Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

i mean... over reactions would be an opinion on your part at this point in time considering the lack of information. (we are both speculating based on context clues alone atm, though the ones I'm speculating on are direct while yours are more indirect. yours sounds more like the 'what a twist' solution to me) from whats given maya convinced sensei to flee after something noriko did (knowingly or otherwise) if this was an over reaction or solely an attempt to manipulate and control akira by maya it hasnt been confirmed yet. we are now going in circles though.
want to move on?

That's literally only one part of what I said, and you're ignoring the reasoning given.

Maya factually overreacts. Her reasoning for exploding on Noriko, saying Noriko is dangerous, and that Sensei must cut ties with her to survive, was that Noriko can ruin everything by revealing the past, which not only had no evidence to it, but has also been proven false multiple times now. Maya's even admitted she was saying those things because she was scared. In otherwords: Her reactions weren't justified even by her own justifications, making them overreactions as a fact, and not just as an opinion of my own. I also added biased to it, because it's clear her problem with Noriko is personal since she herself has specifically said "I don't like her.".

Your reasonings aren't direct. They are made up. You misinterpretated a scene for your reasoning, and haven't actually established another scene that supports your initial belief. Noriko actually doing something, besides exist, to cause Maya to take Sensei away from her is just a theory. Not a clue.

Not to mention that the fact Noriko is wanting and trying to get Sensei to regain his memories, even those which hurt her and make her cry, heavily implies that she didn't actually do anything notable to cause him to leave, or she would have mentioned it.

Also, yeah, might as well move on. Btw, I do consider this debating as well. Maybe even information gathering.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

If they just remember it, they won't think on how weird it should be. Same as they don't notice having had Halloween three times in one year.

yeah but you notice how they all do that dead eye stare when they start to remember something isnt right before that.... rins mom living there without some kind of pretense for a 2month period and no one noticing it is just a "why are they not just dead eyed the entire time they are in the dorms when she is there?"
it just bothers me. its already established there are limits to how much can just be changed in their minds before crap just fucks itself against the wall and they need a '2 month' re-calibration or a complete shift in scenery

 

[fdsasdf_p]

like rins mom living with her in the dorm needs to be addressed soon... like over 2 months from the perspective of all the non-looped in people is... like weird. we got nothing on this and how she could keep this a secret from all the other girls, which is what it sounded like she was trying to do....
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wait...
f'ng hell
rin's mom is pretending to pull a sensei move
when she gets spotted she pretends she came over to teach music to someone or something and then just goes back to rins room
this is the only thing I can think of to let her get away with it, with the other girls not finding out, they have already been conditioned to just accept one teacher there all the time... why not another, one she only had to hide long enough to get the job at the school in the first place
I feel kinda a dumb for not realizing it

Or Rika finally learnt how to practice sneakiness about living in her daughter's dorm (doubtful!); but I'd say she has way better odds at pulling this off than Sensei because, in addition to teaching at this school and visiting your dependent living in the dorm, what Rika is and Sensei is not is that she is a female .

A side not is that I think we only know Rika lived in Rin's room prior to 2-month skip, and don't know her exact whereabouts now after the skip; but I wouldn't be surprised if she really kept living there for 2 months, and hopefully we soon can get some answers from her events (maybe she'd start living in the same apartment as Wakana/Kaori/Inami?).

Did they actually experience 2 months, or do they just remember 2 months passing? I'm not clear on the mechanics.

Really though, does she need to get away with it? I'm not sure even Makoto would care about this at this point. Only Touka definitely couldn't have noticed, since she casually throws apartments at people.

I'd say for the non-loopers did experience those two months, as real as it can be to them (Chika having memories of Yumi's heartfelt speech). The loopers were essentially despawned and respawned into a different set of background information at a different time point, but for whoever that didn't undergo the same process that two months were real to their settings.

My brain doesn't apply the concept of fake memories here because the idea of fake memories to me is exclusive to the case like Ayane where she went to the roof once but remembered something else, or to the case like Makoto where she got touched by the dark a lot but her returning back to normal somehow went unbeknownst to everyone even herself.
Here Sensei and the squad members don't remember anything to even do a comparison between real or fake memory.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

That's literally only one part of what I said, and you're ignoring the reasoning given.

Maya factually overreacts. Her reasoning for exploding on Noriko, saying Noriko is dangerous, and that Sensei must cut ties with her to survive, was that Noriko can ruin everything by revealing the past, which not only had no evidence to it, but has also been proven false multiple times now. Maya's even admitted she was saying those things because she was scared. In otherwords: Her reactions weren't justified even by her own justifications, making them overreactions as a fact, and not just as an opinion of my own. I also added biased to it, because it's clear her problem with Noriko is personal since she herself has specifically said "I don't like her.".

