Just a thought. All the times Wakana says she wants to fucking die are we sure it's not been a massive typo/sensei mishearing and she's actually saying she 'wants to die fucking'.
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Nodoka is quite a reccuring topic, isn't she? Hope you guys are just trolling.
Actualy, what exactly are you discussing? For me it is both obvious that she is bad in terms of moral (Somewhere around Sensei and Haruka) and that she is cute and well-written.
Actualy, what exactly are you discussing? For me it is both obvious that she is bad in terms of moral (Somewhere around Sensei and Haruka) and that she is cute and well-written.
Sidenote: human creatures with psychopathy are more or less same. She is a good representation of them
While she is a function, not a full-fledged character who can be called a human.
Is Ami okay with morals? I'll even ask in a different way, what does it mean to be bad with morality?
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Heh, I am sure game will explain you that you are wrong some time. Just because it is what Sel does.
I don't like Ami if you ask. Nodoka intentionaly does bad things and ignores feelings of her acquaintances. I am not going to argue on definition of good or bad, neither I intent to measure her by rank in some badness rating. If you wish to say Ami is worse than she, okay, it chagnes nothing
What a pity that his words don't always have letters. Because communicating thoughts is clearly not the best side Seleboba, lmao
Well, I agree here, we can go too deep with this
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Honestly, I don't think Nodoka is a psychopath or a sociopath (or any other term that really just comes down to meaning "thinking different is bad")
I think Nodoka suffers from Alexithymia, aka Emotional Blindness. As intelligent and apparently boundless as she is when it comes to knowledge, she seems unable to actually understand emotions.
This is shown a few times:
Nevertheless, I think if people look past their own perception of her, they might realize a few things:
Nodoka is actually trying to help others most of the time. She's not perfect, but she's really not nearly as bad as most seem to think.
Overall: Nodoka isn't some kind of Sociopathic Satan. She's just complex. She still has feelings:
And she seems like one of the few people that might actually be able to save everyone in the end.
However, it seems like her main flaw is that she sucks at getting others to understand what she needs them to:
So, we'll just have to wait and see if she's able to find a way, then things might become clearer.
I think Nodoka suffers from Alexithymia, aka Emotional Blindness. As intelligent and apparently boundless as she is when it comes to knowledge, she seems unable to actually understand emotions.
This is shown a few times:
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Nevertheless, I think if people look past their own perception of her, they might realize a few things:
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Overall: Nodoka isn't some kind of Sociopathic Satan. She's just complex. She still has feelings:
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However, it seems like her main flaw is that she sucks at getting others to understand what she needs them to:
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You have a real knack for laying things out man. I said a short while ago how i like Nodoka for her place in the story, not who she is as a person but you've given me a lot to think about now...
Oh, if you understood Russian, I could insert a lot of things now, but since we may have a lot of misunderstandings, I will say only one thing — Psychopathy is not bad, it's the same syndrome where they don't really take into attention the emotions of others and fully understand them. It's not good and not bad, it's just the same disease. And as for the fact that Nodoka doesn't understand, there are exactly two points:
First, why did she say it was worth it when she was beaten?
The second is why did she understand Futaba's feelings from Yumi at all, and when she came and said that she had done garbage with this story in a book, she did not understand? Moreover, she herself did not invite her to the presentation, knowing that she would not like it and she would feel uncomfortable
And I'll tell you why, because the Texas creator himself does not know what his Nodoka is, she's like that, that's it. Logic is also not about Selebus... Sorry
First, why did she say it was worth it when she was beaten?
The second is why did she understand Futaba's feelings from Yumi at all, and when she came and said that she had done garbage with this story in a book, she did not understand? Moreover, she herself did not invite her to the presentation, knowing that she would not like it and she would feel uncomfortable
And I'll tell you why, because the Texas creator himself does not know what his Nodoka is, she's like that, that's it. Logic is also not about Selebus... Sorry
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Whether everyone likes Nodoka or not, I just want to let her know that please go to Tsuneyo once you realize what you've done and is in need of a sharp item asap
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Mmm Idk, for me, Nodoka enjoyed herself hurting Yumi, sure, Yumi started by bullying Futaba (please don't start debating if that was worse or if that was a ton of shit), but I can't just settle that Nodoka assaulted Yumi to protect Futaba, again, I still see it more like an excuse for her to do that (not to mention how Nodoka was molesting Makoto that day).
But yeah, maybe there's more of Nodoka that still we don't know, I will wait to see a few more of her to try to understand her, but for now she's on my top of shittiest ppl in the game.
And also, she not being a sociopath nor a psycopath would just make her a worst person.
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Psychopathy is just a catch all term for mental illness. However, it's used mostly to describe someone seen as bad or villainous. Psychos. Etc.
Okay, so I can only roughly understand what you're saying here, but I think this should answer your questions:
- Nodoka said it was worth it because Yumi (the villain) was getting in trouble for trying to murder her in public, and Nodoka herself ended up between two girls. She more or less explained the second part:
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- Nodoka knew that Futaba was bulimic, constantly self deprecating, and constantly crying because of Yumi. Everyone knew Yumi was hurting Futaba. You don't have to understand the pain someone is in, to know that they are in pain. Nodoka seems to mostly just assume how others feel based off rationale.
- (Not entirely sure what you mean by "done garbage") Nodoka didn't understand why Futaba was upset with the story, because it's just a rectangle:
The story is not actually what's upsetting Futaba. It's Futaba's feelings that come from the story that is. Futaba actually found what Nodoka wrote as "sweet" and even "loved it":You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
- Nodoka knew explaining the book to Futaba would be difficult, so she just didn't tell her about it. She explained this:
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Nodoka even seems to imply that all you need to do to understand her is read:
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But moving from Nodoka I wanted to share my thoughts on another character with debatable actions and her confrontation with Ayane, Kirin.
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Yeah, Nodoka definitely enjoyed punishing Yumi. She also was avenging Futaba:
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Yumi has more or less already damaged Futaba for life:
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There's a reason even Miku would murder Yumi out of everyone else:
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My thoughts on Kirin:
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Heh, well, I don't know, but I believe she is.
If I had to say who I think are the "best good humans" of the main girls I would say:
Noriko
Futaba
Yumi
Ayane
Maybe Io.
Not saying that the others girls aren't good humans, just a totally biased and probably wrong ranking based on almost nothing
Well, I had enough of this in the Russian segment and I can't spend another 100500 hours here because of the language barrier. About Kirin.
Futaba broke herself
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I am definitely curious how this whole book thing will go between Nodoka and Futaba. Not to mention, how Nodoka will rationalize sleeping with Sensei behind Futaba's back.
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"Yumi"... :
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