Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

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My guess is that post-reset the changes won't be as big as most people seem to think. The biggest one is that Maya will have been reset, and she'll be Just Another Girl in the class. Having no memory of the previous resets, she'll be chasing after Sensei like everyone else and he'll realize he can now bone her if he wants, but it's going to be pretty unsatisfying since it's not the "real" Maya. Toss up wether her lust stat will actually unlock (but all sex is pointedly angsty and empty) or Sensei will avoid touching her like he does Imani. Either way it's going to be depressing.

My money is that there will be terrible sex scenes with Maya, so Sel can make some kind of point about how people that wanted to fuck Maya now have their wish, but it's corrupted to Monkey's Paw levels.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Considering the next update is a Christmas update, what do people think/speculate/hope to see with it coming right after a reset of this caliber?

HOPE we see this outfit in action

 

[JelF547]

BTW, I think we might process to second hight school year. First of all, spring, season of growth. Secondary, reset roles switch might be because bigger cycle comes to end and all this clockwork associations reminded me that clock have multiple hands and bigger reset means bigger hand moving.

I also thought about role switch stuff (it is a real role switch, I.e. Sensei becomes "reset-guy" and Ayane/reseted Maya becomes "protagonist-girl", not just Sensei is now also doing resets). I strongly love the idea that it would not be the first switch and Maya had memories of previous big switch. It explains a lot:
1) Maya cannot tell Sensei about it, because it is "forbidden" memories
2) Maya cannot tell Ayane about it, because Ayane's existence means Maya would be reset soon and it is realy hard thing to tell
3) But it is exactly why Maya got so pissed by the fact Ayane made it to the roof in 3rd reset and immediately thought about pregnancy. It was just after her test of courage, but netherless she started to think a lot about her own reseting after it.
4) Maya knowns a lot of shit she cannot explain because she was only told about it

Also, if year would be switched in next update, this theory would also explain reset-related demeanors in events we thought was "pre-resets". Cannot find it right now, but AFAIR Sensei already had thoughts about how time is strange while he tutored Noriko. Or it was Maya, don't sure, maybe they both.

Overall, we finnaly reached phase where reset-theories can be at least disproven, nice.

PS cannot get rid of though that previous reset-girl was Ami. Don't now how might it impact future events, but is somehow sounds logical

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

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[Wayne193]

Any saves before this update?

 

[Acerdade]

Anyone else getting just 3 dots on repeat after the last event? I can skip through it and tried skipping it for a while, but it just keeps looping back. Sorry if this question was already asked before. Thanks.

 

[Bingoogus]

Anyone else getting just 3 dots on repeat after the last event? I can skip through it and tried skipping it for a while, but it just keeps looping back. Sorry if this question was already asked before. Thanks.

Yes, that's intended, it's a cliffhanger ending so the next update will pick up right from there.

 

[BlackDays]

Does anyone have an idea what Yasu might be meaning with 23?
She says that 22 is gone and 24 is wrong, or feels wrong, so it has to be 23.
Given that specific description, i came up with only limited possibilities as of now.

Most likely so far, that 23 might be either:
The 23rd reset, or
the 23rd iteration of Akira.

Till now i guess the majority of us assumed that the cycles went on for an indefinite, but ass long, amount of time or cycle count.
While i don't even know where that assumption might have come from exactly.
Also a faction of readers just think that Maya might had her memories altered.
Given that, it would be possible, that she thought she was longer captured inside the cycles than she really was.

 

[Bingoogus]

Given that, it would be possible, that she thought she was longer captured inside the cycles than she really was.

That was exactly Tsuneyo's point and one nobody has a fact based response to, we don't have the information needed to know what the truth is, this 'run' could be the very first one ever and all the memories Maya has are false as fuck, or she could've been trapped for thousands of years, or she could've been trapped for thousands of years, got reset and started over anew an infinite number of times. We have no idea and nothing but a whole lot of conjecture.

 

[BlackDays]

That was exactly Tsuneyo's point and one nobody has a fact based response to, we don't have the information needed to know what the truth is, this 'run' could be the very first one ever and all the memories Maya has are false as fuck, or she could've been trapped for thousands of years, or she could've been trapped for thousands of years, got reset and started over anew an infinite number of times. We have no idea and nothing but a whole lot of conjecture.

This is really starting to worry me.
I said it before, and will do it again.
Lil is starting to crumble under it's own weight.

Miku's revelation? Was good, unexpected, flat, but good. Because more facts to cling to.

