I don’t fully get why it would help doesn’t mean I can’t add it.

And again, thanks a lot for the constructive comment! It helps me understand the negative reviews and what you expect to make the game better.

Definitely not after each event, i would suggest two or three. After he goes and finds her shopping because thats such a betreyal on both their parts worth her lying (even if he was coming around). And the second when she stops sleeping with or blowing you because she only wants him now. Because while he might find the acts hot, shes still his gf kinda and her outright refusing him to pleasure another guy is a good breaking point. Maybe an option when Olivia finds out, telling her you want to leave but are scared and she gives you courage.

After that hes definitely all in so it makes sense to not have any more.

I can see where youre coming from, maybe have a chat with your friend about how you kept saying you didnt like it but its grown on you or something to actually show his narrative change. Because right now its sudden and no warning if you choose those options every time.

I think what gives a good ntr game is the choice to stay. Then its our/his choice amd it doesnt seem so bleak all the time (which is what most negative comments and reviews say)