Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

i wonder why there has never, as far as i remember, been a real discussion about Hope's silhuette.
Hope is the only god/entity we ever met in person and have an image of not only it's smile.

How much could even fit that silhuette?
Pretty sure it's not purple tentacle trying to take over the world, with those protrusions on the sides.
I guess those are ears, making the silhuette a face. I think the ears being vertically between the eye's and mouth fits too.
The whole thing just seems a bit broad. And maybe hope is wearing some kind of headwear?

I had always assumed it was a masturbation thing...

Spoiler: HOPE form

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Nozomu was the lust god, as is HOPE, he fills the well, he fills Akira with "light" so he can inject that light into women (light is cum), cum is white, he's filled with cum - that's my theory.

Or maybe someone has a better idea?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I had always assumed it was a masturbation thing...

Spoiler: HOPE form

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Nozomu was the lust god, as is HOPE, he fills the well, he fill Akira with "light" so he can inject that light into women (light is cum), cum is white, he's filled with cum - that's my theory.

Or maybe someone has a better idea?

"non est deus" - "you are not gods"

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

You're all traitors, she stole Imani's style! She isn't allowed to 'look good'.

Did she stop cutting herself and started burning herself?

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Did she stop cutting herself and started burning herself?

Dude, you literally roasted her.

 

[aramaug]

In theory: the pupil and Sana going in and out of possession could hint at Pareidolia not being as effective at possession as others.

Notably, after that Event:

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Pareidolia shows up, introduces itself, and "helps" Sana in:

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While she's seeing things and USER1 is seemingly Account Sharing:

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Which may imply that something can hack into the stuff of other USERs/gods. Pareidolia seems like the prime suspect considering at least one Narrator fears it, and it's notably able to do what others can.

I agree that it's Pareidolia. I think the "license" stuff is someone who is not USER1 trying to log in to his account so they can appropriate his imagery, but the system is detecting that they are logging in from the same "IP address" used for another account (USER3 if we're right). Pareidolia starts talking as himself right after the license is "revoked" and he can't pretend to be USER1 anymore.

I haven't reviewed the relevant events, but my current assumption is that HOPE has little or no involvement in what's happening to Sana, it's all Pareidolia and he's pretending to be HOPE because of the (I assume genuine) connection between HOPE and Sara.

Something similar with account hijacking happened earlier in Chapter 1:

Spoiler: Window of the Waking Mind

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A "system message" talks about suspicious login attempts, and then "HOPE" overwrites it and starts talking. I think it's Pareidolia attempting to login to USER1's account and eventually succeeding. There's a lot of stuff here that I think is connected to Pareidolia: Sensei hearing a girl say something sex-related that she didn't say, Sensei's sentence being struck out and him saying something else instead, the right-side up HOPE smiley, and just the overall surreal imagery overlaid on a real scene.

Anyway, the what is "A" for thing:

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And blindfold could imply that the white Rabbit, is related to The World Itself, who seems like natural opposition to HOPE and Yasu.

Sekai and Nozomu "together in death as they were in life" could imply these two entities are connected. Nozomu translating to Hope and Sekai to World. Both entities also seem Summer loving, and Angel using. HOPE seems to use white Angels and black Rabbits, so perhaps The World Itself uses black Angels and white Rabbits:

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We're thinking along the same lines, but I wonder if the white rabbits and black angels both belong to Pareidolia, with him using them for Sekai's benefit. At the very least, Pareidolia and Sekai seem to be working very closely together:

• The Sekai that appears in Sensei's mind (where Pareidolia also is) wants Sensei to do the same kind of things that Pareidolia wants
• Kaori's Sekai organs are apparently connected to Pareidolia and he might be the one trying to wake SeKaori up
• I think Pareidolia (with Himawari's help) was behind the Sekai restoration, probably as part of his plan to bring back Spring
• Pareidolia and The World have been referenced together sometimes. Off the top of my head, John (assuming I'm right) warns against both in "Såsom i en Spegel", and Yasu talks about how The World is excited before the message concerning the death of Makoto's father, which includes the instruction "Remember to Smile"

There's an idea that I've been playing with, but I'm not sure yet if it stands up to any scrutiny. Is it possible that none of the Sekais we've seen (outside of memories/happy events) are real, and it's all just Pareidolia putting on a human mask?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Is it possible that none of the Sekais we've seen (outside of memories/happy events) are real, and it's all just Pareidolia putting on a human mask?

I believe none of them are real and I said this previously, but someone argued against it by saying that all Sekais are dressed differently, hinting at different versions of Sekai existing.

Be wary of the fact that gods don't know everything about the other gods

 

[Moonflare]

There's an idea that I've been playing with, but I'm not sure yet if it stands up to any scrutiny. Is it possible that none of the Sekais we've seen (outside of memories/happy events) are real, and it's all just Pareidolia putting on a human mask?