But what about the dozens of questions still unanswered?
And Sel inserting rants and Bojack Horseman stuff doesn't help.
It makes it feel like he's trying to insert excuses in advance, for whatever inconsistencies might have shown up in the story, or will show up.
Is he believing people will just go along with the story and don't think about it?
Like people don't need an explanation at all, and will go on mindlessly?

I always thought that he had planned everything out and is just crafting the details inside the story.
But nowadays, it feels like as if in the end, he might come up with a:
Most of the stuff never had a meaning, just get along with it.
Or, everything was just a trip. (Akira in mental health clinic or whatever.)

It might be even worse.
Maybe people coming up with theories give him a hard time.
As if he felt compelled to ship around at least those theories that come close to the major plot core, so he can keep Lil alive as long as he intends, without people feeling "fed".

I just feel that there has to be a better way.
I miss tangible plot points.

/rant maybe, not pointed towards you ofc.

 

[DeSkel15]

Does anyone have an idea what Yasu might be meaning with 23?
She says that 22 is gone and 24 is wrong, or feels wrong, so it has to be 23.
Given that specific description, i came up with only limited possibilities as of now.

Most likely so far, that 23 might be either:
The 23rd reset, or
the 23rd iteration of Akira.

Till now i guess the majority of us assumed that the cycles went on for an indefinite, but ass long, amount of time or cycle count.
While i don't even know where that assumption might have come from exactly.
Also a faction of readers just think that Maya might had her memories altered.
Given that, it would be possible, that she thought she was longer captured inside the cycles than she really was.

It seems like 23 is this world. Kumon-mi. Presumably the 23rd world out of who knows how many.

It's why Yasu says it's where they are:

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Terminal 23 also seems to always refer to this world and the characters within. It's what Users tend to use to affect things, as shown all the way back in 'The Scary Room' Main Event:

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And in the Trinity p3 Happy Event:

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It's also what Sensei enters when trying to get User2 to help him back in the 'There is Nothing' Main Event.

I think only the likes of Yasu, and Nodoka (besides Supernatural entities):

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Are actually aware of other worlds. Sensei probably is, but he's also insane, so that doesn't help much.

Nodoka also seems to think this world is a mistake:

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"The Upside Down House", "The Wishing Well"/"The Library", and "The Pareidolia Mall" seem like they might be other worlds as well. "The Bottom of Everything" where HOPE resides might be a world as well. I also assume that where ever Sel's other game and characters reside are other worlds.

Lessons in Love definitely seems to actually be a Multiverse with various Universes or Worlds:

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[BlackDays]

It seems like 23 is this world. Kumon-mi. Presumably the 23rd world out of who knows how many.

It's why Yasu says it's where they are:

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Terminal 23 also seems to always refer to this world and the characters within. It's what Users tend to use to affect things, as shown all the way back in 'The Scary Room' Main Event:

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It's also what Sensei enters when trying to get User2 to help him back in the 'There is Nothing' Main Event.

I think only the likes of Yasu, and Nodoka (besides Supernatural entities):

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Are actually aware of other worlds. Sensei probably is, but he's also insane, so that doesn't help much.

Nodoka also seems to think this world is a mistake:

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"The Upside Down House", "The Wishing Well"/"The Library", and "The Pareidolia Mall" seem like they might be other worlds as well. "The Bottom of Everything" where HOPE resides might be a world as well. I also assume that where ever Sel's other game and characters reside are other worlds.

Lessons in Love definitely seems to actually be a Multiverse with various Universes or Worlds:

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Hm yeah, that would maybe go along with Yasu saying somthing like: "The city is moving".
Almost feels like the whole alien war shit has a meaning.
Even kinda feels like the "Ark: Survival evolved" stuff. Are we on the Aberration Ark?

Though, while i support the multiple layers of reality/worlds stuff, Yasu saying that 22 is gone, is counter intuitive.
There was no reason to believe that any other "Universe" or other world ceased to exist.
Only, as far as i see it, iterations of the reality we are in. Meaning resets. Or Akira.

But, since terminal 23 never changed, but resets occured and changed kind of reality with it, that would leave Akira.
Throughout the game and our pov, he is the only constant. Meaning he did not get reset for the time we "observed" him.
That could make him the 23rd iteration of himself up to now.

 

[DeSkel15]

Hm yeah, that would maybe go along with Yasu saying somthing like: "The city is moving".
Almost feels like the whole alien war shit has a meaning.
Even kinda feels like the "Ark: Survival evolved" stuff. Are we on the Aberration Ark?

