Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Apollo259]

Just what the hell is up with this? Akira wakes up in this classroom, but he's a shadow, and then amiokay addresses him as Sekai, while saying she's an honorary angel now - wtf

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I don't know what to make about any of that. Especially about her calling him Sekai (that's what the kanji means btw, if that wasn't clear).

At the start he says “I am a shadow now. But whose shadow am I?” So you can assume it's saying he, or part of him, is Sekai's "shadow". And given the happy events contain a lot of strange twisted fragments of his memories/mind. You could again interpret it as something along the lines of Sekai’s "shadow" being the messed up love that Akira learned from Sekai being passed on / inflected on to Maya. Or at least, that some of the memories of his relationship with Maya, heavily involve the love that he learnt from Sekai.

It also flashes the following image which is text from Maya's perspective. It contains the line “I finally knew what it meant to be loved” while, as a wizard, she is being fingered by Akira. Which is also essentially what Akira seems to have felt about Sekai when she was first abusing him.

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You can probably interpret it differently if you want. But this is the way I am reading it at the moment. As similar logic fits with imagery and metaphors in other happy events. Like the one where “am I okay” is crucified on the letter “t”. That “t” could again be interpreted as the love Akira learnt from Sekai aka “Teacher”/”T”. Being inflicted on Maya and Akira possibly feeling somewhat conflicted about it. Or something like that anyway.

(Also maybe Sekai is the Capitalised letter “T” and Akira is the uncapitalized letter “t”? Although I only just thought of that while writing this, so I'm not sure if it would even fit with later events that talk about T’s and t’s.)

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Now I understand what you were talking about with the bath scene between Yumi and Nodoka. Like, in my playthrough Yumi left the room so quickly that Nodoka couldn't do anything about it, and that was enough for me to begin to dislike Nodoka. But now, when I saw what could happen, that was the worst thing she had ever done.

 

[BlackDays]

Except the women who gets such a hard ladyboner from thinking of her daugther -maybe even daugthers- getting it on with her teacher? Eh... i dont know, i mean even if i ignore this, she has almost a pathological need to interfere in other peoples lifes. Alone how fast she did bond with a girl she didnt knew, she has nothing in common with and mostly know her from having loud sex with a much older man, that turned out later to be her teacher, seems really strange to me.

Wouldn't be surprised if Tsubasas's husband (Touka's father) turns out to be Chika's and Chinami's father too.
Or any other imaginable connection.
One of Chika's parents was Filipino, but the other one is Japanese.
Tsubasa taking so much interest in Chika's famliy seems strange enough, like she is feeling some kind of responsibility out of place.

 

[Moonflare]

Now I understand what you were talking about with the bath scene between Yumi and Nodoka. Like, in my playthrough Yumi left the room so quickly that Nodoka couldn't do anything about it, and that was enough for me to begin to dislike Nodoka. But now, when I saw what could happen, that was the worst thing she had ever done.

Wait, what? there's a version of that scene where Nodoka doesn't cuck Yumi? (or commit sexual assault/blackmail in general)

 

[Xiondingens]

that was the worst thing she had ever done.

It is by far the worst any of the girls have done so far. And it was mostly just for fun. I mean when i look at how little she cares about hurting futabas feelings with her stupid book, i just cant believe she did this for her "friend".

Edit: Or this stupid BS that she did it to somehow help yumi. I have trouble believing how someone can come up with such BS even as fanfiction.

Wouldn't be surprised if Tsubasas's husband (Touka's father) turns out to be Chika's and Chinami's father too.
Or any other imaginable connection.
One of Chika's parents was Filipino, but the other one is Japanese.
Tsubasa taking so much interest in Chika's famliy seems strange enough, like she is feeling some kind of responsibility out of place.

But she already took interest in chika long before she had any chance to do any research who she is. And then the richest guy in town, i mean we are talking about comically rich, did father not just one child with a women from the poor side of down, but even two? And all that while he was already married with tsubasa and made two kids there too?

I can believe the coincidence that chika and chinami are around the same age as tako and tsukasa. But i cant believe the coincidence that a rich guy did sneak away from his rich family long enough to breed a poor woman twice around the same time.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Wait, what? there's a version of that scene where Nodoka doesn't cuck Yumi? (or commit sexual assault/blackmail in general)

Yeah, Yumi just runs away. Alas, there were more details, but I don't remember them

 

[Xiondingens]

Wait, what? there's a version of that scene where Nodoka doesn't cuck Yumi? (or commit sexual assault/blackmail in general)

Yeah, when she learns of chika and akira before this event happens, she doesnt fall for nodokas blackmail attempt and just walks away basically.

 

[Moonflare]

At the start he says “I am a shadow now. But whose shadow am I?” So you can assume it's saying he, or part of him, is sekai's "shadow". And given the happy events contain a lot of strange twisted fragments of his memories/mind. You could again interpret it as something along the lines of Sekai’s "shadow" being the messed up love that Akira learned from Sekai being passed on / inflected on to Maya. Or at least, that some of the memories of his relationship with Maya, heavily involve the love that he learnt from Sekai.

It also flashes the following image which is text from Maya's perspective. It contains the line “I finally knew what it meant to be loved” while, as a wizard, she is being fingered by Akira. Which is also essentially what Akira seems to have felt about Sekai when she was first abusing him.

Spoiler: do you remember the first time you told me you loved me?

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You can probably interpret it differently if you want. But this is the way I am reading it at the moment. As similar logic fits with imagery and metaphors in other happy events. Like the one where “am I okay” is crucified on the letter “t”. That “t” could again be interpreted as the love Akira learnt from Sekai aka “Teacher”/”T”. Being inflicted on Maya and Akira possibly feeling somewhat conflicted about it. Or something like that anyway.