I don't think so, here's why: Pareidolia wants an infinite spring, yet there is an alternate power getting things ready for Fall. So something amid all of these Sekais has to be against Pareidolia. Allies in the sense of taking power back from Everything (HOPE) and Nothing (Wires), but ultimately adversaries in that for Fall to come, Spring has to end.

The rest is a ramble about how colors could help with that, feel free to skip if not interested in scraps of theories.

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Basically, I think determining if green relates to Wires or not could turn out to be a huge deal, because it seemed to be related to Sekai's restoration. And I think green might be related to him, just as I think Wires might be Maya's god (and she's either lying about not knowing about him, or Maya Prime simply didn't remember this piece of information).

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I don't think so, here's why: Pareidolia wants an infinite spring, yet there is an alternate power getting things ready for Fall. So something amid all of these Sekais has to be against Pareidolia. Allies in the sense of taking power back from Everything (HOPE) and Nothing (Wires), but ultimately adversaries in that for Fall to come, Spring has to end.

The rest is a ramble about how colors could help with that, feel free to skip if not interested in scraps of theories.

Spoiler: Color stuff

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Basically, I think determining if green relates to Wires or not could turn out to be a huge deal, because it seemed to be related to Sekai's restoration. And I think green might be related to him, just as I think Wires might be Maya's god (and she's either lying about not knowing about him, or Maya Prime simply didn't remember this piece of information).

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I think that you definitely had a "Ben 10's uncle is Akainu" moment right here but I like these color theories, you might be onto something
Here's another headcannon to go with your theory: What if WIRES got tired of Maya and decided to replace her with a girl whose name means COLOR, SOUND and DESIGN : )

 

[Pedro4545454]

A question that has nothing to do with the gods, will Akira mentally block the school terrace like he blocked the street where Sekai died?

 

[Crazy4Oreos]

Hallo I miss the game, it has been almost 2 yrs since I last read. How much new content is there? I wanna reinstall again but does the walkthrough/checklist mod still work? Also has there been any plushies made yet?

 

[snackman265]

The wiki is fanmade though.

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Including or not something in there is just the arbitrary decision of its moderators, and should have about the same authority as to myself, DeSkel or you editing one of its pages. Not a Selebus decision.

Thats true, but there is one other factor...

Selebus doesn't acknowledge the existence of Himawari. That's probably a factor as to why she doesn't appear on the wiki.

As to why Selebus doesn't acknowledge Himawari? Don't know.

My best guess is 'Selebus' himself is one of the narrators and Himawari may be an error or bug in the system that his character is blind to?

(this is why I leave the theorising to other people...!)

 

[DyonisXX]

Sorry but I just have to post it somewhere that gyaru Miku is the hottest thing ever omg

 

[Moonflare]

Thats true, but there is one other factor...

Selebus doesn't acknowledge the existence of Himawari. That's probably a factor as to why she doesn't appear on the wiki.

As to why Selebus doesn't acknowledge Himawari? Don't know.

My best guess is 'Selebus' himself is one of the narrators and Himawari may be an error or bug in the system that his character is blind to?

(this is why I leave the theorising to other people...!)

What do you mean by he doesn't aknowledge her existence? Do you mean out of the game? Cause she has a card in koikatsu that says "Himawari A" - also, important to notice that the naming convention here is family name first, then given name:

Spoiler: Himawari card

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Which means that if Selebus made these and this was on purpose, then it's another evidence to my long theory about Himawari's name being Ami.

All her outfits for curiosity sake (we've seen her in her swimsuit in Scientific Research, but the others seem to just be from other girls). However, her underwear doesn't seem to match the outfits.

Spoiler: All outfits

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[DyonisXX]

What do you mean by he doesn't aknowledge her existence? Do you mean out of the game? Cause she has a card in koikatsu that says "Himawari A" - also, important to notice that the naming convention here is family name first, then given name:

Spoiler: Himawari card

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Which means that if Selebus made these and this was on purpose, then it's another evidence to my long theory about Himawari's name being Ami.

All her outfits for curiosity sake (we've seen her in her swimsuit in Scientific Research, but the other seem to just be from other girls). However, her underwear doesn't seem to match the outfits.

Spoiler: All outfits

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Your banner makes me wonder if someone should make ones with the updated looks of characters

 

[Moonflare]

I miss the game, it has been almost 2 yrs since I last read. How much new content is there? I wanna reinstall again but does the walkthrough/checklist mod still work?

A lot. We've also just recently reached a new high in terms of development for a certain character, so it's a good time to get back.

And the guide is still being updated and working just fine.

Your banner makes me wonder if someone should make ones with the updated looks of characters

yes, please.

 

[snackman265]

What do you mean by he doesn't aknowledge her existence? Do you mean out of the game? Cause she has a card in koikatsu that says "Himawari A" - also, important to notice that the naming convention here is family name first, then given name:

Selebus doesn't acknowledge her existence in a couple of ways.

