Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[ComplexOne2]

I believe sel himself said that the "wizards" will be getting content as they are. I'm not 100% on it though so don't quote me on it.

Sel's words were essentialy that all characters, both main and side would have sexual content and unless a massive timeskip happens then the "wizards" are getting that content with their current ages.

 

[ComplexOne2]

There's some backstory that led up to all that.

He's been increasingly hostile to this site over the last two years, as once the game got big enough that he didn't need the exposure the site gave him, the idea of the game getting posted here shifted from "free advertising" to "revenue sponge" in his mind, especially once updates started leaking here within the same day of release.

Then Patreon shut his page down, and he was trying to get the word out to supporters to move to Subscribestar, but his reformatting of the top post ruffled some feathers among the mods, and in the back and forth on the subject, he lost control of the top post entirely.

Then the game started leaking within MINUTES of going live. And how much a given update increases his revenue is directly proportional to how much time passes between release and appearing here -- the sooner it leaks, the less the game grows.

So he took that personally. And it's been escalating since then.

For what's it worth, I think a year ago or so when the leaks were happening I think Sel had accepted those, but the situation obviously changed when updates were leaked within minutes of going live like you said and I think what made this situation worse was the care packages leaking, since those were created in the first place as a compromise to give his patreons something that wouldn't be leaked but we all saw how that turned out.

 

[darkparts]

At the same time, we have never seen a character aged up or down in the span of time that the game has gone through, which is not a good sign for the content in question using aged up versions of those characters.

In fairness, in the unknown span of time Maya has never seen a few things happen that are happening now, especially the time jump mid-sentence. So for all we know there could be an incident that results in some/all characters skipping forwards or backwards into different aged versions of themselves. I doubt it but it wouldn't surprise me.

not much new to discuss on the game itself that hasn't already been discussed into the ground, through the planet's core, and out the other side.

Lies, if it had gone through the planet we'd have found out what is buried beneath our feet.

 

[Fake Rabi ~]

Can we stop discussing Sel and keep talking about who you want as the next romanceable character and why its Plant #4?

prolly penemue, i dunno why.. i feel like penemue will be hotter compared to plant #4

 

[Pullox]

I really just hope that they will be more grownup, at least where all other girls are supposed to be (age wise), IF, they will have that kind of content.
And that he won't make that other kind of content just to cater to some very special, really special, audience.

Selebus own message is the perfect answer for that, it's more a matter of when rather than a if

 

[vehemental]

What is your idea of a cool dev?

I don't know, man. All I know is that there are much more popular games on this site that have much cooler devs whose games still get leaked, simply because a lot of people on this site want it and there's someone who can afford it and wants to oblige them. That's it. What are the staff here supposed to do, deny it and make their own site worse, just so some already well-supported guy who's not very nice to them can make slightly more money?

In every SINGLE case I've found where a game isn't normally leaked, the devs are always cool as hell and don't talk about this shit - much LESS put it in their game - devs like Zanith of A House in the Rift, that hasn't leaked in like a year and a half despite having way more patrons.

Would you like Sel to bend over backwards and just accept all the leaks?

Every single other creator here does. To every single other creator who has a game on here, leaks are just a part of doing business. To Selly in particular, it's "bending over backwards." Is every single other creator here just a pussy who doesn't stand up for themselves?

No, they're fucking professionals who understand that being personally likable is an important part of being crowdfunded. Obviously not as important as creating quality content, but something in the range of 20-30% as important. A pretty big chunk. If piracy stopped, Selly would likely see increases in the 5% range - maybe 10% if we're generous. Do you see what I mean?

So when you put lines in your game that literally say, "pirating anything should be punishable by death [...] Especially when it's something you can get for the price of a coffee"? Congrats, you just got 20 people to line up to pirate you just to troll. When you organize a hate raid on the biggest pirate forum and bully their staff? You just got 50-100 people to line up to pirate you because they like this site more than they like you. Congrats!

What are the solutions to the circumstances you created? You can either shut up about it and maybe even apologize and deal with continuing to get leaked for a few months out of spite, or you can double down, plan on adding even more off-topic toxicity to your game, and pay $25,000 per month for Denuvo DRM which could then be cracked by EMPRESS for $500.

So much of the cat is out of the bag at this point re: his feelings towards pirates themselves (vs. only hating the act of piracy) that I don't know if the leaks will ever end, but I think we have to believe there's a chance if he could just be normal for once on this one specific topic.

 

[Axismundi]

Selebus own message is the perfect answer for that, it's more a matter of when rather than a if
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Exactly, everyone should know what we signed up for when we started a game where we have "relations" with girls that are in the age range of 14 to 16.... supposedly.

