Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[corsair101]

I want the Maya we all know and love back

There's been an effort made to reinforce that idea that no narrator is trustworthy, and I can't help but wonder if the "nothing is real" we used to be told semi frequently in HOPE's chapters fall into this.
I don't recall hearing the phrase outside of his reign.

I also hope the characters don't truly have "alts" but instead its just shifting through "time" with memories getting fragmented all over the place.

Also fuck HOPE, I want Pareidolia back. At least that god says tangible sentences lmao.

Okay, I've got a theory here but it's proving to be a total bitch to put into words. Time is...inconsistent in Kumon-Mi. Not in the obvious way of the loops, that's a closed timelike curve (see Groundhog Day or that one episode of Star Trek TNG), which is not what we're seeing. The looping is more like a recurring pattern of events susceptible to internal and external interference/alteration, but even then it's weird because the resets are irregular and don't go back to the same point - not every reset has the beach trip, or Dorm Wars or any of the other recurring events.

I don't think we were seeing alternate timelines, I think we were seeing previous loops. Each one placed between...I'm going to steal a term from the late Iain M. Banks here and call them "outside context problems". The events that fracture reality in a way that each subsequent loop then includes them. The first one is Sensei not running away to Kyoto with Sekai, that starts the iteration where she dies, Sensei doesn't know Ami is his biological daughter, and he goes on to meet Maya and start whatever you want to call their fucked-up relationship. Maya then exists outside the resets and doesn't lose her memories every time, and somewhere between then and the start of the game is where Ayane and Yumi end up (with the Sensei who just watches football and fucks Ami). Thousands or millions of subjective years later, Sensei "sticks" again and stops being reset with the world, I don't think we know what triggered that yet. The next fracture is Maya getting reset, which takes us up to now as of 0.45.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

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Hell no, why would you want some consequences over not having them? xd Also the DRM is only for the packages, there is no punishment for everything else.

Alas, it is impossible for me, since I lost my original saves (thanks to new pc and me forgetting to transfer the saves)

 

[flacc2pit]

Is playtime stored per save or in the persistent save? I feel like my time is a bit smaller than it should be. After realizing I missed Toys I "replayed" (held down control) the game from the one save I could, and I think this is reflected in my playtime.

 

[alteros]

Man, Kaori is so sweet. "If you are to not express joy when you are happy or tears when you cry, what am I to do as your friend?" Genuinely just wants Sensei to smile. Best girl.

 

[aramaug]

I am shocked and appalled to see defenses of Nodoka in this thread. But never fear, there is still one righteous poster willing to stand up for the incontrovertible truth that Nodoka is literally the worst.

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Hopefully it's obvious that this is tongue-in-cheek. I do agree with some of the discussion, Nodoka isn't 100% pure evil. That being said, I think she comes closer than any other human character in this game, and her recent actions have done little to change my mind.

That's a narrow interpretation of what we said. Apart from DeSkel, which must have cheered for Darth Vader when A New Hope premiered, most of us had deep problems with Nodoka. Half of these was because she felt like a self-insert that had just too much knowledge and did things without consequence, and the other because of the extreme things she did. The last few updates explained and justified all of these bit by bit. Her sacrifice was just the culmination of it all.

Spoiler: A Current Nodoka analysis

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Now, I still don't like Nodoka. But that's an emotional reaction to her hurting many of the characters I like. Looking at her from an objective pov, I can understand and even admire (some of) what she's done. She's been the most productive not-member of RAS, and she did all that without being chosen in any way (other than maybe Himawari's help).

I'm quoting this post because it started the discussion and there parts of it I disagree with, but consider this a general reply. I know you're not trying to fully rehabilitate Nodoka and I agree with some of what you're saying, but I think everyone needs a reminder of just how awful she truly is.

Spoiler: Nodoka's actions and intentions

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Spoiler: reset morality

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[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

I am shocked and appalled to see defenses of Nodoka in this thread. But never fear, there is still one righteous poster willing to stand up for the incontrovertible truth that Nodoka is literally the worst.

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Hopefully it's obvious that this is tongue-in-cheek. I do agree with some of the discussion, Nodoka isn't 100% pure evil. That being said, I think she comes closer than any other human character in this game, and her recent actions have done little to change my mind.

Bro, can you remake this picture, but with me instead of you
But seriously, your opinion is essentially the same as mine, with a few minor differences.

 

[Moonflare]

I am shocked and appalled to see defenses of Nodoka in this thread. But never fear, there is still one righteous poster willing to stand up for the incontrovertible truth that Nodoka is literally the worst.

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Hopefully it's obvious that this is tongue-in-cheek. I do agree with some of the discussion, Nodoka isn't 100% pure evil. That being said, I think she comes closer than any other human character in this game, and her recent actions have done little to change my mind.


I'm quoting this post because it started the discussion and there parts of it I disagree with, but consider this a general reply. I know you're not trying to fully rehabilitate Nodoka and I agree with some of what you're saying, but I think everyone needs a reminder of just how awful she truly is.

Spoiler: Nodoka's actions and intentions

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Spoiler: Nodoka as a character

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I see nothing wrong with anything you said, but I do not agree with it. Nodoka has been cursed with the burden of it all since she was a kid.

