Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

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Speaking of Sana’s brother, are they twins?

I am not sure if it was specifically said anywhere; I was under the impression that Sara was readily abandoned when pregnant with Sana (or was abandoned shortly after Sana’s birth), and I didn’t think Sara had other men neither before or after being abandoned by her own bastard teacher.

Somehow I feel like Sana had slipped some descriptions about his brother’s relative physical size and/or age, but I could be in the wrong here.

We know he died "a few years ago" and "he was about (Sana's) current age when it happened," so no, they're not twins. When Sara talks about his leaving, she just says she had a baby in one hand and a carrot in the other, but doesn't specify WHICH baby was in her hand. So she could have been pregnant with Sana, or the brother could have been a toddler at that point.

i think the twin thing was in the game when it was real early, back when this game was single digit update version and retconed out so his age could fit some kind of time line for sel better. Cause I remember the twin thing also from a long ass time ago. this would not be the first retconed info... why there are so many out there theories I think is mainly cause of this crap and people connect the dots between things that are not even in the game anymore (I know this applies to me) . in some instances it was stuff sel let slip to early in his opinion and is still in the game but changed when and how it is revealed... like the reason why kirin was antagonistic towards ayane

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

So...
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it means kaori and yumi need to spend time bonding over turtles aka hard circle lizards

 

[barglenarglezous]

So...
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In Yasu's introduction, she creeps Sana out by talking about her brother and has specific knowledge about him.
When Sana mentions to her mother what happened on her walk home, Sara says "I'm not going to lose you, too"
The implication is very strong that Nozomu did something to the brother.

If that time frame is correct, then it could mean that there's a cause/effect relationship between Sana's brother dying and the formation of the time bubble.

 

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Yuki literally whored herself to Yumi's father for years. She even doesn't care if Yumi is whoring herself to Sensei for good grades. It's also a common trait among junkies and women in gangs, and she's been both.

Also I'd disagree on the whole honor thing. Ironically, prostitution at least has both people getting something out of it. Robbing a kid is just pathetic and cowardly. Especially for someone who claims to have a history of looking out for kids when she isn't abandoning them.

i mean fair enough i guess, i took it as she was kinda tricked into a relationship with him where she got drugged up and she got her virginity taken from her and then she was in a position of having to choose to leave and be on the streets and pregnant or stay in a toxic relationship and put out, which I dont really associate with 'whore'.
the honor thing vs prostitution isn't me putting my own views into it, but observation that some people hold those views. she doesnt seem the type to look down on the profession but she seemed like the type to avoid it. (why else would she build a rep as a fighter chick no one wants to approach that beats the shit out of thugs, most people were to scared of her to even approach her while she lived with the yakuza, from her memory the only guy she slept with was yumi's dad but she has no recollection of anyone else but admits someone could have just fucked her while she was drugged up, hard to call her a whore if that is the case imo... but her extremly low oppinion of herself easily shows she thinks of herself in such a way, (she low key and high key hates herself)
which event is the one we have a flashback of yuki beating the shit out of yakuza and meeting them for the first time?

 

[fdsasdf_p]

In other words, it was likely around when Sensei's second disappearance occured, around the last time Noriko saw him, around the time Maya met Ami, and around the time the Space war started and most men disappeared.

So...
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If we really force connections between all these events (except for the Space War I suppose), things can be converged to Maya’s first appearance in Kumon-mi out of literal nowhere. His death might be a way for her to descend if Maya being an angel was true.

OR it could just happen to be a very eventful year; plain, simple, and not over complicated. It’s just that there seems to be more of the death of Sana’s brother than a trauma the remaining Sakakibaras need to overcome.

 

[barglenarglezous]

At this point, it's safe to assume that most, if not all, of the characters are connected to one another in some way beyond just being classmates or related to one of the girls in the classroom. There are connections that aren't immediately apparent, like how Ami, Akira, Miku, and Kaori's lives were all disrupted heavily by vehicle collisions that may or may not be the same accident, or how Akira's brother may be Sana's father.

Lately, we've seen conjecture that he might also be Chika's father.....but who else? We have a lot of girls who seem disconnected, how do they tie in?

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #1 -- Maki and Nozomu were lovers. She was in an open marriage, he fucked around, and there's a massive amount of tragic irony in Makoto's mental health being invested in "making Daddy proud of me" when the man she was trying to please isn't actually her father. Liklihood of actuality: 3/10. One would think Maki would mention that she had fooled around in the past with an Arikawa Teacher in the past.

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #2 -- Nozomu was Rin's sperm donor. There had to be one, right? Actually, I can't recall if Rin is fully adopted or was donor-conceived, but either way, there's a mystery dad. Liklihood of actuality: 5/10. There's no reason to believe this is true, but there is exactly as much evidence to believe that it is.