 

[vehemental]

Selebus own message is the perfect answer for that, it's more a matter of when rather than a if
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Luckily fully half of the main girls lie within the Makoto to Tsuneyo part of the loli spectrum. We take those wins.

 

[crustlord12]

I don't know, man. All I know is that there are much more popular games on this site that have much cooler devs whose games still get leaked, simply because a lot of people on this site want it and there's someone who can afford it and wants to oblige them. That's it.
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In every SINGLE case I've found where a game isn't normally leaked, the devs are always cool as hell and don't talk about this shit - much LESS put it in their game - devs like Zanith of A House in the Rift, that hasn't leaked in like a year and a half despite having way more patrons.

The dev you're supporting, and one I support as well, is a prime example of your comment. Caribdis is legendary; I'm sure they loathe the fact their game gets leaked almost immediately but they still put out tons of quality content and I've not heard a single complaint from them.

 

[Axismundi]

Luckily fully half of the main girls lie within the Makoto to Tsuneyo part of the loli spectrum. We take those wins.

Uta, Sena and Miku Superiority for life

 

[vehemental]

The dev you're supporting, and one I support as well, is a prime example of your comment. Caribdis is legendary; I'm sure they loathe the fact their game gets leaked almost immediately but they still put out tons of quality content and I've not heard a single complaint from them.

Totally. I brought them up earlier in the thread - crazy how someone can achieve 4x+ the patrons Selly has when every single $50/month update to your game leaks within minutes. I wonder why?

 

[akselx]

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Ah. Classic alex2011. The balance is restoring in this thread. I really missed this.

 

[actualrealname]

Totally. I brought them up earlier in the thread - crazy how someone can achieve 4x+ the patrons Selly has when every single $50/month update to your game leaks within minutes. I wonder why?

Caribdis is great, and is one of the few devs I actively support, but lets not pretend genre and general style of writing/art doesn't contribute a huge amount to the patron gap. Eternum is just a way more appealing concept than lil for a huge amount of people, despite both being well written engaging games (imo).

Sel could be the nicest most accommodating dev in the world and this would still be true. Lots of talented people out there making really good stuff that are just not ever going to get that more mainstream appeal.

 

[vehemental]

Caribdis is great, and is one of the few devs I actively support, but lets not pretend genre and general style of writing/art doesn't contribute a huge amount to the patron gap. Eternum is just a way more appealing concept than lil for a huge amount of people, despite both being well written engaging games (imo).

Sel could be the nicest most accommodating dev in the world and this would still be true. Lots of talented people out there making really good stuff that are just not ever going to get that more mainstream appeal.

This is exactly what I'm saying!

This game is for degenerate degenerates, not just because of the thematic subject matter but also because playing it is self-flagellistic. The hunting for events gameplay is abysmal, the puzzles are stupidly obtuse to anyone well-adjusted, it's as long-winded and full of filler as critics of One Piece say One Piece is, and it's as self-indulgent as North Korean propaganda. You have to hate yourself and have zero respect for your own time to play this game, willing to dig more for the moments of goodness than the players of any other game.

And yet it's doing great! It's the greatest success story in the history of this site, IMO. The unlikeliest of heros, just like Yumi. And it will never be enough, because the dev wants to make as much as Summertime Saga, a game 6x as popular by views of its thread here making 6x as much money.

 

[actualrealname]

This is exactly what I'm saying!

This game is for degenerate degenerates, not just because of the thematic subject matter but also because playing it is self-flagellistic. The hunting for events gameplay is abysmal, the puzzles are stupidly obtuse to anyone well-adjusted, it's as long-winded and full of filler as critics of One Piece say One Piece is, and it's as self-indulgent as North Korean propaganda. You have to hate yourself and have zero respect for your own time to play this game, willing to dig more for the moments of goodness than the players of any other game.

And yet it's doing great! It's the greatest success story in the history of this site, IMO. The unlikeliest of heros, just like Yumi. And it will never be enough, because the dev wants to make as much as Summertime Saga, a game 6x as popular by views of its thread here making 6x as much money.

Ah, I misinterpreted you then, I agree it's doing super well for what is a pretty niche product. I don't necessarily share your opinions in the top paragraph though (outside event hunting, wiki info should really just be in game). In particular I think that "filler" is kind of just how any game with this many characters will feel sometimes depending on who you like. Because you mentioned it earlier, some people feel a house in the rift has a heap of filler too, though I disagree for the same reasons.

Devs wanting more money is whatever, the avn market is crazy fickle so I get wanting to have enough to support yourself in the future. Sel is pretty ridiculous about it a lot of the time, but it's a job with no real job security at the end of the day.

Holding off on having a proper opinion on Yumi until we get the sfw moderate affection event sometime in 2026.

