Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

I don't know if I blacked out and missed a bunch of stuff, but who are these characters and what's their relevance?

Where are they from? Was there a game or something?

Sel seems to have a few prequels to Lessons in Love that were never actually finished.

After last update though, in the latest Happy Event 'Rain King', it seems implied that even those unfinished games and characters are tied into Lessons in Love:

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Presumably they are all related through something like the Upside Down House, like Sensei's mother, Saki, but it's possible they are just cameos. Although, that's what most thought about Saki and it's rather clear it's more than that, in her case.

Edit: In Retrospect, there being 3 games created by Sel, and 3 numbers mentioned by Yasu:

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Could imply the games represent worlds. Saki and her characters could be 22, and since LiL seems to be 23, that would probably mean Kanon and the rest are from 24. Perhaps LiL is actually the middle of a trilogy?

Yasu's words continue to haunt me:

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[fdsasdf_p]

I don't know, were this information here, but here

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Spoiler: Asa info

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Spoiler: Riko info

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Spoiler: Kanon info

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Spoiler: Izumi info

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UPD.

Almost finished with the new Rin, but decided to try an experiment with the old color.

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UPDx2.
Uh, you're less active today. Therefore in this update I am posting a ready-made Rin 4CH card. It also includes an alternative option.

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I was just about to ask if anyone knows the origin of Kanon (literally about to hit POST REPLY), assuming she's another parody version of an actual cast just like Tsurumi; then all these girls all come out at the same time out of literal thin air and get me confused unga bunga again.

Going to assume for now that these are solely just either design idea prototypes of some girls, or extremely inside jokes/references only Sel himself gets

 

[Duskreyn]

That was a little game that was born a few months after the creation of LiL, when he created his subscribestar, but Selebus never finished it. go here, for more context. https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-35-0-selebus.48158/post-3839816 ----->

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[akselx]

That was a little game that was born a few months after the creation of LiL, when he created his subscribestar, but Selebus never finished it. go here, for more context. https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-35-0-selebus.48158/post-3839816 ----->

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( Grow Old. Then Die. )

It seems like Sellebus really wanted to create his own cinematic universe with overarching narrative and plot that eventually ties everything together, but cut corners along the way, lol. Ambitious.

 

[Bingoogus]

It seems like Sellebus really wanted to create his own cinematic universe with overarching narrative and plot that eventually ties everything together, but cut corners along the way, lol. Ambitious.

So he wanted MCU but ended up going the DCU route?

 

[DeSkel15]

That was a little game that was born a few months after the creation of LiL, when he created his subscribestar, but Selebus never finished it. go here, for more context. https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-35-0-selebus.48158/post-3839816 ----->

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( Grow Old. Then Die. )

So, LiL really is in the middle of Sel's games.. interesting. Considering Saki was treated as a parent to LiL's MC, with presumably NiB's MC being the father, perhaps Kanon and her brother are Sensei's kids, since her brother seemed to be the next in line to be a MC, in GOTD.

Their presumably brown hair also fits Sensei's and the Shapeshifter's in my opinion, and if she's Sensei's daughter through Ayane, I wonder who Kanon's mother is? She has Noriko's hair style, but her eyes don't seem to match anyone's quite right as far as I can tell:

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Probably won't ever matter much, but I'm definitely intrigued. Also fits what Nao seemed to imply was Sensei's fate:

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The offspring in this case, perhaps being Kanon and her brother. Maybe also, the Shapeshifter.

 

[ElukiaTV]

Considering how many clones LiL got... the LCU is already done. XD

 

[BlackDays]

Maybe i can shed some new light on this whole (what could we call it?), i guess i'm going with Lessons in Love Unified Lore Universe. LILULU or LULU? ^^
Don't take this all too seriously though.

IIRC Sel like's David Lynch.
Lynch was the creator (besides other media i guess) of the 1984's movie "Dune", based on Frank Herberts Dune (Universe).
Now, some of you might know, but for those who don't, Dune, every iteration of it that was released as movies until now (Org. Dune 1984, Dune TV series ~2000/ 6 parts, recent new movie and it's sequels), are part of a rather large story, where the "Dune" part is in the middle. And Dune makes just about a 1/10th of the whole story (If we include Herbert's son, who continued the story).

What i want to get to is, maybe Sel is trying the same thing.
Creating a whole universe (that's in... erm coherent) where Lil is taking place in.

He could be using his prior game attempts as a lore backup, while, like with Dune, they won't have a real impact on Lil, besides stage setting.

The only exception i see yet, is the "Upside Down house". The "Upside Down House" might be something that pierces through the whole story/lore universe.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Shouldn't Chinami also be on the list of girls with new designs/outfits next to her sister if the next update really is going to be starting in Ayaneverse?

Chinami should also be rid of a reason to keep her bleach blonde hair just like Chika if the cause of it is going to be rewritten from the root. Unless any effect of Ayaneverse is only on a psychic level (i.e., trauma is not gone, but overcome), and only does its work on Chika and not Chinami somehow due to Ayane's understanding to everyone's situation, but this imo is a little creepy and is very close to lazy writing.