I'm not passing judgement on someone behaving as if they're "above" other people, when they actually are above other people. Although "above" is not the best word for it. Maya has been blessed by the world by retaining her memories and a loved one to fight/hope for. Nodoka has nothing but a burden, nothing falls on her lap, she has to fight for every scrap. And through it all, she's truly alone.

How maddening it must have been to have to deal with everyone around you behaving as if things are normal, and it's not that you "know" they aren't normal (as Maya and Akira do), you just have a feeling - and willingly give into that madness on the offchance your mother wasn't wrong.

Anything extreme she does, although I'm not saying should be forgiven, it's understandable to me. I can see it as lashing out against the cruel cage she's been put in. Ultimately it falls to each one for it to be enough to see her in a better light or not. I'm surprised myself because people rage against me all the time for being unforgiving towards characters and wanting to see their heads on spikes, but alas.

Also, I'm enjoying being on DeSkel's side for once, so I'll keep my position for now.

Spoiler: devil's advocate

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[Budoop]

I am shocked and appalled to see defenses of Nodoka in this thread. But never fear, there is still one righteous poster willing to stand up for the incontrovertible truth that Nodoka is literally the worst.

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Hopefully it's obvious that this is tongue-in-cheek. I do agree with some of the discussion, Nodoka isn't 100% pure evil. That being said, I think she comes closer than any other human character in this game, and her recent actions have done little to change my mind.


I'm quoting this post because it started the discussion and there parts of it I disagree with, but consider this a general reply. I know you're not trying to fully rehabilitate Nodoka and I agree with some of what you're saying, but I think everyone needs a reminder of just how awful she truly is.

Spoiler: Nodoka's actions and intentions

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Spoiler: Nodoka as a character

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Exactly why I feel the way I do, she repeatedly tells us her stance on things and it's never righteous. The Futaba Yumi thing really hammered home my distaste for her, outwardly acknowledging Futaba wouldn't want revenge on Yumi but this clown takes it anyway for herself.

Grade A cunt.

 

[elricsecret]

hey can someone explain why people want save file from chapter 3? something about a happy event and new version but I didnt get it.
tried searching but it doesnt sort by date so it is a mess

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

hey can someone explain why people want save file from chapter 3? something about a happy event and new version but I didnt get it.
tried searching but it doesnt sort by date so it is a mess

You mean the mall.
Do you remember the mall event? well now there's a new happy event unlocked for that and you need to backtrack to get it, that's why people are asking for old save files (but most of them don't work)
You need to either restart the game, cheat using DRM or get a working save file from someone else (me)

 

[Budoop]

That mall bit was such a huge pain in the ass, why does anyone want to go back there.

 

[GSwole]

That mall bit was such a huge pain in the ass.

A little bit more bullshit from the gaping I give you guys and you'll start to fell it less and maybe even enjoy it.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Wanna have fun (question mark)
I used your Nodoka argument and created this thing:

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Do not think too much about it, xd

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[shmurfer]

Wanna have fun (question mark)
I used your Nodoka argument and created this thing:

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Do not think too much about it, xd

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Ok now it's really tempting to respond to aramaug for the sake of it.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Wanna have fun (question mark)
I used your Nodoka argument and created this thing:

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Do not think too much about it, xd

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you guys are so addicted and desperate without LiL that you've started making your own off-brand content.

This is like when drugs run dry in the hood so you gotta start making them on your own.

 

[crustlord12]

Wanna have fun (question mark)
I used your Nodoka argument and created this thing:

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Do not think too much about it, xd

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ah holy fuck that's hilarious

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[Bingoogus]

ah holy fuck that's hilarious

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I would agree except even in that humorous form, that entire conversation was still too dense for my brain to persist through... just gonna let you guys enjoy your deep talk as my dunce brain plays with shiny objects...

 

[SlidingSubject]

As mentioned, I think Nodoka IS a good character, in the sense that her motivations aren't just one-dimensional as they may appear. But she's not a good person, though I don't think she's evil for the sake of it. I mean, either she was already broken before, or the cycles broke her, but she came off to me as someone with an "end justifies the means" mindset, who cherishes Futaba, who legitimately didn't see anything wrong with publishing the book about them because it couldn't be conclusively proven it was about them, who will torture Yumi in a bid to see what makes her tick (and when Sensei is there, to test him too), who will try ANYTHING to see how the loop they found themselves in works, including getting all kinds of reactions from her classmates to see exactly what's the limits they are allowed to reach.
I do think, however, that she HAS been hard reset before, but it's not a certainty, mostly because of the bit that she tortured Yumi in one of the other timelines, which, if you take her being practical to its extreme, would serve no logical purpose unless she hasn't done so before.

 

[hcguy]

Nodoka is a sociopath and the one character in the game I truly hate (Otoha is just blah, and I really don't like Maya, but I don't hate her). I don't think she is hot, either in her crazy or sane form, and I regret almost every moment she is on the screen.

I understand her role in the game - I wish there was a different character in that role.

 

[Budoop]

Nodoka is a sociopath and the one character in the game I truly hate (Otoha is just blah, and I really don't like Maya, but I don't hate her). I don't think she is hot, either in her crazy or sane form, and I regret almost every moment she is on the screen.

I understand her role in the game - I wish there was a different character in that role.

I think I would have agreed early on but watching her love for Sensei crack over time was so fucking cute.
The rooftop after visiting Niki was so heartwarming to me.