Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[SlidingSubject]

Ideally for the mod I have in mind, I want to keep the story as it is now but make navigating and the grind towards the events more enjoyable in a sense; the idea is to reduce the amount of grinding you'll have to do, assuming you not using cheats or URM to boost numbers, but also make the grind more enjoyable and interactive to deepen the connection a player might have with the character in the game, answering questions about them and Sensei, having conversations with them, small dates and if you really want to get twisted, make those events glitch out from time to time, have them know conversations from the future or the happy events, corrupt the characters and make them insane momentarily or hell you can even make Ami Hiwamari appear in those events from time to time, it might add mystery, intrigue, arouse the curiosity in people to make them more invested in the game and the characters. Later on, you can have this events changed up to reflect the corruption growth the characters have gone through.

My god, those first two sections I italicized and crossed out and gave me "Take that you worm"-tier flashbacks. More on that a few lines below.
The first section I bolded seems cool, though it'd have to give the "I know things I shouldn't" feel only if you play it after you reach the relevant section, otherwise it has to seem like a natural flow of the conversation, which is why I bolded it, but still think it's kinda unrealistic since it's kinda... too much effort for a one-off? Not that, if you pull it with important characters, but it's gonna be hard to write.
The other italicized crossed out section is... cheap. I mean, I can understand why you're giving suggestions that try to make the game more palatable for the wider audiences, but, again, it came out to me as a "Take that you worm" suggestion. Not that I'm saying Worm is a masterpiece, but Young Adulting it and Lessons in Love is definitely something I only want to see in my nightmares.
Your last suggestion that I bolded is pretty good, though, I think is something Sel already does? I mean, IMO, the generic events are the best examples of this.
All in all, AzureVolt I feel your suggestions would work for TLotHB if it was still being developed. As it is now, they feel a bit... let's say, infantilizing (though I'm probably overreaching, sorry).

And the difficulty of the dumb reset events oh my fucking god, you can do so much things in order to make the logic puzzles easier while also increasing in difficulty later if you wanted to, I'm not smart, I honestly wouldn't have passed the first reset without the wonderful members here making guides and walkthroughs for my pea-brain. Here's an idea, can't you have the souls/bodies of the previous Senseis stuck in the same room as they giving you small hints and insights of what events you need to review or what information you'll need to pass the lock and as you go on, since the Senseis get filtered out for being dumb as me, you get fewer Senseis to gives you hints as the loops go on and go on but you'll grow as player and be able to remember important information that might come up later in a loop event. FUCK anything in game that could give you hints or guidance to complete the event, don't we have gods whisper insane things in our heads during those events? Why don't you make them into a gameplay mechanic, they give you hints but in a insane/lunatic type of way making you have to think as fucked as the gods themselves and give you a point of reference for later events to understand their rumblings and insane speeches without having to decode them too deeply.

In the words of chinese web novel protagonists, this can be summarized as Solving this? YOUR GRANDMA IS SOLVING THIS. Come out, Selebus, I promise I won't beat you to death!
That said, it IS a flaw in the design, though one made on purpose, I think. The resets are the way the game tells you to stop playing. I'm pretty bad at this design thing, but I agree with you there should be a better method of making it playable while still keeping that fuck you for playing this, you better not get past this feel the resets have. Though the one you proposed, while reminiscent of the Elden Ring thing, feels a bit lacking, even if I think it'd be kinda cool, though I guess it'd be hard to implement.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Three words: Clown. Yumi. Clussy.

I am just very unsatisfied that Yumi clussy is not canon

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But we have our favourite Fire Lord!
I think we should somehow sneak clussy Yumi into the Lilcord. A psyop, if you wanna call it that, so Sel could add his version of clown Yumi in the game. OR SOMEONE SHOULD PAY FOR THIS,xddddddd

Also, Yumi is indeed a relative of Kaori, considering how these hairdrills make Yumi look like Kaori. I wonder if Sel did this on purpose from the start, or did he do it accidentally?