Considering Chika getting a new job and how Sel responded to the question "why Rin dyed her hair", the changes we've sneak peeked might just be a normal progression within the stories when at the same time welcoming the arrival of a season that Kumon-mi never has (here goes your normal I guess).
What I will not understand is why dyeing her hair black is a requirement from the maid cafe if such thing turns out to be true. C'mom! Classic gyaru maids! How very hot and fetishizable!

Besides, if Ayane does obtain power to make changes, the first thing she might do is make herself forget all of this and reset herself to an old oblivious version after seeing Ami's horrible death, instead of suddenly becoming a new messiah not just for Sensei, but for almost everyone (because apparently not everyone gets their fix in this Ayaneverse).

 

[barglenarglezous]

Considering Chika getting a new job and how Sel responded to the question "why Rin dyed her hair", the changes we've sneak peeked might just be a normal progression within the stories when at the same time welcoming the arrival of a season that Kumon-mi never has (here goes your normal I guess).
What I will not understand is why dyeing her hair black is a requirement from the maid cafe if such thing turns out to be true. C'mom! Classic gyaru maids! How very hot and fetishizable!

Gyaru maids in Japan only exist in "Gyaru maid cafes," where every maid is gyaru. From a business perspective, they wouldn't blend well with the traditional maid theme.

Gyaru are seen by many as loud and obnoxious, and maid cafes are about playing up the theme, which means pushing those traits to an extreme. That's great if you're really into it, but if you're in the maid cafe for the Uta or Ami-chan experience, and there's someone playing up the gyaru stereotype at another table, it's going to sour your experience.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Interesting is, that some girls now seem to have those... neck bands?, or what would they be called?

Choker. The ones that are tight against the neck like Rin and Kirin are wearing are called chokers.

And Chika's is a collar, complete with a tag.

 

[ElukiaTV]

Shouldn't Chinami also be on the list of girls with new designs/outfits next to her sister if the next update really is going to be starting in Ayaneverse?

Chinami should also be rid of a reason to keep her bleach blonde hair just like Chika if the cause of it is going to be rewritten from the root. Unless any effect of Ayaneverse is only on a psychic level (i.e., trauma is not gone, but overcome), and only does its work on Chika and not Chinami somehow due to Ayane's understanding to everyone's situation, but this imo is a little creepy and is very close to lazy writing.

Considering Chika getting a new job and how Sel responded to the question "why Rin dyed her hair", the changes we've sneak peeked might just be a normal progression within the stories when at the same time welcoming the arrival of a season that Kumon-mi never has (here goes your normal I guess).
What I will not understand is why dyeing her hair black is a requirement from the maid cafe if such thing turns out to be true. C'mom! Classic gyaru maids! How very hot and fetishizable!

Besides, if Ayane does obtain power to make changes, the first thing she might do is make herself forget all of this and reset herself to an old oblivious version after seeing Ami's horrible death, instead of suddenly becoming a new messiah not just for Sensei, but for almost everyone (because apparently not everyone gets their fix in this Ayaneverse).

Does Ayane even know of Chinami?

 

[barglenarglezous]

He could be using his prior game attempts as a lore backup, while, like with Dune, they won't have a real impact on Lil, besides stage setting.

The content that exists for those games are prototypes for future games. He's already said on the Discord that after LiL is over he's hiring an art team and doing Nothing is Beautiful from scratch.

 

[DeSkel15]

Shouldn't Chinami also be on the list of girls with new designs/outfits next to her sister if the next update really is going to be starting in Ayaneverse?

Chinami should also be rid of a reason to keep her bleach blonde hair just like Chika if the cause of it is going to be rewritten from the root. Unless any effect of Ayaneverse is only on a psychic level (i.e., trauma is not gone, but overcome), and only does its work on Chika and not Chinami somehow due to Ayane's understanding to everyone's situation, but this imo is a little creepy and is very close to lazy writing.

Considering Chika getting a new job and how Sel responded to the question "why Rin dyed her hair", the changes we've sneak peeked might just be a normal progression within the stories when at the same time welcoming the arrival of a season that Kumon-mi never has (here goes your normal I guess).
What I will not understand is why dyeing her hair black is a requirement from the maid cafe if such thing turns out to be true. C'mom! Classic gyaru maids! How very hot and fetishizable!

Besides, if Ayane does obtain power to make changes, the first thing she might do is make herself forget all of this and reset herself to an old oblivious version after seeing Ami's horrible death, instead of suddenly becoming a new messiah not just for Sensei, but for almost everyone (because apparently not everyone gets their fix in this Ayaneverse).

It's possible a few characters are just ignored by Ayane. Like Yumi or Chinami, Kaori, etc.

Chika may have only been changed because she's fucking Sensei and even Ayane found her delusional:

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That does beg the question why Makoto and Miku don't seem changed though. Albeit, it's possible even the Moderator of the universe has limits. Especially when it comes to those who died or were dying before resets. I'd think Ami would have brought back her mother at least if that was an option, instead of simply visiting her grave for eternity.