Bold Theory that Might Be Full of Shit(tm)# 3 -- Chinami's benefactor -- the wealthier woman who looks nothing at all like anyone in Chika's family who took Chinami to her doctor appointments was.....either the mother of another one of the girls, or one of the adult women in the game. I'm not sure who. We know it wasn't Tsubasa, as she would have said something during her story. Could it have been a pre-addiction Yuki? I'd think that'd be brought up. Sekai? Very possible -- she looks nothing at all like Chika's family. Likelihood of Actuality: 7/10 -- it feels like too big of a reveal to siimply leave as "mystery woman," but I think we'll eventually get more information about this down the line.

More as they poop into my brain.

That was supposed to be "pop," but I'm leaving the typo because these are probably all shit.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

At this point, it's safe to assume that most, if not all, of the characters are connected to one another in some way beyond just being classmates or related to one of the girls in the classroom. There are connections that aren't immediately apparent, like how Ami, Akira, Miku, and Kaori's lives were all disrupted heavily by vehicle collisions that may or may not be the same accident, or how Akira's brother may be Sana's father.

Lately, we've seen conjecture that he might also be Chika's father.....but who else? We have a lot of girls who seem disconnected, how do they tie in?

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #1 -- Maki and Nozomu were lovers. She was in an open marriage, he fucked around, and there's a massive amount of tragic irony in Makoto's mental health being invested in "making Daddy proud of me" when the man she was trying to please isn't actually her father. Liklihood of actuality: 3/10. One would think Maki would mention that she had fooled around in the past with an Arikawa Teacher in the past.

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #2 -- Nozomu was Rin's sperm donor. There had to be one, right? Actually, I can't recall if Rin is fully adopted or was donor-conceived, but either way, there's a mystery dad. Liklihood of actuality: 5/10. There's no reason to believe this is true, but there is exactly as much evidence to believe that it is.

Bold Theory that Might Be Full of Shit(tm)# 3 -- Chinami's benefactor -- the wealthier woman who looks nothing at all like anyone in Chika's family who took Chinami to her doctor appointments was.....either the mother of another one of the girls, or one of the adult women in the game. I'm not sure who. We know it wasn't Tsubasa, as she would have said something during her story. Could it have been a pre-addiction Yuki? I'd think that'd be brought up. Sekai? Very possible -- she looks nothing at all like Chika's family. Likelihood of Actuality: 7/10 -- it feels like too big of a reveal to siimply leave as "mystery woman," but I think we'll eventually get more information about this down the line.

More as they poop into my brain.

That was supposed to be "pop," but I'm leaving the typo because these are probably all shit.

I think Rin said she was adopted from orphanage and other kids told her that her mom was crazy and dad wasn't around or something like that. Nozomu could totally be her father but we have no evidence for this or against at this point

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #2 -- Nozomu was Rin's sperm donor. There had to be one, right? Actually, I can't recall if Rin is fully adopted or was donor-conceived, but either way, there's a mystery dad. Liklihood of actuality: 5/10. There's no reason to believe this is true, but there is exactly as much evidence to believe that it is.

Rin was adopted, it could be that Nozomu impregnated a random woman off the streets or something, but her biological family put her up for adoption.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

At this point, it's safe to assume that most, if not all, of the characters are connected to one another in some way beyond just being classmates or related to one of the girls in the classroom. There are connections that aren't immediately apparent, like how Ami, Akira, Miku, and Kaori's lives were all disrupted heavily by vehicle collisions that may or may not be the same accident, or how Akira's brother may be Sana's father.

Lately, we've seen conjecture that he might also be Chika's father.....but who else? We have a lot of girls who seem disconnected, how do they tie in?

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #1 -- Maki and Nozomu were lovers. She was in an open marriage, he fucked around, and there's a massive amount of tragic irony in Makoto's mental health being invested in "making Daddy proud of me" when the man she was trying to please isn't actually her father. Liklihood of actuality: 3/10. One would think Maki would mention that she had fooled around in the past with an Arikawa Teacher in the past.

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #2 -- Nozomu was Rin's sperm donor. There had to be one, right? Actually, I can't recall if Rin is fully adopted or was donor-conceived, but either way, there's a mystery dad. Liklihood of actuality: 5/10. There's no reason to believe this is true, but there is exactly as much evidence to believe that it is.

Bold Theory that Might Be Full of Shit(tm)# 3 -- Chinami's benefactor -- the wealthier woman who looks nothing at all like anyone in Chika's family who took Chinami to her doctor appointments was.....either the mother of another one of the girls, or one of the adult women in the game. I'm not sure who. We know it wasn't Tsubasa, as she would have said something during her story. Could it have been a pre-addiction Yuki? I'd think that'd be brought up. Sekai? Very possible -- she looks nothing at all like Chika's family. Likelihood of Actuality: 7/10 -- it feels like too big of a reveal to siimply leave as "mystery woman," but I think we'll eventually get more information about this down the line.

