Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Ma1phas]

But there is a difference between getting told something and actually thinking about it when writing. Even if you write a self insert. And even if you are fully convinced you are the greatest guy ever. The disconnect to yourself just has let to some selfreflect. Unless you are a talentless scribbler who has no idea about anything. But we know that this is not the case.

I really don't think you fully appreciate just how unaware this type of person really is to how they ACTUALLY come off to others.
I find it completely believable for one to write a self insert that's a smug, self-serving know-it-all who just effortlessly gets succeeds in everything because they're just that smart, and anyone who gets upset just doesn't understand, and they only really make mistakes because of totally unpredictable third party factors.
And I can see them doing it completely unironically with no self reflection, because of course she'll always be vindicated in the end, as they think they are in real life.

 

[Xiondingens]

And I can see them doing it completely unironically with no self reflection, because of course she'll always be vindicated in the end, as they think they are in real life.

But then, why hasnt that happen already? Why did he wrote futaba still as angry? I mean this would explain why neither Ron nor Noriko had a problem going to the event, even after cold hearted bitch move against Io. But it doesnt explain why futuba is still angry. Because that was a choice. A decision he made. And it is clear he made the decision that futaba has not forgiven her alleged best friend.

 

[Nadekai]

I mean, he'd fuck his mother (Touka) and daughter (Ami), but not his sister? (Noriko gets him hard when she plays an imouto) - let's get real, Akira. You have fucked a watermelon.

But he actually had fucked his sister... maybe, he's just filling gaps he didn't fill earlier?

Wouldn't it be fun if Sensei blacked out and assaulted Io?

How probable is that it actually happens?

 

[Moonflare]

If Nodoka is Sensei's sister, I guess that'd make Nodoka, Ami's aunt, which would be...interesting.

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also, from the same event

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[Ma1phas]

But then, why hasnt that happen already? Why did he wrote futaba still as angry? I mean this would explain why neither Ron nor Noriko had a problem going to the event, even after cold hearted bitch move against Io. But it doesnt explain why futuba is still angry. Because that was a choice. A decision he made. And it is clear he made the decision that futaba has not forgiven her alleged best friend.

And yet she still praised it, and lets Naoko hang around her, because nobody would ever want to actually alienate her.
Futaba is the one she "cares" about, so her conflict is the only one that matters in this context. Others are brushed aside and not explored, likely forgotten entirely.
But don't worry, Nodoka is right and Futaba is just being unreasonable and in her grace, Nodoka will forgive her when she's done pouting.

But I think at this point, I'm letting my own experiences growing up with these types of "people", their tactics, and the deep psychological scars its left color my analysis on this character a bit too much. So maybe it's best I wrap up playing armchair psychologist for incestuous she-Sheldon.

 

[Xiondingens]

incestuous she-Sheldon.

Great, thanks. Now you have done it. Now she is connected in my mind with that terrible character from the gang bang theory.

 

[Ma1phas]

Great, thanks. Now you have done it. Now she is connected in my mind with that terrible character from the gang bang theory.

You're welcome. :^)

 

[derekthered56]

I think you guys are letting the Sel hate cloud things a bit too much. After the Io thing, pretty much every character declares Nodoka terrible. Uta, who was harassed by pedophiles as a child, calls it the most disgusting thing she's ever seen. Imani, who was okay with alligators and Death Ball in her contests, immediately kicked her out. Ayane, probably the most lawful good member of the cast, mused that maybe Yumi was justified in beating her half to death. Even Otoha was disappointed. That's not a poor misunderstood genius, that's as in the wrong as a character can be.

I wouldn't see that scene as isolated from her fight with Futaba, but rather a further illustration of how fucked up her "everything would be fine if you looked at it from my perspective" mindset is. And given how explicitly she promised not to reveal Futaba's relationship earlier, and how she calls back to the lust novel thing when breaking her promise not to have sex with Akira, I'd say that Sel intended for Nodoka to be a massive self-serving hypocrite from the beginning.

