I can't believe what I'm reading. The sexual content in LiL is paramount for the thematic integrity of the game. Honestly, I find most sex scenes in this game shit (not fap-worthy). Hell, I've never even touched my dick while playing this game. But I recognize their importance in the narrative.
For example, while I read the last sex scene with Niki, I was focused on absorbing the bits and pieces of lore sprinkled in the dialogue. Mostly ignoring the act itself. Consider the last event with Miku, Sensei's deviancy and thoughts are made clear. His perversion wholly manifested for the audience. He seemed exactly like Sekai. Most of them are nice, in that way. I'd be perfectly okay with all the sex scenes that don't add anything lorewise being cut from the game. I'd be delighted with that, in fact.
But if this game skipped all sex scenes and abstracted them away like: and so they fucked. It would make for an exceedingly dry and lifeless piece. Huggy Boy would like a word with you (and before anyone says: "Oh no, but Huggy Boy was an entirely different beast. It isn't a fair comparison". Yes, I am aware & I agree. This was mostly a quip).
So yes. LiL is unmistakably a porn game. A well-written one. One that has built fantastic, authentic characters. Its atmosphere is unique.
Yet one, nonetheless. These qualities are not mutually exclusive. Maybe not a porn game in the strictest sense, but at that point, I'd classify it as a shitty porn game anyway, as no one would read LiL for the porn. There are much better things out there in that sense.
Concerning the "DRM" affair, I'm not angry at the dev or that dude who made it (who promptly got banned?). That my saves were deleted—and promptly restored—thankfully, I know how to do that; was entirely on me for my carelessness. As a pirate, I'm way past caring about his morality, or the lack thereof. I do not believe that his actions are inherently justified (Illusion and everything), notwithstanding in the same vein as how I'm not personally concerned in explaining myself or justifying my piracy; I wouldn't expect the dev to be morally justified in his attempts at preventing my access to the game.
I do think, however, that he screwed the pooch only by fucking up the game for some of his subscribers and seemingly being okay with putting untested junk inside his software. Bad optics.
Paramount and yet skippable simply by not incrementing the lust meter. It was never paramount, it has always been considered side content by the developer himself. You don't make paramount events skippable, that's a big no no. To make them skippable is to invite people to skip them, to invite people to skip them leads to players doing just that and then any actual paramount point in the event is missed.
Huggy boy was lifeless because it was born out of an unwanted need to replace the main version on Patreon, he didn't want to make that version, Patreon forced his hand by not allowing the main version. Had it been made with intention, it would not have been lifeless and would have served as a good example of my point about the porn in the main version.
I'll leave it at fundamentally disagreeing with what you just wrote in this sentence.
This is a VN, not a book, and visuals are important.
I agree on the lust events in-between the main events, but you can't deny that there are some routes necessary to progress the main story, and in all of them afair Sensei ends up having sex, Ayane being just the first one, again, afair.
Visuals are important, sexual content is not. SFW visuals can be substituted.
As far as lust events within main events, not between, they are completely skippable. For example, the first beach event has lust events that don't interrupt the flow of the beach event with their absence if you don't have the lust for them.
Man, with so many walls of text, I wonder who's the obsessed one with who.
We're literally just typing on keyboards, discussing a bit of what's a "porn game" and people bringup again the piracy issue like that's all you can think of. Rent free, I tell you.
Can't we just go back to talk about the game itself, as so many would prefer?
Or would you rather continue being angry at the very existence of this pirate site, and want to virtue-signal about all this bs?
This is the LiL thread, a thread for a game with a developer that has no issue with keeping drama on piracy going. This has been an ongoing argument for years at this point, I doubt it will end regardless of anyone here, someone else will eventually step forward and bring it up again.
The idea that the puzzles cannot be rewritten in a way to just be long, boring stalls like the rest of the game, and not fit the exact same function of delaying the user from reaching the roof, if not more so, is hilarious.
If you pay attention to the nonsense blather during a season then the puzzles don’t delay you at all, thus breaking the whole theme of them. Where as you could just write lame stalls to replace the lame puzzles and it will universally fit the theme of the gods trying to stop sensei from reaching the roof.
They can be, but this would only serve one of the purposes for the current puzzles, the purpose of punishing the players who do not pay attention for important details would go unfulfilled while the purpose of serving as a way to visualize the resistance to Sensei reaching the roof would be served.
Okay, well I raise my developer's law against your law (see attached images). I hate being this dude but I rejoined the discord because I remembered Sel having a 'debate' with a user over the sexual content of the game some time back.
From his words, it sounds like the sexual content is vital to the narrative, like the puzzles. He even calls it an 'HVN'.
And the content being missable doesn't make it non-integral. Especially in a VN where the player can make choices, if anything the missable/ignorable aspect solidifies it's importance given the medium. Good Uncle and Bad Uncle are an aspect of the game and offer valid insight to Ami's character as a whole; is the bad uncle route unnecessary because you have to engage in "side content"?
I fucking despise food analogies, but if you go to a buffet and only choose certain foods, that doesn't make the other foods unnecessary.
For real. The last couple pages are us debating the themes and design of the game. I'll never understand the mindset of someone claiming to be tired of 'the drama' as they proceed to dig it back up.
Notice how absolutely nowhere in your images does he say anything about porn or sex, sexual contact is not the only form of "intimacy" there is. As far as 'my law,' I'm just echoing what Sel himself said repeatedly in this thread while he was here, so my law is his by association.
You don't make integral things skippable, that's bad design. Anything made skippable is to be considered non-integral by default as the ability to skip is absolutely going to be used.
If you go to a buffet at all, any food is unnecessary, but the point is the ability to just get what you want. That is basically what Sel did here to a degree, he gave an adult VN with the option of porn on the side, a buffet that serves both porn and non-porn adult content.