More as they poop into my brain.

That was supposed to be "pop," but I'm leaving the typo because these are probably all shit.

additional bold theories that might be full of shit
-yumi, tsukasa, and toblerone are half sisters.
-tsuneyo was the little girl ami remembers when she visited sensei's tutoring hole in the wall
-uta and io met via online support group for sexual abuse (it's not been confirmed in game but i'm told it was in the stupid care packages)
-uta's brother killed someone related to one of the girls (or uta did it, and her brother took the fall for it) (confirmed to not be sara's son by sara, because the person that killed him was never caught)
- futaba and nodoka are not 'friends' but a warped relationship where futaba became co-dependent with a blackmailer/abuser and now her blackmailer/abuser protects her investment
-OH, right, the reason why sensei had to flee 3 years ago from noriko as maya puts it is because she can't keep a secret and did something stupid to try and get closer to him. wide range of things has been suggested she did.

that all i can think to add...
are we limited to just the mains or the sides too

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I think Rin said she was adopted from orphanage and other kids told her that her mom was crazy and dad wasn't around or something like that. Nozomu could totally be her father but we have no evidence for this or against at this point

story did at one point say she was adopted from an orphanage i believe
didn't it say yasu was from an orphanage at one point?
could be a semi related thing...
also who took care of miku again after her parents died?

this game needs more orphans for the orphan crushing machine... ayane and trombone's dad need more heartwarming storys of them saving people from it through generous $20,000 donations (this is related to a meme)

 

[barglenarglezous]

-uta and io met via online support group for sexual abuse (it's not been confirmed in game but i'm told it was in the stupid care packages)

After their heart to heart scene, where they literally talk it out 1) using chatroom jargon and 2) with all the coaxing words therapists use to make people open up, this is confirmed through subtext.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

At this point, it's safe to assume that most, if not all, of the characters are connected to one another in some way beyond just being classmates or related to one of the girls in the classroom. There are connections that aren't immediately apparent, like how Ami, Akira, Miku, and Kaori's lives were all disrupted heavily by vehicle collisions that may or may not be the same accident, or how Akira's brother may be Sana's father.

Lately, we've seen conjecture that he might also be Chika's father.....but who else? We have a lot of girls who seem disconnected, how do they tie in?

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #1 -- Maki and Nozomu were lovers. She was in an open marriage, he fucked around, and there's a massive amount of tragic irony in Makoto's mental health being invested in "making Daddy proud of me" when the man she was trying to please isn't actually her father. Liklihood of actuality: 3/10. One would think Maki would mention that she had fooled around in the past with an Arikawa Teacher in the past.

Bold Theory That Might Be Full of Shit(tm) #2 -- Nozomu was Rin's sperm donor. There had to be one, right? Actually, I can't recall if Rin is fully adopted or was donor-conceived, but either way, there's a mystery dad. Liklihood of actuality: 5/10. There's no reason to believe this is true, but there is exactly as much evidence to believe that it is.

Bold Theory that Might Be Full of Shit(tm)# 3 -- Chinami's benefactor -- the wealthier woman who looks nothing at all like anyone in Chika's family who took Chinami to her doctor appointments was.....either the mother of another one of the girls, or one of the adult women in the game. I'm not sure who. We know it wasn't Tsubasa, as she would have said something during her story. Could it have been a pre-addiction Yuki? I'd think that'd be brought up. Sekai? Very possible -- she looks nothing at all like Chika's family. Likelihood of Actuality: 7/10 -- it feels like too big of a reveal to siimply leave as "mystery woman," but I think we'll eventually get more information about this down the line.

More as they poop into my brain.

That was supposed to be "pop," but I'm leaving the typo because these are probably all shit.

At this rate it won't be Main Girls but Main Nieces (teaching a classroom full of nieces sounds absolutely hilarious), but it probably wouldn't be impossible considering Nozomu's nature.

I also hope one day Chinami's benefactor would have her grand entry to the story so that I can scream THANK YOU MA'AM; for now I am rooting for Rin's other mom who Chiaki might come to befriend because Chika and Rin were classmates prior.
(but I am not 100% sure if she was still alive around that time; plus the fact that the mysterious woman had been doing this for two years, and it doesn't seem that Rika knows this, so still a wild guess)

 

[fdsasdf_p]

also who took care of miku again after her parents died?