 

[Xiondingens]

I think you guys are letting the Sel hate cloud things a bit too much. After the Io thing, pretty much every character declares Nodoka terrible. Uta, who was harassed by pedophiles as a child, calls it the most disgusting thing she's ever seen. Imani, who was okay with alligators and Death Ball in her contests, immediately kicked her out. Ayane, probably the most lawful good member of the cast, mused that maybe Yumi was justified in beating her half to death. Even Otoha was disappointed. That's not a poor misunderstood genius, that's as in the wrong as a character can be.

I guess you are right, but it was less any emotion i have towarda sel and more the fact that the girls still did appear at her little sex event that let me sort of forgot about those things. I mean i can see Kirin just not caring, Makoto still on her "everything resets nothing matters" trip, Sana been too horny because of what the sexgods did to her. But i am still disapointed that Ron, Molly and Noriko did appear and have seemingly no problem with what she did. Because i really cant find any excuse for those three to appear. I mean molly and ron may have been gotten the hornies and noriko was dragged along by kirin, but that is just not enough.

 

[Nadekai]

Sana been too horny because of what the sexgods did to her.

What do you mean by that?
Also, why do gods Gods try to make us rape everyone?

 

[DeSkel15]

I guess you are right, but it was less any emotion i have towarda sel and more the fact that the girls still did appear at her little sex event that let me sort of forgot about those things. I mean i can see Kirin just not caring, Makoto still on her "everything resets nothing matters" trip, Sana been too horny because of what the sexgods did to her. But i am still disapointed that Ron, Molly and Noriko did appear and have seemingly no problem with what she did. Because i really cant find any excuse for those three to appear. I mean molly and ron may have been gotten the hornies and noriko was dragged along by kirin, but that is just not enough.

Kind of been waiting to see if anyone else pointed this out, but Noriko probably still doesn't know about the Io thing:

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Rin somewhat cares (Horny always wins out), but the rest that went didn't seem to care much.

Noriko might be mad when she finds out, albeit Nodoka did apologize at the beginning of her 'Meet & Fuck' Chapter 4 Event. Of course, until she apologizes to Io (and Uta), it's somewhat pointless, and it's not really something you can take back, anyway.

What do you mean by that?
Also, why do gods Gods try to make us rape everyone?

HOPE seemed to make Sana extra horny throughout Chapter 3, and it seemed to want Sensei to take something he shouldn't for HOPE which was presumably Sana in Chapter 3. The gods/USERs supposedly feel what Sensei does, so when he gets laid, so do they.

Specific girls or intentions may also make them stronger? It's not entirely clear.

Edit: Locations also probably play a factor.

 

[Xiondingens]

What do you mean by that?

Where are you right now? Because just a second before i did press post reply i thought that instead of not remembering, you might not have encountered this. So, i did answer your question, but you might not want to click on the spoiler, but i leave that up to you. You have been warned.
I mean that Sana has been touched by something supernatural and since that night her behaviour has changed. That was the point she started to become constantly horny and just masterbate everywhere.

 

[Nadekai]

Where are you right now? Because just a second before i did press post reply i thought that instead of not remembering, you might not have encountered this. So, i did answer your question, but you might not want to click on the spoiler, but i leave that up to you. You have been warned.
I mean that Sana has been touched by something supernatural and since that night her behaviour has changed. That was the point she started to become constantly horny and just masterbate everywhere.

I finished the game, I am just not sure in which event it occurred, Earliest I remember her being hypersexual is when she got caught masturbating in a toilet...

I suppose I'll need to replay the whole game to start putting puzzle pieces together...

 

[Xiondingens]

I finished the game, I am just not sure in which event it occurred, Earliest I remember her being hypersexual is when she got caught masturbating in a toilet...

I suppose I'll need to replay the whole game to start putting puzzle pieces together...