Your reasonings aren't direct. They are made up. You misinterpretated a scene for your reasoning, and haven't actually established another scene that supports your initial belief. Noriko actually doing something, besides exist, to cause Maya to take Sensei away from her is just a theory. Not a clue.

Not to mention that the fact Noriko is wanting and trying to get Sensei to regain his memories, even those which hurt her and make her cry, heavily implies that she didn't actually do anything notable to cause him to leave.

Also, yeah, might as well move on. Btw, I do considering this debating as well. Maybe even information gathering.

maya did have evidence for it... it just was anecdotal personal evidence and it never occurred to her to try using other people to do the same thing she tried and fails at. you are pointing out her reasons for keeping noriko away NOW, and not THEN when they fled. Not liking her isn't an excuse, that much was always obvious. when noriko first comes in based on what maya knew it was not an over reaction to basically have a panic attack based on what she feared most. it wasn't even an over reaction the several events after that when she trys to talk sensei out of interacting with her based on what she knew, but out of habit she kept her opinion that they were going to break sensei eventually, was she wrong so far, yeah. did it take way to long to admit to it, maybe we will see. (so far all of the memories sensei regains from them are of the nakayamas or sekai... he has yet to regain one of maya from them, heck is it even memories of maya that break him? we got others before this, we don't even know which memories are the ones that do it.

Spoiler: feet first into a meet grinder

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Spoiler: she basically admits she never tried to bring sensei's mind back with other people from his past

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I mean all we got is noriko, niki, maya, and ami as even potential people to try that with and ami seems to be blissfully ignorant 'surface level' wise of the shit that went down with sensei. so who would maya go to, to even try before this
i dont think anyone can misinterpret this event and what was explicitly stated in it

Spoiler: that is direct

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indirect is going "well maya was wrong once, so she must have lied or made it up before this point for one of her memories that she personally witnessed go down and we/sensei hasn't yet" and if you want to discredit everything else based on one image that can be taken multiple ways without specific context that cant be viewed by default and ignore everything else, that is fine. I try to make all the peices fit as we have them now, if maya lied and we get proof of that, i'll throw those pieces out, right now its just conjecture that she did. both noriko and maya interrupted each other right before reveals doing a cock tease of what was going on and all we got was how noriko 'felt' about maya being a selfish bitch which maya didnt deny but didnt confirm either.
I also want to know what experience maya has with noriko not being able to keep a secret if it has nothing to do with why they fled.

 

[barglenarglezous]

no it was HEAVILY implied because of something noriko did and because of maya's influence

Counterpoint -- Noriko is insecure, and likely assumed that when he vanished on her, it was because of something she did that she didn't realize she had done. That doesn't mean she actually did anything wrong.

And Maya's unreliable when it comes to Noriko, as we can see several times:
1) When she goes mask-off in the classroom the day Noriko shows up
2) When she goes mask-off in her dorm trying to get Akira to stop hanging out with Noriko
3) Her dream sequence, where Noriko simply being there causes her to freak out

Also, it's not clear that Akira and Maya were together consistently between the time he was tutoring and the time they started hooking up once she became his student at the school. Baby Finches implies that the relationship had only recently turned sexual. It's very possible that Maya freaking out over Noriko is what caused Akira to put distance between them both, and a short time after that Maya and Ami became classmates and became friends (this would also explain why Ami has no knowledge of Maya being tutored by Akira), and the relationship built from there.

This would justify Maya's reaction to Noriko -- because the last time Noriko was there, she lost Akira too.

This is speculation -- there isn't really much textual information about Akira and Maya between the time Akira vanished from Noriko's life and the school year starting, and I really hope that gets fleshed out.

 

[BlackDays]

Counterpoint -- Noriko is insecure, and likely assumed that when he vanished on her, it was because of something she did that she didn't realize she had done. That doesn't mean she actually did anything wrong.

And Maya's unreliable when it comes to Noriko, as we can see several times:
1) When she goes mask-off in the classroom the day Noriko shows up
2) When she goes mask-off in her dorm trying to get Akira to stop hanging out with Noriko
3) Her dream sequence, where Noriko simply being there causes her to freak out

Also, it's not clear that Akira and Maya were together consistently between the time he was tutoring and the time they started hooking up once she became his student at the school. Baby Finches implies that the relationship had only recently turned sexual. It's very possible that Maya freaking out over Noriko is what caused Akira to put distance between them both, and a short time after that Maya and Ami became classmates and became friends (this would also explain why Ami has no knowledge of Maya being tutored by Akira), and the relationship built from there.