Firstly- Selebus doesn't mention, or respond to things about her, ever.

- Searching the discord for things said by Selebus, he has only said the word 'Himawari' twice- (both in relation to an OST track in Subahibi called Yoru no Himawari, as far as I can see, nothing to do with Lessons in Love.)​

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- In comparison, Selebus has mentioned Ami 567 times, Ayane 468 times and Maya 626 times.​

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- I checked his mentions of 'Daisy' (another fan name of Himawari) and there is only one result, which again was in a chat that has nothing to do with Lessons in Love.​

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Secondly- Selebus doesn't take requests for pictures of Himawari. 3748 requests are currently on the lessons in love website. Zero of Himawari.

Was Himawari's Koikatsu card made by Selebus? Or was it made by someone else based off what we see in the game? As far as I recall he stopped distributing cards well before we saw Himawari for the first time.

 

[Moonflare]

Selebus doesn't acknowledge her existence in a couple of ways.
Firstly- Selebus doesn't mention, or respond to things about her, ever.
Secondly- Selebus doesn't take requests for pictures of Himawari. 3748 requests are currently on the lessons in love website. Zero of Himawari.

Was Himawari's Koikatsu card made by Selebus? Or was it made by someone else based off what we see in the game? As far as I recall he stopped distributing cards well before we saw Himawari for the first time.

I have no idea. But Selebus being weird is not really a surprise. I will say though that I wouldn't go so far as to assume he's roleplaying a narrator in real life that can't talk about Himawari cause she's a bug.

Spoiler: Himawari stuff

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[Kitty Hawk]

What do you mean by he doesn't aknowledge her existence? Do you mean out of the game? Cause she has a card in koikatsu that says "Himawari A" - also, important to notice that the naming convention here is family name first, then given name:

Spoiler: Himawari card

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Which means that if Selebus made these and this was on purpose, then it's another evidence to my long theory about Himawari's name being Ami.

All her outfits for curiosity sake (we've seen her in her swimsuit in Scientific Research, but the others seem to just be from other girls). However, her underwear doesn't seem to match the outfits.

Spoiler: All outfits

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The cards are fan-made, so the choice of clothing or name has no secret meaning. We saw them being made in real time and a couple of people regularly posted the updates here. "A" is probably for "Arakawa", all things considered.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

oooooh, I smell a new game in our hands! What is something that annoys you in not having been resolved yet? It doesn't have to be the most annoying thing in terms of the whole story, it could be something small, but what just annoys you personally?

Okay, so maybe this doesn’t count towards the stipulations as you described them since it’s technically already passed… but…

Remember the poetry contest that Wakana held where Akira was supposed to submit something? And then he just, like… never did?

That kinda annoys me still, because it was such an interesting idea, and then it was swiftly forgotten about… Hell, Akira even started writing some more at his apartment that Touka gave him, so I figured maybe the poet side of him would start to show a bit more.

But nah. No poem submission. What a shame.

At least we got some cool Ami progression story-wise out of it with her being the winner and showing how she’s taking after Sekai in her own poems.

 

[aramaug]

I don't think so, here's why: Pareidolia wants an infinite spring, yet there is an alternate power getting things ready for Fall. So something amid all of these Sekais has to be against Pareidolia. Allies in the sense of taking power back from Everything (HOPE) and Nothing (Wires), but ultimately adversaries in that for Fall to come, Spring has to end.

The rest is a ramble about how colors could help with that, feel free to skip if not interested in scraps of theories.

Spoiler: Color stuff

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Basically, I think determining if green relates to Wires or not could turn out to be a huge deal, because it seemed to be related to Sekai's restoration. And I think green might be related to him, just as I think Wires might be Maya's god (and she's either lying about not knowing about him, or Maya Prime simply didn't remember this piece of information).

Besides the narrator who rejected the infinite spring, is there evidence that someone else is trying to bring about fall?

I'd caution against reading too much into color choices in the Yasu quote. It would be nice if they meant something, but red is everywhere in the game's color symbolism while blue and pink are barely used and yellow not at all (I think). It could just be as simple as spring has blue and pink flowers and fall has red and yellow leaves. She seems to be trying to make a metaphor for why the return of spring is good, and that idea might not be coming from HOPE or at least was corrupted; this event is after SekaiDolia (I've decided it's a thing now) talked through her, and they would have much more reason to look forward to spring than HOPE would.

The colors (and colored moons) are still a mystery to me. It's something I'm trying to catalog on my second playthrough, hopefully that leads somewhere. I will say that red and green appear together so often that I think their combination has special meaning (and clearly that meaning is Ami + Maya = USER4, all the best people are saying it.).

And unrelated to this post, but since I don't think I've mentioned it before, I'll say that I'm all onboard with the idea that Himawari's real name is Ami. I named Ayane's baby Ami on my first playthrough because I assumed it was the "correct" answer.