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The Chapter 1 rewrite occurs mid Chapter 3 iirc, may be fair to assume that Sel solidified parts of this company idea during that time as The Chapter 1 rewrite inserts Himi into events like The Room With Clocks. I am of the opinion without actually looking back at the text that both Naos and The Old One are the type of anomalies unique to t23, and more than just trying to identify what makes T23 unique compared to "normal" worlds
I was literally just thinking about this actually. It's unquestionably possible that she'd kill herself and she extremely unhinged during that point in the story so I can imagine her doing it in a fucked up way.

On the flip side prior to that we can see the thing that definitely doesn't follow Akira to Kaori's apartment in the background so there's that. Or maybe it's whoever stabs TSS Shota when he's bad?

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Could still be "assisted" suicide. Seeing the state of Dorm 4 this update, she could just trigger someone into a breakdown and let herself be killed.
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If Himawari was the same, then Maya wouldn't be an anomaly
Her pocket dimension is rather small and might be hidden from corporation, considering she is a rule-breaker and can possibly know where to hide it from gods' gaze.
But what made me uncomfortable is a huge fucking Moon. Did someone notice it? After all it would mean a huge entity (whoever represents itself as a White Moon) found Terminal 23 and to extension Himawari's little world amusing, since the entity didn't react at all. This could lead to a disaster where Himawari could possibly disappear for real because of hee being an anomaly born by anomaly.
Or the White Moon can be... Himawari herself, an actual Himawari, not her copy in that world. But I have no proofs to any of my words.


Maya's a Sensei wish, and the world is a wish of Maya (which isn't supposed to be allowed... alright.) But, since Himawari told us that, that world is what allow Ayane and Sensei to conceive her, so she is the result (or a form of) of the wish from a wish?

Is it just me or... it doesn't make any sense? It seems to imply that Maya must exist (and wish for that world) to allow Himawari to be conceived... and so, Himawari fight to keep that world afloat?
Isn't that the worst time paradox ever?

Also, and I don't know why, but... «teen» Himawari (the one's oblivious about the reset) give me a strong Maya «vibe». And so, I still think she's tied to Maya in a extent... or Maya is the manifestation of a «perfect» daughter from Sensei perspective (which bring a lot more question about all the incest
That's what I am talking about. Hima-chan's existence is just an anomaly... Well, if we exclude obvious time-travel stuff, which is an anomaly in 99% of fiction stories.
But again, even if Himawari is a wish just like Maya... It doesn't mean they're not real at this point. They made of flesh and blood, they have feelings. Sensei made the same point after all.


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Yes! I'm going to stay with this headcanon/theory that Himawari is the wish made by Ayane.
After all, what Ayane wants the most? A happy family, loving daughter with Akira. Alas, it couldn't be possible in Terminal 23 (or whatever this world called), which is why she possibly wish for her child to be born outside of this hell. So Himawari became a manifestation of what Ayane's PERFECT daughter would look like, yet she's not from this world. She just popped into existence just like Maya, but unlike Maya she popped outside of Kumon-Me and Terminal 23 in general.


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Full Spoilers and Massive amounts of tin foil:

So is "Our Akira" Akira 1, 2, or >3?

Akira 1 is ostensibly OG "Real World". People who live in the worlds who are not specifically created by the wish seem to be considered "Real People" along with the inhabitants of the OG world. OG world people seem to have a "higher status" then the "normal people" of all the other worlds given how Himawari speaks about them. Regardless, the wish world generated people seem to count as "real" in that wishes can be granted.

Since we now have hard evidence the Himawari is a real flesh and blood daughter, doesn't her definition of who's "normal people" mean that she can come from a world created by a wish?

If she originates from a wish world, wouldn't that make her existence as a "real person" (whose own wish is also demonstrably shown to work without any surprise) be true no matter how far down the rabbit hole she comes from?

With that in mind, the world really IS breaking because of Maya. "Our Maya" is Maya 2 from World 3 (Our current broken world).

Maya 1 was created as a Wish by World 1 "OG" Akira, which brings with it by default a new world (World 2). Everyone outside of Maya 1 is considered a "real Person" whose wish can be granted. Maya 1's Akira commits suicide, and she wished for the repeating Freshman year world the game is set in. Our World, World 3.

This should not be possible, given Maya 1 is a wish given form and not a "Real Person". However, since Maya 1's love/wish was so strong it somehow worked breaking the laws of reality. This is what gives the world its unstable nature.

Maya Prime (Maya 2) building belief of Sensei being the ACTUAL Sensei throughout Act 1 pushes her mind to the breaking point. She's insanely hopeful/certain that it really is him after receiving the scarf, but also immediately calls herself "the unluckiest girl in the world".

I think she always knew exactly why she was the unluckiest girl in the world.

Prime Maya (Maya 2) knew it was a wish world. She lied to us the whole time to a greater extent then we thought. Parallel timeline Maya admitted to experimenting with girls and various relationships in the parallel timeline whereas our Maya said differently. Parallel Maya also pointed out a handful of Prime Maya's other half-truths/lies. Everything deeply related to the nature of the world that was learned from Prime Maya has to be looked at with doubt in mind.

She knew that her Sensei's were always going to be imitations with varying imperfections. It seems whatever went wrong in Himawari's timeline caused Sensei's "soul" to "become available" and by pure chance manifested in the the Prime Maya wish world.

She finally got what she truly wished for, her real Akira. He now existed in her personal infinite world. She had only known for millions of years nothing but disappointment "fake" Akira's. Her codependency and jealousy skyrockets.

