Budoop

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feel like im definitely in the small percent of players that actually like otoha. like yeah it was shitty how she did rin but lets not act like some of the other characters aren't equally as bad. i mean sensei is lying to basically everyone. yumi bullied someone into genuinely hating themself. Rin led sensei on after the Chika rejection before deciding to throw him aside for Otoha. Molly forced a kiss on Rin, the list goes on and on but everyone has this huge hate boner for Otoha. the difference between otoha and the other characters is at least she is self aware shes a bad person but doesn't hide it anymore
Sensei is a piece of shit though, its his whole character and potentially arc.
Futaba was self conscience anyway although what Yumi was doing was still wrong, at least she's apologised.
What Molly did had me cringing behind the screen it was bad.

Otoha only doesn't hide how shitty she is with Akira because she KNOWS he's shitty too. She hides it from everyone else.
 

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Sensei is a piece of shit though, its his whole character and potentially arc.
Futaba was self conscience anyway although what Yumi was doing was still wrong, at least she's apologised.
What Molly did had me cringing behind the screen it was bad.

Otoha only doesn't hide how shitty she is with Akira because she KNOWS he's shitty too. She hides it from everyone else.
Molly did nothing wrong, Rin just has terrible taste! Also the fact Otoha isn't that bad of a person makes her even more boring to me, I don't even hate her, I nothing her.
 

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But lets be honest. Otoha is one of these characters you would see irl.
That might be the reason people hate her this much. Sure there are other characters who had done worse but Otaha acts like that bitch from your highschool years. People don't judge as a hentai/horror game character, but a real life person who they have encountered with.
 

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All this debate over liking her, hating her, being indifferent to her... ya'll wanna see that girl get folded into a pretzel and stuffed with cream in both ends until she looks 9 months pregnant so i don't really see the point in going over it with a fine-tooth comb, yeah yeah, shitty person, typical teenager, now let's get to the crossed-eyed, tongue-out mindbreak already...
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All this debate over liking her, hating her, being indifferent to her... ya'll wanna see that girl get folded into a pretzel and stuffed with cream in both ends until she looks 9 months pregnant so i don't really see the point in going over it with a fine-tooth comb, yeah yeah, shitty person, typical teenager, now let's get to the crossed-eyed, tongue-out mindbreak already...
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Bingoogus the voice of reason as always.
Praise be.
 

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All this debate over liking her, hating her, being indifferent to her... ya'll wanna see that girl get folded into a pretzel and stuffed with cream in both ends until she looks 9 months pregnant so i don't really see the point in going over it with a fine-tooth comb, yeah yeah, shitty person, typical teenager, now let's get to the crossed-eyed, tongue-out mindbreak already...
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This man gets all of us
 

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Just to also give my two cents to the Otoha discussion (not that anyone asked):

I think it's a culmination of all the arguments brought forth so far.
Otoha is neither a psychopath, nor an angel. She isn't fully bad, but she certainly isn't good either, neither dark nor light. Which ultimately lands her pretty much in the middle at grey. Which is probably the blandest color there is.

There is a lot of arguments for hating Otoha, she did a lot of shady and unnecessarily selfish stuff - definitely. I will respect anyone's opinion for disliking her solely based on her past actions.

However, I also support the argument that her misdemeanors at least also gave her somewhat of a character. After all, she is actually the most realistic teenager out of all the girls so far.

Think about it, we have girls that (think they) talk to gods, we have heiresses of multibillion companies, we have severely abused and traumatized girls, girls that have severe depression or extreme issues with self confidence, girls that have lived millions of years and a girl that wants to be violently fucked ber her uncle who actually is her Dad.
Out of all of these individuals, I personally think, Otoha is the most "normal" one, as in, she acts the most like someone you and me would probably know in real life, at least from back in high school times.