This would justify Maya's reaction to Noriko -- because the last time Noriko was there, she lost Akira too.

This is speculation -- there isn't really much textual information about Akira and Maya between the time Akira vanished from Noriko's life and the school year starting, and I really hope that gets fleshed out.

I beg to differ here.
Loli Maya mounting Akira in that one scene, Noriko almost implying Maya had something with Akira in onother event, and Yasu mentioning naughty stuff at the place where he tutored, lean pretty heavily towards that.

To the ongoing conversation who did what between Maya and Noriko.
Why not both?
Maybe first time Akira left was because Maya pushed him to do it.
Second time could have been because Noriko did something, intentionally or not.

Might add the events later.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

I beg to differ here.
Loli Maya mounting Akira in that one scene, Noriko almost implying Maya had something with Akira in onother event, and Yasu mentioning naughty stuff at the place where he tutored, lean pretty heavily towards that.

To the ongoing conversation who did what between Maya and Noriko.
Why not both?
Maybe first time Akira left was because Maya pushed him to do it.
Second time could have been because Noriko did something, intentionally or not.

Might add the events later.

see that is what i said. both.

Counterpoint -- Noriko is insecure, and likely assumed that when he vanished on her, it was because of something she did that she didn't realize she had done. That doesn't mean she actually did anything wrong.

And Maya's unreliable when it comes to Noriko, as we can see several times:
1) When she goes mask-off in the classroom the day Noriko shows up
2) When she goes mask-off in her dorm trying to get Akira to stop hanging out with Noriko
3) Her dream sequence, where Noriko simply being there causes her to freak out

Also, it's not clear that Akira and Maya were together consistently between the time he was tutoring and the time they started hooking up once she became his student at the school. Baby Finches implies that the relationship had only recently turned sexual. It's very possible that Maya freaking out over Noriko is what caused Akira to put distance between them both, and a short time after that Maya and Ami became classmates and became friends (this would also explain why Ami has no knowledge of Maya being tutored by Akira), and the relationship built from there.

This would justify Maya's reaction to Noriko -- because the last time Noriko was there, she lost Akira too.

This is speculation -- there isn't really much textual information about Akira and Maya between the time Akira vanished from Noriko's life and the school year starting, and I really hope that gets fleshed out.

and baby finches is a bit weird, but it never outright says their physical relationship only just started, just that they have one and maya acts a bit more like a teenager in love. maya has a stupid amount of pet names for akira too... its also heavily implied ami overheard it...
that and if you think talking about finches killing their children so the male finch can get more 'bird pussy' while staring at ami (who has theories that she is actually akira's daughter) was some kind of message about how Akira planned to kill her to keep getting that 'bird pussy' then well IDK... but it would be pretty fucked up. could have also been a metaphor for abortion for maya... but why stare into a close up of ami for that
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what bird was it that sensei kept seeing maya as

Spoiler: Is this a finch? there is over 200 species of this bird and none of them really look alike and cant remember from like 3 years ago what everyone said it was

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[barglenarglezous]

and baby finches is a bit weird, but it never outright says their physical relationship only just started, maya has a stupid amount of pet names for akira too... its also heavily implied ami overheard it...
that and if you think talking about finches killing their children so the male finch can get more 'bird pussy' while staring at ami (who has theories that she is actually akira's daughter) was some kind of message about how Akira planned to kill her to keep getting that 'bird pussy' then well IDK... but it would be pretty fucked up.

Stupid memory of mine. I could have sworn there was a "now that we're having sex" comment in the scene, but I couldn't find it on replay. That was what my comment was based on, but apparently I misremembered.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

Stupid memory of mine. I could have sworn there was a "now that we're having sex" comment in the scene, but I couldn't find it on replay. That was what my comment was based on, but apparently I misremembered.

it very well might have been there in an earlier version of the game

 

[barglenarglezous]

it very well might have been there in an earlier version of the game

Very true. I guess it could also be flag-dependent, and thus didn't show up on Replay. I guess I'll find out the next time I commit to a deep dive (probably around the end of Chapter 3, since my last one was right before Chapter 3 started).