Then again, just because the universe might be Ayane's, it doesn't mean she's actually in charge. The Shapeshifter or Pareidolia could be the ones actually in control.

Or something entirely different is going on and any better world implication is merely a red herring.

 

[crustlord12]

It's possible a few characters are just ignored by Ayane. Like Yumi or Chinami, Kaori, etc.

Or something entirely different is going on

Yes, like the fact that this "Ayaneverse" is just an unsubstantiated fan-theory right now I love the fan theories but it always gets a bit funny when the community really spirals into them like it's the true confirmed story, when it's really just an interpretation of a few scenes.

Not calling anyone out at all, and I actually really like the concept of the Ayaneverse, just more of an observation that there could be plenty of other reasons for it and to not dig too deeply into the Mines of Mayaoria

 

[barglenarglezous]

Or something entirely different is going on and any better world implication is merely a red herring.

Yup. The Ayaneverse was a fun thought experiment back when we only had the t-posed models to work with, but now that we're seeing them in context, I think we can discard it. Especially with Sel stating that the changes are all because of character progression or just teenagers changing their look (Rin's already done this before, after all).

He also very specifically shit on the idea that Rin's inner sadness has gone away, so that definitely did not happen.

 

[DeSkel15]

Yes, like the fact that this "Ayaneverse" is just an unsubstantiated fan-theory right now I love the fan theories but it always gets a bit funny when the community really spirals into them like it's the true confirmed story, when it's really just an interpretation of a few scenes.

Not calling anyone out at all, and I actually really like the concept of the Ayaneverse, just more of an observation that there could be plenty of other reasons for it and to not dig too deeply into the Mines of Mayaoria

To be fair, I did make it clear I wasn't exactly awake when I brought up this Ayaneverse thing, lmao:

Definitely possible.

Speaking of Paper City, something that just came to mind is how Ayane isn't apart of the changes. She was immune to Paper City:

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I'm probably just not all there right now, due to the changes and lack of sleep, lmao, but...

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I'm virtually always half asleep.

Overall: Much like the Shapeshifter's name being Himawari or Daisy etc, we won't actually know until we know. Even then, what we know could be revealed to be wrong later on. This game loves playing around with perception and what's real or not.

The only one who actually knows what's going on is Sel, and to be honest, that's more of an assumption, than fact, lol. I know I love keeping myself guessing when I write.

 

[DeSkel15]

Yup. The Ayaneverse was a fun thought experiment back when we only had the t-posed models to work with, but now that we're seeing them in context, I think we can discard it. Especially with Sel stating that the changes are all because of character progression or just teenagers changing their look (Rin's already done this before, after all).

He also very specifically shit on the idea that Rin's inner sadness has gone away, so that definitely did not happen.

I wouldn't buy for a second that Sel just made depression go away for the likes of Rin. It's too personal. Rin also isn't fucking Sensei, so I don't really think Ayane would care that much when it comes to her, anyway.

Edit: it's far more likely that Rin and Otoha just broke up or something. Or seeing Sensei with Sana sent Rin into a midlife crisis lol.

 

[BlackDays]

Choker. The ones that are tight against the neck like Rin and Kirin are wearing are called chokers.

And Chika's is a collar, complete with a tag.

That's funny, because aren't those things for dogs also called collars? Or was that what you were already pointing out?
Because, we have Maya "The stray cat", with a bell... collar? and Chika with a coller with the "Bitch" tag. Which means, afaik
female dog in heat. I think Chika even once cosplayed as a dog girl. So, why did we never had an event that emphasized on this cat and dog fight between Maya and Chika? Or did we, and i forgot?

The content that exists for those games are prototypes for future games. He's already said on the Discord that after LiL is over he's hiring an art team and doing Nothing is Beautiful from scratch.

Only thing i knew, was the part, that he thought about hiring artists for a project after Lil. That being NIB, is new to me.
I just hope that i will be a loose prequel, if at all, with maybe cameos.
Thinking that NIB would have a recognizeable impact on Lil, feels like bloating everything into oblivion.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

That's funny, because aren't those things for dogs also called collars? Or was that what you were already pointing out?
Because, we have Maya "The stray cat", with a bell... collar? and Chika with a coller with the "Bitch" tag. Which means, afaik
female dog in heat. I think Chika even once cosplayed as a dog girl. So, why did we never had an event that emphasized on this cat and dog fight between Maya and Chika? Or did we, and i forgot?

Because Chika was just doing a very sexualized cosplay, and Maya was just being lost in her thoughts. Neither of them really carry the idea of dog or cat traits as their central features. Even if they did, Chika vs Maya, or any cat vs dog pair (Maki vs Chinami?) wouldn’t really give anything meaningful.

Speaking of chokers, I actually happen to know someone who also wore a choker with a bell back in my college days.
His reason was that (yes the insensitive little me asked him bluntly) this was a subtle and low profile announcement that he belonged to someone, and I’ve been picturing Maya being in a similar shoe.