That can of course be interpreted as being very forgettable and boring, but I see it as being a nice representation of normalcy, of an average girl, doing things that average girls do.
She is relatively calm and collected compared to most girls, she has typical hobbies that fit her age, she is facing issues that are common in her stage in life and she has flaws. Yes, she is lying, she has been manipulative, she has done selfish things and she seems constantly indecisive and unsure what to do. But almost all teenagers do exactly that.
But she did none of those things to a comically evil level, unlike someone like Nodoka or Ami. Some people even brought up that other characters did similarly heinous deeds, yet are not treated as harshly as Otoha is.
And I think it comes down to her being "too normal" to cover for her shortcomings, as she rarely does anything noteworthy enough to distract from those actions. She ultimately just wants to be left alone and do her thing.

At the end of the day, I am convinced that most of us here, if thrown into the universe of LiL, would turn out to be an 'Otoha'. Meaning, we would most likely not have any extremely outer-worldly or traumatic backstory, no crazily unusual character traits, just a pretty average person with maybe a bit of perverted tendencies here and there, but nothing too dramatic.
Thinking of it that way, I feel like I can relate to Otoha probably the most out of all the girls in this game. So what if you are relatively boring in comparison? It does not make you a bad person or unworthy of attention.

Also her butt is nice.
 

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All this debate over liking her, hating her, being indifferent to her... ya'll wanna see that girl get folded into a pretzel and stuffed with cream in both ends until she looks 9 months pregnant
Only when she gets like this
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Good gravy, this does unhealthy things for me.
 

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When it comes to "normal" or "common" girls, I'd probably consider Futaba and Kirin the most realistic girls on average.

Chika and Otoha would be two extremes, in a way:
  • Chika:
    • Who desperately wants security and love and has to work her ass off because her parents are gone, and she has a kid and friend (Yumi) to take care of.
  • Otoha:
    • Who wants more than just security and love and doesn't have to do anything because her parents and friend (Nodoka) actually care about her future, and have made sure to get her whatever she wants or might need.
The irony of them both being involved with a certain girl's heart (Rin), and crushing over the same Idol (Niki), while having entirely different lives and different relationships with Sensei, isn't lost on me. Otoha even wants a little brother while Chika has a little sister.

Otoha also struggles to take care of herself without her parents around, unsure of how to feed herself, while Chika has basically became a parent and makes sure to feed her little sister and herself, and Yumi when she can.

Otoha even seems to prefer younger boys while Chika prefers older men, and they both like girls, just probably not as much as they like specific males.

They're somewhat opposites, which may have been the point. In conclusion:
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All this debate over liking her, hating her, being indifferent to her... ya'll wanna see that girl get folded into a pretzel and stuffed with cream in both ends until she looks 9 months pregnant so i don't really see the point in going over it with a fine-tooth comb, yeah yeah, shitty person, typical teenager, now let's get to the crossed-eyed, tongue-out mindbreak already...
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Man this just made me realize that I don't think I've ever eaten a single pretzel my entire life (and it's completely possible where I live) the images makes them seem like a delightful thing to eat except one image
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Ya know, I just thought, if gods are tied to the moons and iirc paranormal shit (or at least extra paranormal) happens a shitton/usually (not exclusively) at night, when there is a moon, then the fuck will happen if a solar eclipse happens?
Maybe that's how an Ami is born.

Assuming the Moon is Sekai or a representation of her, which might be why Ami wants to bring the Moon back:
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And that may be why the 3 moons remind Sensei of "her" presumably, according to Nodoka's love story:
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On the other hand, I'm not entirely sure who the Sun is supposed to be, yet. Possibly either Akira or Nozomu. Maybe Tsubasa...somehow. Need more intel, or I've just missed certain info.
Man this just made me realize that I don't think I've ever eaten a single pretzel my entire life (and it's completely possible where I live) the images makes them seem like a delightful thing to eat except one image
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Did not expect for Pretzels to be ruined for me today. What a world...
 

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All of those Otoha discussion harkens me back to one thing. While I definitely don't endorse her gradual depravation, but to those who considers Otoha not "important":
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Sometimes Otoha feels really like a total antithesis to Akira who always looms in self-pity and self-deprecation. Instead she has a great potential of hubris so that she takes everything as granted. Yet their decision is identical.
 
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Random question. If 2 girls of the main cast had to switch personalities which two would be a perfect swap? (for example if Ami behaved like Yasu and Yasu behaved like Ami)
 
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