Oh, you have catched up? Well, better save then sorry and i dont remember the name of the event myself. I just remember it happened during the night and before all of this started with her.

 

[Nadekai]

Oh, you have catched up? Well, better save then sorry and i dont remember the name of the event myself. I just remember it happened during the night and before all of this started with her.

I will most likely replay the whole game next time update comes rolling around so I can catch up... not fuck up any choices... understand references... and experience heart-break as I see Maya getting fucked out of existence once again..

 

[fdsasdf_p]

What scene is this from? I don't remember it...

This is from the pre rework during Ayane's first dojo playtime event

 

[JelF547]

I mean that Sana has been touched by something supernatural and since that night her behaviour has changed. That was the point she started to become constantly horny and just masterbate everywhere.

If you assume, that Sana was almost caught masturbating by Sensei in

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, and she didn't manage to clean her hands before she invited Sensei, that scene becomes much more obvious. I think Sana always had said behaviour, it just was the first time she got caught. Himawary also told about Sana's real intentions right before alleged divine intervenrion

 

[Moonflare]

I think you guys are letting the Sel hate cloud things a bit too much. After the Io thing, pretty much every character declares Nodoka terrible. Uta, who was harassed by pedophiles as a child, calls it the most disgusting thing she's ever seen. Imani, who was okay with alligators and Death Ball in her contests, immediately kicked her out. Ayane, probably the most lawful good member of the cast, mused that maybe Yumi was justified in beating her half to death. Even Otoha was disappointed. That's not a poor misunderstood genius, that's as in the wrong as a character can be.

I wouldn't see that scene as isolated from her fight with Futaba, but rather a further illustration of how fucked up her "everything would be fine if you looked at it from my perspective" mindset is. And given how explicitly she promised not to reveal Futaba's relationship earlier, and how she calls back to the lust novel thing when breaking her promise not to have sex with Akira, I'd say that Sel intended for Nodoka to be a massive self-serving hypocrite from the beginning.

I mostly agree, and would just like to add that although we can't really exclude the possibility that Nodoka is a self-insert, I'd remind everyone that all characters are Selebus in some way. He's writing all of them after all, and it might be naive to simply consider that he embodies Nodoka's characteristics and not the ones from the other 35+ characters. I myself don't find Nodoka to be more of a self-insert than others, at least not in this sort of "power-trip insert of creating a character that is me inside of my work" because Nodoka is pointed out as heavily flawed inside the narrative.

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All in all, I just think that, at this point in time, Nodoka's a weak character, and she's mostly used as a plot device to make things happen. Reading Nodoka's events is sometimes like "what has she done now?" - and all of it is outrageous. And if every event is outrageous the character starts to become more of a device than a real thing.

Simply put, I find her character uninteresting as an individual. I just feel like Nodoka's character arc hasn't even started, there is no conflict, no growth, just a zealot hellbent on her crusade, whilst ignoring any possibility of a meaningful reevaluation of her actions. No consequences affect her, no developments really change her outlook, there's just no change in course (she just advances in perversion). Which, by the way, would be totally fine if we didn't discuss Nodoka every 5 hours, which I think is the biggest issue - and I would just not mind most of what I said if not for the overthinking.

 

[Nadekai]

Himawary also told about Sana's real intentions right before alleged divine intervenrion

Is Himawari our ally? Since she tried to protect us in 5th reset, or at least that's how I interpreted it...
Also, is it just coincidence that she looks like "Broken" Ami, but... more normal?

 

[Xiondingens]

If you assume, that Sana was almost caught masturbating by Sensei in

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, and she didn't manage to clean her hands before she invited Sensei, that scene becomes much more obvious. I think Sana always had said behaviour, it just was the first time she got caught. Himawary also told about Sana's real intentions right before alleged divine intervenrion

I think you are right and she was, but that is still something different. That was her own dorm room. Where if not there is it okay to masterbate in peace? And just masterbating is normal. Her later behavour is not tho.