(Also maybe Sekai is the Capitalised letter “T” and Akira is the uncapitalized letter “t”? Although I only just thought of that while writing this, so I'm not sure if it would even fit with later events that talk about T’s and t’s.)

All of this makes a lot of sense actually. Or at the very least provides me with a template to interpret these things. I like the angle about him inflicting all of this on amiokay as Sekai's shadow. There's also youdidit, which may reinforce him doing it, idk.

I feel like i'm re-examining a LOT of things, and discovering many for the first time too. Like, he being at the bottom of the wishing well, and is that the same place as the edge of the world/room with the clocks or no? Also, amiokay is at the room with the clocks with him, and wants to escape - and tells him the way they do it is by opening their eyes, that's how they become free - which is the same that Nodoka says. Anyway, just pointing out how much I have to think about.

Also, thanks for the scarf thing, I always missed why that was so important for Maya.

 

[Moonflare]

Yeah, Yumi just runs away. Alas, there were more details, but I don't remember them

Yeah, when she learns of chika and akira before this event happens, she doesnt fall for nodokas blackmail attempt and just walks away basically.

I have been shocked by a LOT of things here, but this tops them all. What the actual hell. This is so integral to Nodoka's character, and Yumi and Akira's relationship. If Yumi is never a victim in that scene, then her relationship with Akira is never damaged at that point, and she has no reason to bash Nodoka's face in though. I'm probably missing something.

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

I have been shocked by a LOT of things here, but this tops them all. What the actual hell. This is so integral to Nodoka's character, and Yumi and Akira's relationship. If Yumi is never a victim in that scene, then her relationship with Akira is never damaged at that point, and she has no reason to bash Nodoka's face in though. I'm probably missing something.

Like, basically the whole thing is still the same. But without the lewd scene.

 

[Nadekai]

I have been shocked by a LOT of things here, but this tops them all. What the actual hell. This is so integral to Nodoka's character, and Yumi and Akira's relationship. If Yumi is never a victim in that scene, then her relationship with Akira is never damaged at that point, and she has no reason to bash Nodoka's face in though. I'm probably missing something.

How can I blackmail Yumi myself, so to say... to make the cannon event happen?

 

[Xiondingens]

I have been shocked by a LOT of things here, but this tops them all. What the actual hell. This is so integral to Nodoka's character, and Yumi and Akira's relationship. If Yumi is never a victim in that scene, then her relationship with Akira is never damaged at that point, and she has no reason to bash Nodoka's face in though. I'm probably missing something.

No, you dont really are missing anything. That is just the problem with those optional events. I mean just think of ayane and kirin, kirin blackmail and sexual assault ayane is optional. And still, their friendship is still over, even when this didnt happened. And lets be honest, the event when she does stand up against kirin is such a big boost in her character grow that will just be lacking if you didnt go down this route.

But of course her character will still be the same. The curse of the optional content that has and hasnt meaning. Those are real schroedingers events.

 

[Moonflare]

Like, basically the whole thing is still the same. But without the lewd scene.

Isn't the point of the scene that Nodoka

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How much of that is cut in this other version?

 

[Xiondingens]

Isn't the point of the scene that Nodoka

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How much of that is cut in this other version?

She leaves after

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[Moonflare]

She leaves after

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Okay, this is insane.

And still, their friendship is still over, even when this didnt happened. And lets be honest, the event when she does stand up against kirin is such a big boost in her character grow that will just be lacking if you didnt go down this route.

I never knew, this is so lame then. If their friendship is still over but without reason it just seems like things happened and we chose to block it out or something.

I'm heading straight there to watch the Yuno Yumi, (can't even write her name properly that's how shocked I am).

 

[Xiondingens]

I never knew, this is so lame then. If their friendship is still over but without reason it just seems like things happened and we chose to block it out or something.

Well the problem is that Sel basically just writes a linear story, not a branching one. So the overall outcome always has to be the same. I mean sure, there is some changed dialogue here and there and you will maybe miss out on additional events. But none of your choices have any affect on characters, the personas, the relationships, the main story or anything. All that always has to stay the same.

And you can call it lame, but this linear story structure helps Sel to make one update per month. Because his work is more or less always the same. In oposition to a branching story structure where those choices would matter, but end up in more and more and more content and work and timeinvestment for each update.

Personally i would prefer it if he would just remove this illusion of choice and by that avoid those weird developments like the friends Kirin and Ayane suddenly no longer hang out with each other and act like they are no longer friends for no reason.

 

[Apollo259]

The first half of the scene still happens I think. The naked photo and blackmail stuff and she leaves (while still naked?) after Nodoka tells her what she wants her to do.

Also I thought it was the other way around. You get the Yumiknows flag set to true by doing the Abyss event before going to the hot springs with Chika. Which from memory basically happens if you don't go to the hot springs with her on the first available weekend. Which then seems to cause Chika to talk to Yumi about it in kind of a paranoid way or something like that. So when you get to the Nodoka part Yumi thinks that Chika would believe Nodoka about the naked photo of her and Akira so she stays not wanting to hurt Chika or their friendship in anyway.
But if its set to false she just leaves because she does not think Chika would believe Nodoka.

Or maybe I'm the one that has it backwards. I recall it being slightly counterintuitive as to what true/false flag lead to with that event.

 

[Xiondingens]

Also I thought it was the other way around. You get the Yumiknows flag set to true by doing the Abyss event before going to the hot springs with Chika.

I might missremember this, i admit that could be.

Edit: Just checked and no, looks like i am correct.

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[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

The following event, Things That Hurt

Oh, I skipped one more event in the past...

 

[Apollo259]

I might missremember this, i admit that could be.

Edit: Just checked and no, looks like i am correct.

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Isn't that what I said? "Abyss event before going to the hot springs"

This is probably why I remember it being confusing.