We see this essentially in most everything she does and says, always half truths and withholding information that parallel Maya freely passes with. Prime Maya and Parallel Maya both readily admit to being capable of sociopathic decisions/sacrifices, what's a lie here and there to them?

Prime Maya's (Maya 2) story of Vega and Altair is just a less sad version of her existence. At least Altair and Vega got to see each other once a year. Prime Maya (Maya 2) had literally zero hope/interactions with the "Real" Akira save for her memories of (ostensibly) Akira 2 that came from Maya 1's world.

But this is where I reach an impasse.

Both Prime Maya and Himawari seem to claim "Our Akira" as the "real" one to them. Prime Maya's "real" Akira would have to be the same as OG Maya's Akira right? That would infer our Akira is Akira 2. However, if that's true, how does Aoyama timeline exist? Himawari claims in no uncertain terms to be the real flesh and blood daughter of "Our Akira". But wouldn't that be Akira 2 as well?

How can we be both the Akira that leaves with Ayane, and the Akira that commits suicide in Maya 1's world?

IDK brain fried from banger update.


Side Note
I've read a lot of criticism of the writing here, not all unwarranted, for Chapter 4. We get indecisive Akira being sadder and more apathetic then ever, and you can certainly feel the "pause" in the plot progression.

But being able to play through a lot of those seemingly irrelevant and/or plodding events in 1 go instead of waiting each month for the next update gave me an entirely different impression, as I started with .51 and was lucky to skip the waiting.

I can absolutely see them as "frivolous" if I read Chapter 4 in more drip feed fashion. That gets really frustrating after a while, as anyone who was apart of the JJK leaks during peak 236 days can tell ya.

After 2 playthroughs, I think updates like this one give all the benefit of the doubt thats needed. So what if the lore gets a little squirrely. So what if it seems slow. If it gives us more character moments like this update I'm all for it.

This update hit like a ton of bricks. It gave tremendous plot progression and some of the saddest scenes (Himawari resets Akira and Ayane) in compensation for some of the happiest (Entirety of first part of the update).

This is easily a top 3 event chain in the game no matter how you look at it, its self evident.

All and all this was an absolute banger. From character moments to plot progression, I cant think of a more deeply relevent update.
 

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That's what I am talking about. Hima-chan's existence is just an anomaly... Well, if we exclude obvious time-travel stuff, which is an anomaly in 99% of fiction stories.
But again, even if Himawari is a wish just like Maya... It doesn't mean they're not real at this point. They made of flesh and blood, they have feelings. Sensei made the same point after all.
Not an anomaly, but a really surprising conjunction of event, yes. :p
Still, I get what you're saying. It doesn't feel right. And if I don't give my hope into a wish from Ayane, this is absolutely possible. Even my «perfect-meter» was about to burst during that update! Just like with Ami.

Also, since I came out of my shower, during that time I though of something related to one of your guess :
Also, another thing I wanna talk about is Himawari Corp. We already saw it's influence in the past, and considering Himawari's time traveling abilities (if I understand this right) it means she succeeded at some point and decided to change the past once more, but this time as independent entity, not a part of current Godhood' corporation.
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It was a good update. There are a lot of new lore and a lot of new questions.

There are so much Ayane shilling and Ami hating in this thread, I'm really confused. In my opinion, Ayane
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Unlike Ayane,
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If we're doing some analogies,
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bro...
what is this update?
why am i become Akira?
10 minutes in and i screaming like crazy inside, and all of this sweet and heartwarming family bonding hurt me so much,
am i too get used selebus fuck me up with his poetry, and instantly confused and hurt everywhere where his story become like this?
 

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Both Prime Maya and Himawari seem to claim "Our Akira" as the "real" one to them. Prime Maya's "real" Akira would have to be the same as OG Maya's Akira right? That would infer our Akira is Akira 2. However, if that's true, how does Aoyama timeline exist? Himawari claims in no uncertain terms to be the real flesh and blood daughter of "Our Akira". But wouldn't that be Akira 2 as well?

How can we be both the Akira that leaves with Ayane, and the Akira that commits suicide in Maya 1's world?

IDK brain fried from banger update.
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Either way - this update was truly moving. This VN has moved me many, many times, in many, many ways, but not quite to this immense degree. The emotions were so genuinely expressed. There can only be exquisite beauty with some strangeness, indeed. I cried a lot - far more than I expected to even given the scenario - and I have to say at this point my emotional buy-in is pretty complete. It was before, but my coffin has now been well and truly nailed.
 
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I updated the jukebox for anyone who's interested! Lots of good songs in this update.

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Wow... where do I even begin? That two month wait we had was definitely a tough one, but the update made up for it and then some. Sel knocked it out of the fucking park...

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I've gone from curious in the start to dying to know, regarding whatever is happening to Nodoka and whatever else is happening with the upside down house. These pieces that are taking years to fall into place are, killing me.

There is also the possibility Nodoka is talking about the gate, not a house (also please take note that the torii Himawari, presumably, shows us is by a lake).
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Also about toriis, since I started, there's a possibility that Kumon-Mi itself is the space in the middle of the torii, a space between the real and the supernatural. I didn't think about this when I first read it, but take a look:
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I mean, it has been said many times that the things that happen in kumon-mi are both real and not real.

To finish it off, let's go back to Nodoka. Cause apparently she's trying to find Shiori? (or Kyoko) That flew over my head.
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If only Nodoka wasn't Nodoka, cause it's very compelling to see someone literally fighting the world with only fragmented memories of past selves as allies. Each being erased and leaving scraps forward so that one Nodoka might eventually crack the mystery and make their efforts mean something.
 
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