Though, while i support the multiple layers of reality/worlds stuff, Yasu saying that 22 is gone, is counter intuitive.
There was no reason to believe that any other "Universe" or other world ceased to exist.
Only, as far as i see it, iterations of the reality we are in. Meaning resets. Or Akira.

But, since terminal 23 never changed, but resets occured and changed kind of reality with it, that would leave Akira.
Throughout the game and our pov, he is the only constant. Meaning he did not get reset for the time we "observed" him.
That could make him the 23rd iteration of himself up to now.

Honestly, It's possible that "Akira"/Sensei isn't actually important in the grand scheme of things. Nao seems to suggest this:

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He might just be a character made for the 23rd world.

Yuu:

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Could have been a "protagonist" for a past world. Perhaps the 22nd which is gone. He also seems to be the father of Sensei. Nao seems to imply there's a generational thing going on:

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Overall: Yasu simply seems aware that the 22nd World is gone, and this World isn't the 24th:

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So, it has to be the 23rd. Why she knows this shit, idk though.

Amy also seems like she was from another world, which might be gone now:

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Sensei being the 23rd version of himself isn't impossible, but it seems a little unlikely. Maybe the 23rd "Protagonist" for the 23rd World though.

 

[BlackDays]

Could have been a "protagonist" for a past world. Perhaps the 22nd which is gone. He also seems to be the father of Sensei. Nao seems to imply there's a generational thing going on:

Please, for the love of whatever deity you believe in, keep the context intact.
She/it set it in context to ants.
How ant's, in this case, the offspring of a queen ant, would carry away their dead.
Please don't leave something like that out, it just taints what you want to convey.

 

[DeSkel15]

Please, for the love of whatever deity you believe in, keep the context intact.
She/it set it in context to ants.
How ant's, in this case, the offspring of a queen ant, would carry away their dead.
Please don't leave something like that out, it just taints what you want to convey.

Nao literally says "Your". Not just an Ant's. Sensei's life is being compared to an Ant's, but it's still Sensei she is referring to, not some random queen ant that you're adding in for some reason.

I don't think you got the context here. Let alone the point.

 

[BlackDays]

Ok, here are some additional thoughts on "Girls Just Want to Have Fun".

This is the sequence of images in order, leaving out Sana's "..." one or two times.

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As i see it, Akira is not talking to some invisible Sekai, but is having that conversation to himself.
Meaning whatever Sekai might be, it/she seems to be in his head alone.
Unless this makes sense for someone else.

Then there is:

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That's a Sekai sentence. Correct me if i'm wong, but i never saw someone else saying that besides Sekai.
How'd she get into Sana?
/e A couple of other girls used the good boy term on Akira in the past. Doesn't change that it's special in that scene.

Wanne know what all images inside "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" are named like?
It's "FuckHerDoItYouPussyDoIt".
It just reinforces the thought that Sana was the actual target of "Take something that doesn't belong to you.".
How long was Sana in this state? The masturbation frenzy.
Feels like Hope "infected" her with that, to make her an easy and viable target for Akira to jump on, and take something that does not belong to him.
Just that Akira for what ever reason, for a rare occasion, refused to do so.
And that, might be the reason why things went the way they did.

Sana: "Forget what i told you about triangles."
What i found was:
It's explained that, for one inside a triangle, it's hard to break through a line, without leaving a point behind or something.
This roughly translates to, as far as i understand, that when Sana tries to come close to Akira, she would grow distance to her friends, or hurt them. That's why she kept her distance.

That's why she wants him to forget about that, what she said about it.
Now, she want's to be close to him. Due to whatever is going on with her.

Another thing.

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It's about:
Why does Akira has to take "Something that doesn't belong to him", if he, by Sekai's saying, already did it?
Answer = image.

I'm not sure what is meant by that.
Does it mean:
To save someone else this time? Or,
to satisfy another entity this time.

Because,
Oh boy, has Akira to rape another victim during spring?
(Fuck you Pareidolia if that's the case.)

/e
So sad that i have to do this but:
Disclaimer: This is a what if scenario. I might have forgotten to put everything into conditional sentences, but... yada yada Fook Yu.

 

[BlackDays]

Nao literally says "Your". Not just an Ant's. Sensei's life is being compared to an Ant's, but it's still Sensei she is referring to, not some random queen ant that you're adding in for some reason.

I don't think you got the context here. Let alone the point.

First of all, don't get me wrong, i'm not try to make fun of you or something, but you accidentally posted that picture twice before the edit, not?
Because else, i don't see a difference.