Also, on the topic of being a part of this community, I have been here for about 2 years now. It feels like an eternity. But I will keep playing LiL until it's finished. And then? Then I'll forget about this forum, I believe, since LiL is the only reason why I am here every day. I will come back to this site to see proper porn games, so I won't completely disappear from here. But who knows, if Sel will make another game, I'll visit its related thread.

 

[AzureVolt]

My god, those first two sections I italicized and crossed out and gave me "Take that you worm"-tier flashbacks. More on that a few lines below.
The first section I bolded seems cool, though it'd have to give the "I know things I shouldn't" feel only if you play it after you reach the relevant section, otherwise it has to seem like a natural flow of the conversation, which is why I bolded it, but still think it's kinda unrealistic since it's kinda... too much effort for a one-off? Not that, if you pull it with important characters, but it's gonna be hard to write.
The other italicized crossed out section is... cheap. I mean, I can understand why you're giving suggestions that try to make the game more palatable for the wider audiences, but, again, it came out to me as a "take that you worm" suggestion. Not that I'm saying Worm is a masterpiece, but Young Adulting it and Lessons in Love is definitely something I only want to see in my nightmares.
Your last suggestion that I bolded is pretty good, though, I think is something Sel already does? I mean, IMO, the generic events are the best examples of this.
All in all, AzureVolt I feel your suggestions would work for TLotHB if it was still being developed. As it is now, they feel a bit... let's say, infantilizing (though I'm probably overreaching, sorry).

Although I'm a bit lost on what Young Adulting it and TLotHB is, I get what you mean by infantilizing, harder to really absorb the dark subjects that the game covers if they gets clogged with those types of mechanics. I'm not really a game designer so all I can really do is just spitball ideas with the community to see what would make Lessons in Love a greater experience, to take the fullest advantages of being a Visual Novel and a game that you can play and interact with, because as of this moment I do feel like it's lacking a lot in the game side.

In the words of chinese web novel protagonists, this can be summarized as Solving this? YOUR GRANDMA IS SOLVING THIS. Come out, Selebus, I promise I won't beat you to death!
That said, it IS a flaw in the design, though one made on purpose, I think. The resets are the way the game tells you to stop playing. I'm pretty bad at this design thing, but I agree with you there should be a better method of making it playable while still keeping that fuck you for playing this, you better not get past this feel the resets have. Though the one you proposed, while reminiscent of the Elden Ring thing, feels a bit lacking, even if I think it'd be kinda cool, though I guess it'd be hard to implement.

Oh shit now you say it out loud, it does sound like Elden Ring lol, Akira being the Ashen One or the tarnished does give me a chuckle

 

[AzureVolt]

Have you considered throating Clown-Yumi's massive futa cock and slurping her heavy, throbbing nuts?

Why did you make me have to read that? and what is even up with the clown thing, Where did it come from? Why Yumi? Why clowns?
God now I'm going insane, someone else drops some news or announcement isn't a delay, I can't get a grip on what's happening

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[Detective Dc345]

I am just very unsatisfied that Yumi clussy is not canon


But we have our favourite Fire Lord!
I think we should somehow sneak clussy Yumi into the Lilcord. A psyop, if you wanna call it that, so Sel could add his version of clown Yumi in the game. OR SOMEONE SHOULD PAY FOR THIS,xddddddd

Also, Yumi is indeed a relative of Kaori, considering how these hairdrills make Yumi look like Kaori. I wonder if Sel did this on purpose from the start, or did he do it accidentally?

Also, on the topic of being a part of this community, I have been here for about 2 years now. It feels like an eternity. But I will keep playing LiL until it's finished. And then? Then I'll forget about this forum, I believe, since LiL is the only reason why I am here every day. I will come back to this site to see proper porn games, so I won't completely disappear from here. But who knows, if Sel will make another game, I'll visit its related thread.

Sneak Femboy Sensei in there also. The "Femsei" agenda is not being pushed.