 

[vehemental]

(outside event hunting, wiki info should really just be in game).

Progress Mod. Such a godsend.

In particular I think that "filler" is kind of just how any game with this many characters will feel sometimes depending on who you like. Because you mentioned it earlier, some people feel a house in the rift has a heap of filler too, though I disagree for the same reasons.

Yeah, it doesn't matter if there are 35 characters or 6, not everyone's going to like all of them. This one just has so many and it's really hard not to think that some are objectively better written than others...

Holding off on having a proper opinion on Yumi until we get the sfw moderate affection event sometime in 2026.

The real title of the Yumi Ska song is Unlikely Hero, so I couldn't resist.

 

[barglenarglezous]

For what's it worth, I think a year ago or so when the leaks were happening I think Sel had accepted those, but the situation obviously changed when updates were leaked within minutes of going live like you said and I think what made this situation worse was the care packages leaking, since those were created in the first place as a compromise to give his patreons something that wouldn't be leaked but we all saw how that turned out.

Yeah, his stance prior to the Patreon rugpull was more or less "it's gonna happen, but if I get a day or two before it happens I won't grouse about it," but we were already seeing this thread devolve into moral debates over piracy about once a month even back then.

It definitely escalated about a month after the rework came out when the instant leaks started to happen.

 

[alex2011]

Yeah i know where that term comes from ingame. And you're right of course, that there was no change in age besides flashbacks.
People using the term 5000yo wizard, just might have evolved beyond it's initial meaning.
Nowadays it could just mean Chinami and erm Tsubasa? Tsukasa? you know who i mean.

I really just hope that they will be more grownup, at least where all other girls are supposed to be (age wise), IF, they will have that kind of content.
And that he won't make that other kind of content just to cater to some very special, really special, audience.

I do, Tsukasa is the one, Tsubasa is her mother. They have never been specifically said not to be getting content after it was said they would be, so it is unlikely they won't be. It also isn't likely they will age up. He's not doing it to cater to any kind of audience, he isn't the type of developer that does that, it has always been about his vision.

I believe sel himself said that the "wizards" will be getting content as they are. I'm not 100% on it though so don't quote me on it.

He has said they would be and has never said they wouldn't be after saying they would, so it is safe to assume the content is coming eventually and will be as they are.

They literally attempted to get the entire thread removed, so that would definitely silence us here if it succeeded.

Yes, to stop the leaks, not to stop the discussion of the game. They resorted to trying to take the entire thread down because nothing else was working at the time, which can now also be said of trying to take down the thread of course.

For what's it worth, I think a year ago or so when the leaks were happening I think Sel had accepted those, but the situation obviously changed when updates were leaked within minutes of going live like you said and I think what made this situation worse was the care packages leaking, since those were created in the first place as a compromise to give his patreons something that wouldn't be leaked but we all saw how that turned out.

Yeah, I don't think it was AS big an issue back when it was taking longer than a few minutes, but taking only a few minutes, leaving zero chance for the game to grow even without the drama I could definitely see as having an impact. Quite frankly, I would have just quit releasing the game entirely a good number of updates ago and developed it as a local project that would never see the internet again just for the sake of completing it even if I would be the only eyes on the finished product, but that's just me being more willing to give up on letting people have my work at all.

In fairness, in the unknown span of time Maya has never seen a few things happen that are happening now, especially the time jump mid-sentence. So for all we know there could be an incident that results in some/all characters skipping forwards or backwards into different aged versions of themselves. I doubt it but it wouldn't surprise me.



Lies, if it had gone through the planet we'd have found out what is buried beneath our feet.

ComplexOne actually said it better than I have, Sel basically all but said word for word that every character would get adult content and in their current form.

I walked right into that one.

 

[BlackDays]

So i looked it up again, because i was under the impression wizard content would be off limits, and i think i found at least some samples how i came to that impression, which are:
Several statements by Sel, like "chinami won't have any "official" content" or "such content will come as an unofficial patch". Additionally, there are/have been rules against DRAWN NSFW content with lolis (including chinami) and loli alts.
Whatever DRAWN means in that context.

But at least for now thats all i have to say about that topic.
Only time will tell.

 

[Perniciousducks]

So i looked it up again, because i was under the impression wizard content would be off limits, and i think i found at least some samples how i came to that impression, which are:
Several statements by Sel, like "chinami won't have any "official" content" or "such content will come as an unofficial patch". Additionally, there are/have been rules against DRAWN NSFW content with lolis (including chinami) and loli alts.
Whatever DRAWN means in that context.

But at least for now thats all i have to say about that topic.
Only time will tell.

after the Patreon thing he said that you will be able to fuck whole families at the same time. Someone asked about chinami and he reiterated he said what he said or something to that extent.