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Pretty sure it can be summed up in a single image of Akira's big penis
Or Himawari's double cock I suppose, depending on the user's preferences.
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Hmm I see; I can see two ways of interpreting what Pareidolia said during the 6th reset though.
Strictly speaking, else alone just means losing Prime Maya is solidly confirmed. To me his statement is somewhere between "Do I need to take something else from you again" and "Do I need to take something else from you as well"; if the former is true then it's Pareidolia who took away Maya Prime, if the latter is true then it's another god, but I honestly cannot make up my mind whether which end is more possible anymore.
Edit: Sensei himself believes to be Pareidolia that took her though.
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I'll take a short line from the latest update that might partly summarize the game. Whether it will make any sense to you, I can't say... well... it probably wont.As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something.
"O, terrible danger. O, big penis sex. O, world and its whirlpool. O, mole ratted necks."
"O, poetry, pottery, lottery, Shrek. O, rhyming - O, timing - On Dasher, On Deck!"
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Not laughing at you — definitely with you.As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something.
This is NOT your typical school harem game. At all.
But I’m guessing you’re already figuring that out.
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Too few lizards might help explain the abundance of spiders.
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I think it is Pareidolia narrating. He's illicitly using USER1's license to fuck with Sana, probably to make her scared of HOPE so that can swoop in as her "savior". Pareidolia shows up in person because someone (maybe Wires, maybe just automated system software) kicks him out from using USER1's account any more. Note that "account sharing is prohibited for new accounts" probably wouldn't apply for USER1's account, but it might for USER3 (as in the system detects that Pareidolia has accessed both USER1 and USER3 from the same "ip address").
I'm pretty sure Pareidolia does something similar with using USER1's account in Rin's Chapter 1 event "Window of the Waking Mind" (there have been a suspicious number of failed logins to USER1's account).
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Interestingly, there's another narrator in "Ad Infinitum" before Sana starts seeing things, who also gets kicked out for improper use of USER1's license. It sounds like they're talking about Yasu's rope metaphor, which would mean the rope is Kumon-mi and/or all of its residents.
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The idea of breathing together is a callback both to the game's first narrator and to what Sensei thinks during the first reset.
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And then one more thing: again, it says account sharing is prohibited for new accounts. Assuming that USER1 isn't the new account, that would mean the narrator has access to a new account. Maybe USER4 is involved?
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As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something.
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I'm having an error loading my save from version 0.40.0, does anyone know a solution or have a save juts before the new update?
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I have a few vague thoughts. Aramaug beat me to some of it, though. Apologies in advance, this will probably be a long one.
Pareidolia echoes what Sara says stating that it's all in Sana's/Akira's head. This seems to be unreliable though, as Pareidolia does that a lot for his own reasons, and Sara is simply trying to convince Sana. Personally, I don't think Pareidolia was the one causing her visions, I think he shows up. Knowing that the visions have happened to Sana before and Sara before that, it isn't unprecedented. Whether User 1 is logged out because of Pareidolia triggering them to be flagged as unauthorized, or logged in himself and booted them off, or it happened automatically, I'm not sure. If you'll humor the idea, I think it's possible that there are three narrators in Ad Infinitum, with Pareidolia obviously being the last. User 1's connection is actually severed twice in ad infinitum. There's the first time, after which the narrator's speech shifts tonally, before it finally becomes erratic.
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As for the specific imagery of Sana being held by the angel in the same way Ami is, it could be a couple things. The angels are interesting, because they don't show up all the time, and most of the time it's during Akira's delusions, largely during resets or when he's taken somewhere (mentally) like the game shows or strange places. We do see angels in what might be where they come from though, specifically in How I Feel, where Hope brings us to the strange room he has AmIOkay strapped in a machine. Seemingly they are actually agents of Hope and possibly the others. That might be dubious, though. I think in the case of Sana at least, the angel isn't necessarily there and holding her, it visually shows us her in Hope's 'grip'. 今 is a bit of a mess, though. This is what she says while that frame is on screen:
This could all be foreshadowing of some sort. Sana's depiction in this pose might be alluding to this, and how her pain/story climax is yet to come. It could also be a reused asset. I would think it's purposeful, but I don't think we can say what that purpose is 100%. You can be sure that it's related to the direct influence being exerted on the characters, though. In the end, I'm left admitting that once again, my best proposition is "visual story telling."
Now, the moments before the reset are a fucking nightmare if you overanalyze things. I spoke on Sana already, but as far as Ayane, we have to choose what we think.