 

[barglenarglezous]

that and if you think talking about finches killing their children so the male finch can get more 'bird pussy' while staring at ami (who has theories that she is actually akira's daughter) was some kind of message about how Akira planned to kill her to keep getting that 'bird pussy' then well IDK... but it would be pretty fucked up. could have also been a metaphor for abortion for maya... but why stare into a close up of ami for that

It should be noted that when Ayane was building up to telling Akira that she was pregnant, he literally interrupted her and told her he'd throw her off the roof if she did. Dude is repulsed by the idea of parenthood, so this isn't really all that far-fetched.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

It should be noted that when Ayane was building up to telling Akira that she was pregnant, he literally interrupted her and told her he'd throw her off the roof if she did. Dude is repulsed by the idea of parenthood, so this isn't really all that far-fetched.

yeah i recall that... but the context of baby finches made me think the statement might have been self contained to that warped memory in some way... nothing saying it wasn't though

 

[BlackDays]

see that is what i said. both.



and baby finches is a bit weird, but it never outright says their physical relationship only just started, just that they have one and maya acts a bit more like a teenager in love. maya has a stupid amount of pet names for akira too... its also heavily implied ami overheard it...
that and if you think talking about finches killing their children so the male finch can get more 'bird pussy' while staring at ami (who has theories that she is actually akira's daughter) was some kind of message about how Akira planned to kill her to keep getting that 'bird pussy' then well IDK... but it would be pretty fucked up.

Where does Ami have a theory that she is Akiras daughter?
I see the event a bit different. For me, the reason why Ami looks shocked is, that she waves at Akira but doesn't get any attention. He does not see her.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

Where does Ami have a theory that she is Akiras daughter?
I see the event a bit different. For me, the reason why Ami looks shocked is, that she waves at Akira but doesn't get any attention. He does not see her.

no there is a theory, that ami is akira's daughter, not that ami thought of it
or she hears sensei is banging one of her friends...

 

[ElukiaTV]

Where does Ami have a theory that she is Akiras daughter?
I see the event a bit different. For me, the reason why Ami looks shocked is, that she waves at Akira but doesn't get any attention. He does not see her.

If i remember right, from her mom diaries that she has on her room. i cant check the game files.. but you guys with tools, if i remember right, there is a part where Ami says something like "If its because you are my uncle, boy are you in for a surprise". (From the good uncle route i believe).

Also, its not that she believes she is Akira's daughter, is that her mother probably cheated, so Ami believes that her and Sensei are actually not related. That's one of the reasons she pushes so hard during the good uncle route.
(Yes, her mother cheated..but with Akira, so while she believes they might not be related... there is a chance of Sensei being her father).

 

[Kitty Hawk]

If i remember right, from her mom diaries that she has on her room. i cant check the game files.. but you guys with tools, if i remember right, there is a part where Ami says something like "If its because you are my uncle, boy are you in for a surprise". (From the good uncle route i believe).

Also, its not that she believes she is Akira's daughter, is that her mother probably cheated, so Ami believes that her and Sensei are actually not related. That's one of the reasons she pushes so hard during the good uncle route.
(Yes, her mother cheated..but with Akira, so while she believes they might not be related... there is a chance of Sensei being her father).

Ami says that in GU sauna scene, when Sensei straightforwardly rejects her "because of her blood" and she says that she has news for him but only will tell him if he proceeds and he doesn't

 

[ElukiaTV]

Yeah, that was it! Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

If i remember right, from her mom diaries that she has on her room. i cant check the game files.. but you guys with tools, if i remember right, there is a part where Ami says something like "If its because you are my uncle, boy are you in for a surprise". (From the good uncle route i believe).

Also, its not that she believes she is Akira's daughter, is that her mother probably cheated, so Ami believes that her and Sensei are actually not related. That's one of the reasons she pushes so hard during the good uncle route.
(Yes, her mother cheated..but with Akira, so while she believes they might not be related... there is a chance of Sensei being her father).

huh, the sauna event right...
that convo had two possible implied meanings that i recall
ami knows nozumi isn't her father but doesn't know its possibly akira
or... ami knows someone that akira has had sex with and is blood related to him. which from baby finches (only girl ami might have overheard a convo about sensei fucking) implies it is probably maya (we know nothing about this girls background and its not ayane clearly or niki depending on how far ami thought they ever got in their previous relationship)
her line was so vague and sarcastically delivered it could have been 'bad news, i'm not your niece' or it could have been 'bad news, you've already fucked a realitive' based on the context
could have also been an implication that ami already fucked him while he was out cold at some point maybe after drugging his food

 

[derekthered56]

huh, the sauna event right...
that convo had two possible implied meanings that i recall
ami knows nozumi isn't her father but doesn't know its akira
or... ami knows someone that akira has had sex with and is blood related to him. which from baby finches implies it is probably maya (we know nothing about this girls background)

If Ami believed she wasn't related to Akira, it wouldn't really be bad news for him and she wouldn't have any reason to keep it secret.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

If Ami believed she wasn't related to Akira, it wouldn't really be bad news for him and she wouldn't have any reason to keep it secret.

i mean... yes and no... he could have sex with her, but he would lose potentially his last blood relative so it could be viewed as bad news of a sort