/e
The other thing is, that you don't give other people the chance to see the metaphor. You just did not deliver the context.
The context might suggest that Nao is reffering to Akira as the ant queen. Hence why he might "shrivel up and die and have" HIS "offspring carry him away".
Can you see it now?

 

[DeSkel15]

First of all, don't get me wrong, i'm not try to make fun of you or something, but you accidentally posted that picture twice before the edit, not?
Because else, i don't see a difference.

I didn't post that picture twice. I added: "Maybe the 23rd "Protagonist" for the 23rd World though." on my last edit.

For whatever reason your post of my quote 13 minutes after my last edit still had two pics of the same thing, though:

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I'm assuming it's just a glitch, presumably caused by you editing it, since your quote doesn't even have the pictures in a Spoiler, which I always have them in, showing that you apparently deleted that part of my post.

In other words: It should have looked like this:

Could have been a "protagonist" for a past world. Perhaps the 22nd which is gone. He also seems to be the father of Sensei. Nao seems to imply there's a generational thing going on:

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Without the editing on your part.

Why does this matter anyway?

 

[fdsasdf_p]

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That's a Sekai sentence. Correct me if i'm wong, but i never saw someone else saying that besides Sekai.
How'd she get into Sana?

My scary suspicion is that Sana is actively manipulating Sensei into touching her (really don't want to place accusation on our angel...). She can't stop her craving; and after witnessing Sensei either talking to a ghost only he can see or simply hallucinating, she now starts to figure out the effective way to coerce him into what she wants. She doesn't even stutter during it, she just let her burning fervor and her just gained knowledge do the work.
(Also unironically, good boy is the name of the happy event you can get if you fuck her mom; but I'd say for now it's a throwback rather than actually meaning something)

Wanne know what all images inside "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" are named like?
It's "FuckHerDoItYouPussyDoIt".
It just reinforces the thought that Sana was the actual target of "Take something that doesn't belong to you.".
How long was Sana in this state? The masturbation frenzy.
Feels like Hope "infected" her with that, to make her an easy and viable target for Akira to jump on, and take something that does not belong to him.
Just that Akira for what ever reason, for a rare occasion, refused to do so.
And that, might be the reason why things went the way they did.

Yasu may have also qualified as "something that doesn't belong to you" during the weird journey in Glossolalia, but it does look like Sana is the "correct" girl for finishing his homework's, and HOPE is putting efforts into prepping Sana and paving the path.

But your interesting thought gives me something to think about what qualifies. Many options have been extensively interrogated here: vaginal sex with a virgin you haven't claimed, any sex without consent, any sex that's underage, or the previous actions but with a specifically designated person, etc. Since Nodoka doesn't count, it implies there's more than plain sex with a high schooler virgin.

My current thought is "to have vaginal sex with a girl under celestial influence", which resonates with one of the blue balloon scenes in Eighth Eye of the Wolf Spider that says "We (the three gods) never learned how to feel. But through you, we can."

The following examples are scenarios that I think that qualify:
- Molly began to "feel kinda weird" after receiving 6 million affection points from USER2 via Sensei
(this rape sequence is also currently the only action confirmed to be qualified)

- Yasu during Glossolalia when she was under HOPE's control. According to HOPE, "AND WHY IS IT NOT THE VERY VESSEL I COME TO YOU IN NOW???"

- Sana during It Comes to Claim Us All might be the first chance Sensei had to submit his homework as HOPE started its infection there. If that's true, the following Ad Infinitum feels like HOPE (or whatever it is) showing up, reprimanding Sana for not following through, and asking her to submit.

- And of course his last chance is with Sana in Girls Just Want to Have Fun; she's been under HOPE's influence since summer started, and should qualify as a proper target (if this is true, it'll probably also remove the consent element from the requirement)

 

[BlackDays]

I didn't post that picture twice. I added: "Maybe the 23rd "Protagonist" for the 23rd World though." on my last edit.

For whatever reason your post of my quote 13 minutes after my last edit still had two pics of the same thing, though:

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I'm assuming it's just a glitch, presumably caused by you editing it, since your quote doesn't even have the pictures in a Spoiler, which I always have them in, showing that you apparently deleted that part of my post.

In other words: It should have looked like this:
Without the editing on your part.

Why does this matter anyway?

I just quoted the part i wanted to answer to, no editing involved.
And yeah, it's not important (unless you want to be understood correctly). I just wanted to make sure that both images where the same, or not, because i couldn't see a difference. Yet you see it as an attack. Which i tried to make clear was not the case.

It's just about understanding. You want to be understood, i guess. So if something feels off, for me, i have to make sure.