 

[SlidingSubject]

Although I'm a bit lost on what Young Adulting it and TLotHB is, I get what you mean by infantilizing, harder to really absorb the dark subjects that the game covers if they gets clogged with those types of mechanics. I'm not really a game designer so all I can really do is just spitball ideas with the community to see what would make Lessons in Love a greater experience, to take the fullest advantages of being a Visual Novel and a game that you can play and interact with, because as of this moment I do feel like it's lacking a lot in the game side.

The last part I agree wholeheartedly, though that's on Sel's part since he considers his magnum opus something more than just a game. The main issue, to me, is that the game still isn't finished.
That said, Young Adult refers to the genre of books, it's a thing. The Legend of the Huggy Boy was Sel's attempt at making a patreon-friendly version of the game. It's pretty much Lessons in Love if 4kids.

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[Lore Needs Some Bitches]

Any clue when the next update is? I am banned from the discord

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Any clue when the next update is? I am banned from the discord

May 4th, iirc

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Hmm. I think misandrist means someone who hates men, which doesn't sound like Io. She's fond enough of Akira, in spite of all the reasons not to be. So I don't think that's what you mean.

Misanthrope, maybe — someone who just doesn't like people.

But I think the word you might be looking for is gynophobe—someone with an intense (and irrational) fear of women. Mind, hers isn't entirely without cause, but it's definitely not rational.

And yeah: she's cute.

The word Misogynist originally meant to describe someone who hates women, but through incorrect usage its meaning has been reduced to, or rather changed to describe somebody who thinks of women to be the inferior of the two genders. The word "Misandrist" which is the reverse equivalent, still means to hate men.

Io isn't afraid of men either which would make her an "Androphobe", or women which would make her a "Gynophone", she just hates people in general, and the correct term here indeed is "Misanthrope", the unconditional hatred for people in general. It usually stems from trauma or negative experiences with anybody.

I myself have a small case of Misanthropy, but mine stems from the constant dissapointment of watching other people do bad things. I personally dislike talking to people, never trust anybody and preffer being alone, but I have to admit that in the rare cases that I come to "like" somebody, those feelings tend to be magnified.

I can understand why Io is the way she is and I don't mind it, she deals with it in an immature way and all it takes is for her to understand that it is wrong, and she will because she is a good girl in heart.

 

[Antosha]

May 4th, iirc

May the Fourth be... Um, yeah.

 

[Moonflare]

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[Fire Lord Zuko]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

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Oh cool. I got them all right for once! Including the bonus. Number 10 had me stumped for a little bit, but the rest weren’t too bad for me.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

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4/10 this time.
Rin is always easy for me, because her manner of speech really unique. Even more unique is Yasu's manner of speech, which is really super obvious one.
Makoto's one here is the easiest though. The last sentence really helped.
But freak you for putting Himawari twice, xdd

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[TempAdventurer]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

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It was fun to do these quizzes when I read through the thread after finishing the game, thanks for making them!

I did considerably better on this one than the previous three, where I never got more than 3 correct, here I got them all except #4,#5 and the bonus. Locking only to the context of Dorm Wars helped a lot with guiding my memorization, rather than trying to place a quote from the whole of the entire game.

 

[Yung Waffles]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

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I got 7 out 0f 10 right, plus the bonus right. Surprised myself

 

[Pedro4545454]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

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I got 6 out of 10 right, it was the quiz I got most right so far.

 

[kirsek]

any1 can send me 0.45 save? im not sure what happaned to my safes

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

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11/10, wahoo

 

[Reonoss]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

Time for the fourth round! This time it's a thematic one, with all the events coming from DORM WARS! Rules are the same as always: There are ten events, and you have to guess who said the following quotes, which could be from any character (excluding Akira).

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11/11, this one felt better than the other quizes for some reason. Hell yea.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Moonflare's Quiz: "Who Said This?" #04

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I got 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 + the bonus one

7 and 9 are way too obvious