Gonna say it's Maki considering their relationship, but to what extent Maki did for Miku is not shown in the game

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

After their heart to heart scene, where they literally talk it out 1) using chatroom jargon and 2) with all the coaxing words therapists use to make people open up, this is confirmed through subtext.

the chatroom jargon thing was just the care packages

 

[barglenarglezous]

the chatroom jargon thing was just the care packages

You sure about that? From the Main Event, Neverender

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

You sure about that? From the Main Event, Neverender

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sorry let me emphasize, the chatroom jargon used by trained therapists because it is therapy jargon.
them meeting in a chatroom was confirmed in game, what kind of chatroom was not
the kind of chatroom was confirmed in the care packages from what i understand

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

sorry let me emphasize, the chatroom jargon used by trained therapists because it is therapy jargon.
them meeting in a chatroom was confirmed in game, what kind of chatroom was not

The same event:

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

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not really definitive like what i'm told was in the care package.
this is a difference in suggestive possibility that gave the idea in the first place vs outright confirmation

 

[DeSkel15]

i mean fair enough i guess, i took it as she was kinda tricked into a relationship with him where she got drugged up and she got her virginity taken from her and then she was in a position of having to choose to leave and be on the streets and pregnant or stay in a toxic relationship and put out, which I dont really associate with 'whore'.
the honor thing vs prostitution isn't me putting my own views into it, but observation that some people hold those views. she doesnt seem the type to look down on the profession but she seemed like the type to avoid it. (why else would she build a rep as a fighter chick no one wants to approach that beats the shit out of thugs, most people were to scared of her to even approach her while she lived with the yakuza, from her memory the only guy she slept with was yumi's dad but she has no recollection of anyone else but admits someone could have just fucked her while she was drugged up, hard to call her a whore if that is the case imo... but her extremly low oppinion of herself easily shows she thinks of herself in such a way, (she low key and high key hates herself)
which event is the one we have a flashback of yuki beating the shit out of yakuza and meeting them for the first time?

It seems more like sucking a dick seemed worth it for living the easy life, to me. It wasn't until after she got knocked up while drugged out, then had Yumi, that she decided to leave, years down the line, while keeping his name just in case. I also don't recall it actually being said to be her virginity, just what knocked her up.

"why else would she build a rep as a fighter chick no one wants to approach that beats the shit out of thugs", likely to avoid being raped, like what would have probably happened if she didn't fight back against Yumi's father's goons back when they met.

Her also not remembering but thinking it's possible she's been fucked by others, kind of implies how she was getting drugs in the first place. The whole every guy she met trying to get in her pants line also implies she was used to stuff like it. It also could explain why she hates herself beyond just the drug abuse and doesn't see why Sensei wants to be with her. Not to mention, she never said she never sucked any other guy off, just that she doesn't remember having a thing with others. I think she was meaning in terms of getting fucked by them or maybe just simply dating. I'm also not sure how else she's been able to pay for stuff since she's never had a job prior to the bar.

As for the prostitution, I definitely get that it depends on what one finds "honorable", but still, I think I explained my reasonings. Also the whole meeting Yumi's dad thing was mentioned in Yuki's second event.

 

[DeSkel15]

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Just a theory, but Sana's brother getting shanked might be more of a cover story like the entire space war thing. People might just think these things due to mental alteration. Something actually may have just wiped out most of the males, and created this loop so that Sensei could knock up the class and feed it his children indefinitely. Or perhaps teach the being responsible for everything; "love".

Might explain the whole "Lessons in Love" name. Sensei (along with everyone else) could have been chosen to teach/show some eldritch being what Love is.

I still think this game will go the Black Souls route, though, tbh, and the thing taking Sekai's form might actually be some kind of crawling chaos from lovecraftian horror. So, that's probably influencing me somewhat.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

Just a theory, but Sana's brother getting shanked might be more of a cover story like the entire space war thing. People might just think these things due to mental alteration. Something actually may have just wiped out most of the men, and created this loop so that Sensei could knock up the class and feed it his children. Or perhaps teach the being responsible for everything; "love".

Might explain the whole "Lessons in Love" name. Sensei (along with everyone else) could have been chosen to teach/show some eldritch being what Love is.

I still think this game will go the Black Souls route, though, tbh, and the thing taking Sekai's form might actually be some kind of crawling chaos from lovecraftian horror. So, that's probably influencing me somewhat.

yeah there is the ... homeless theory.
the extreme level of homeless people are actually the people that were summoned off to 'space war' and are stuck in a schizophrenic daze preventing them from going back home to interfere with the world whoever is doing this wants. its also kind of weird that there are this many visually identifiable homeless people (by character conversation) when we have events directly mentioning sleeping in internet cafe's implying sel knows about the actual homless rate in japan and how it is a reportable (roundable) 0% and how the japanese for the most part would rather kill themselves than to even look homeless. (not an exaggeration)