1. It's all in Akira's head
2. It's all in Akira's head, but what he sees is influenced by [User/God] and not merely his mind
3. His consciousness is in another "place" ala mayo prism, and what he sees may or may not be someone interacting with him or creating a world/people for him
And then this post becomes 50 pages. To keep it brief, Ayane would make sense to be there in his head, probably less interesting than Sana being there as an adult. If someone put her there or is acting as her in option 2/3, that's more interesting. Himawari would do that, but how likely is she to be there? She's trying to save Akira from something there, either resetting Maya or watching it happen, but who and why? I don't have any good answers right now, so I'll let someone else do the heavy lifting.
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I think it's Sekai and Pareidolia that are currently keeping Maya Prime prisoner, whether or not they are the ones that killed her (I think they did that as well, with Himawari's help, but that's a subject for a different post).
From "DEN OF THE MOLERAT" itself:
- The PA voice says the same thing as in Pareidolia's reset
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- There's the shadows that look like spiderwebs
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- AmIOkay is writing "LET ME OUT" on the board over and over, a phrase which is associated with Sekai in "Something Everyone Knows and Ignores" and "Worry Not, the Mason Jar"
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- The room is in perpetual darkness and no sun (i.e. HOPE's light) can reach it
- Sensei thinks he's someone's shadow and AmIOkay addresses him as Sekai
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- AmIOkay says some stuff that sounds like it might be coming from Sekai
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- During the flashing images, a hand appears on the right side of the screen that I'm pretty sure is Kaori's (I don't think anyone else ever uses black nail polish). The T-pose stuff also seems to be connected to SekaiDolia in general.
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- HOPE went to Wires's domain (the old district) in "Trinity pt. II", so it makes sense that he would go to Pareidolia's domain in the third trinity event.
- The event is probably narrated by Pareidolia, no one else would say things like this:
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- USER3 takes control of the Terminal at the end of the event
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Well, you convinced me, well done. And damn, that Kaori detail was amazing. So Maya Prime is being held by Pareidolia (and likely Sekai as well), and USER4 used Nao-chan to sneak Noriko in there?
There are a few points that could be argued in this, like checking AmIOkay's presence in there and cross-referencing her appearances throughout the game to see if she's acting as a freelancer as well, or always connected to Pareidolia. The classroom being in the dark could point to Wires instead, and it would align with Maya praying to him - since Wires is in the dark, and Pareidolia is the dark (thanks, Selebus, not confusing at all...) - but those are individual questions, and given the sheer amount of evidence put together, I'm convinced.
AmIOkay does show up just before "untitled", but that's an event where Sekai saves Akira (presumably), not Pareidolia.
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Edit: There is also another question that doesn't have to do with this per say, but I was reminded of it. Yasu classifies different gods in one of her events and points to one of them that lives underneath a bed of/sea of worms. By process of elimination, we might figure out which of the gods is aligned with worms from that. Worms had been a Sekai think until now if I recall correctly.
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My guess is world itself, HOPE, and Wires. But it's surprising Wires would be associated with worms. Could Yasu be talking about Sekai? If so, Yasu is recognizing her presence even more than Pareidolia's. Could be USER4 as well since it's "concealed"...
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The biggest tip i can give you is avoid this thread like the plague until you finish the game.It will only confuse/spoil you.Remember to smile,Praise be!As a person who has just started playing this game, right? What on earth are all these theories I keep finding in the comments section of this game? Like reading some of them makes me feel like watching Interstellar Part Two or something. I thought this was just your run of the mill porn game with a school setting or something.
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Ah yes my thoughts are shared.Its funny how easily paredilo and sekai have turned into the ultimate villains in this story but anyways.
In order to find which god is represented by worms we can think in a few different directions.There is the obvious,straightforward one.So something that lives underground,someone like Tree.OR we can go a bit more symbolic.In the game maggots and worms have been used time and time again to represent something deyestable.Maggos especially were used to represent a rotting wound,a disgusting reminder of a time long past.So if we think of it like that then its Sekai.
But you ask why not Paredola?Well thats simple.Sekai fits the definition of an old wound better.Sekai is the reason why Sensei is the way she is.She was the one that abused him,(And if my theory is correct) she was the one that indirectly killed both herself and Nozomu,creating immense pain for both Akira and Ami.Finally even after death she continues to torment him.Sekai is a parasite,a maggot that keeps infesting his old wounds.So ye i agree that Sekai remains the uncontested worm/maggot representee!
I do wonder though.Why would Sekai and Pareidola do this to Maya prime?I mean yes they are evil and bla bla and they want Sensei to suffer but if thats their only motivation then thats a bit bland.Now while i have no evidence i still want to believe that Akira the bigger picture requires Akira to be broken(PS:Himawari found a loophole in her contract with the gods.While she cant help Akira directly,she CAN do it indirectly,helping ayane and the like)
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The AmIOkay in "Turn Off the Lights" is tonally quite different from any other version of her that I can remember, I think it's probably only this one that is connected to SekaiDolia
The generic voice on the PA tells Noriko to go to the principal's office, then Maya's voice (which Maya?) replaces it and tells her to follow Nao. Given she goes to the classroom instead of an office, it seems like they want different things. My best guess is still that USER4 sent Noriko and she was recognized as an intruder, but I'm not very confident.
I still don't have much idea on the stuff AmIOkay says or why she says it. I will throw out another possibility that the "nine" could be related to the still-mysterious desk of the ninth god, but your guess is as good as mine for what that would mean.
My initial guess is that she's referring to Wires, with the hum being an electrical hum and him having a connection to the earth with his roots. In that sense the bed of worms would just be a poetic way of referring to the world. It is a good point that being concealed might point to USER4, though. I do also think there have connections between Sekai and worms, especially due to worms in her grave, but I don't remember specifics
EDIT: I wonder if this could also be related to Sensei's whale story. The larger whale sleeps forgotten in the earth's core and the whales are described as making loud low-pitched noises.
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Man all this User talk has got me confused smh.My understanding of it is this.
>User 1
This is legit the most confusing.User1 has been used by mutliple people at multiple occasions to fuck with Akira.As both Moonflare and Aramaug have pointed out,User1 has been used by Pareidola,Maya and Hope.Impressive.
>User3
Now this is interesting.I am assuming with quite a bit of certainty that User3 is the only good guy here.As far as im aware he hasnt done anything explicitly good but the reason why im calling him good is this.Pareidola was FURIOUS when we had the choice to kick him out and let User3 resume control of the terminal or Connect to talk with us.Now you could say that that is just Pareidolas obsessiveness at hand(Funnily enough thats one trait that he shares with both Sekai and Hope) but thats the only time where he is this furious.My interpetation is tha the feels threatened by User3.
>User4
This is the newest player here.We dont know who what or why.What we do know is that for whatever reason he is working for us(directly or indirectly),to help us and that he is using Nao-chan as his proxy to influence real world events
>User 1
This is legit the most confusing.User1 has been used by mutliple people at multiple occasions to fuck with Akira.As both Moonflare and Aramaug have pointed out,User1 has been used by Pareidola,Maya and Hope.Impressive.
>User3
Now this is interesting.I am assuming with quite a bit of certainty that User3 is the only good guy here.As far as im aware he hasnt done anything explicitly good but the reason why im calling him good is this.Pareidola was FURIOUS when we had the choice to kick him out and let User3 resume control of the terminal or Connect to talk with us.Now you could say that that is just Pareidolas obsessiveness at hand(Funnily enough thats one trait that he shares with both Sekai and Hope) but thats the only time where he is this furious.My interpetation is tha the feels threatened by User3.
>User4
This is the newest player here.We dont know who what or why.What we do know is that for whatever reason he is working for us(directly or indirectly),to help us and that he is using Nao-chan as his proxy to influence real world events
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I'm confused. Let's start from the assumption that USER1 = HOPE. USER 2 = Wires. USER3 = Pareidolia.
That being said, Pareidolia may have hijacked USER1 a couple of times. We've mentioned "ad infinitum", which could be him using some sort of hack on USER1 during the event, and then switching over to his own USER3 at the end. The same routine can be observed in "trinity pt 3: non est deus", he narrates the event, flees when HOPE shows up, then switches to USER3 at the end of the event.
One other time when HOPE was hijacked from his controls was during the backwards bus ride. I can't remember the event name. It happened after they visited Sekai's grave, and following Ami's date on the same day in which she tries reading him a poem. Akira starts to blackout and something takes control over Ami (?), HOPE tries to connect and is denied multiple times.
USER2/Wires is probably the one you mean by "good guy". Unless he was the one responsible for "scary room", which I still don't buy, he only ever tried to help. His connection is so weak though that we just don't understand his intentions. If I recall correctly, during one of his resets he tried leading Akira to Tojo Ramen during the reset. Him leading Akira to the "writing room" with Nao-chan is probably the first time we've seen one thing that he wanted to do coming through. What does that even mean I have no idea though.
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bro I'm getting called out but it's only like 4430 saves
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If I recall, User3 is just the Concerned God. He's always been my favourite, I suppose. He's sort of hinted to be the one who prevented Akira from assaulting Yumi, but that's more of speculation.
User4 is supposedly the god who just stopped showing up one day? I'm unsure.
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