DeSkel15

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There are some uncertainity I'd like to ask:

1. Do you think Sekai started to molest Akira before or after he met with Niki and gradually built up relationship with him?

2. Both Yui and Saki were inferred to die of diabetes in Second Sun, which is reasonable considering their diet habit in Nothing Is Beautiful, if not treated merely as a joke.

3. I somehow believe that Kaori had a car accident too to parallel with Sekai. But where did it mention "Kaori was saved by Sekai's functional organs"?

4. "Molly's mother has likely killed herself by now" I recall that Molly has said that her mother was already died but where did she stated explicately that she committed suicide?

5. Chika had found a job before she met with Yumi?

6. Tsuneyo was adopted? I remember her mentioning that her mother was Egyptian but I failed to recall if her father adopted her.

7. "Maya and Sensei seemingly have secret meetings on the roof." Can you elaborate on it?
  1. Probably before. But it's hard to say without knowing exactly when things started.
  2. Definitely possible, but there's also implications that the supernatural was involved. "Diabetes is the simple answer", but there was likely other factors at play.
  3. It's a theory. Sekai's organs were revealed to be functional in Karin's Chapter 4 'Paranoid' Event. Meanwhile, Kaori has scars, and she has spare parts in her according to her Hex in Chapter 3's 'First Contact' Main Event: (under trivia). They also both seemed to be in car accidents, and it seems like Sekai is possessing current Kaori, who seems to really like Ami and Sensei, and have red eyes like Sekai at times.
  4. Molly revealed this in her Chapter 1 'The Dark Entity' Event:
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  5. Probably. Chika is supposed to be a year ahead of Yumi, and I assume she got held back due to being required to work and take care of herself and her sister, somehow. She may have met Yumi prior, though.
  6. It's not clear. Tsuneyo claims that people were surprised to find out she was his daughter in Chapter 2's 'The Price of Experience' Main Event:
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    She also seems extremely grateful to him, albeit that may just be how she was raised.
  7. The 'Baby Finches' Happy Event seems to suggest they met on the roof of the school sometimes, and it may explain how and why Maya ended up going there during a reset, and why the roof is notable.
 
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Here's a little timeline for those interested (doesn't cover everything, but should help one get the gist):

Before Sensei (Before 1989):
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The 1990s (After Sensei's birth):
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2000s:
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2010s (shit goes to shit):
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2020 (The Present, technically):
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May have missed some things. This game is huge.
"Sekai broke her promise by dying"
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Omfg! I just had the craziest revelation just now! Remember that post that confirmed Tsubasa was more important than we give her credit for? Well I'm pretty sure she's literally the narrator at the end of the first Beach Vacation. Just look:

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The fact she repeats the same questions? The tree reference just a few sentences later (which may or may not be about the sakura at her manor)? At the very least, this is worth looking into. Assuming no one has already pointed this out.
well, fuck. First of all, congratulations on figuring that out. But the repercussions of Tsubasa being the narrator for "see you in the morning" would be astounding (cause that's an entire event that I went through thinking about Tsubasa narrating and it was odd, to say the least, cause there's a lot of stuff there - like the narrator addressing Rin and having her hear the clocks for instance). Well, the name of the Tsubasa event is "playing god" - which could be a nod to her "playing it" instead of being it, and Akira makes a comparison between her and Nodoka (another character that is suspected of hearing the world itself).

I think it's more likely that the narrator for "see you in the morning" is also related to the world itself. Maybe both Nodoka and Tsubasa can hear it, and as Akira puts it, each of them have a different approach to it. One wants to break everything, the other wants to guide them in a better path. Both are tugging the strings though, through information/insight of what they're capable of hearing.

Now, who could be narrating it that would be heard by Tsubasa/related to the tree I have no idea either.
Great catch. Given the identical wording, I think we have to assume that either Tsubasa is the narrator or is very closely connected to whoever is.

I actually think Tsubasa fits really well with what we know about the (first) beach narrator. As I posted previously, the stuff the narrator says about the tree indicates that they want to become a god or at least godlike.
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Earlier in the event, the narrator indicates that they are unhappy with the "God god" who made the world. They want their own world where they can do what they want, which includes helping their loved ones.
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The narrator also seems to have empathy for the girls, which I think rules out Sekai/Pareidolia/The World Itself.

All of that seems very consistent with what we know about Tsubasa's motivations, wanting to have the power to manipulate people for benevolent reasons. In "Playing God" she even states that she wants to fill the role of a god who isn't doing their job.
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Prior to the beach vacation, the "Cursded Birds" event opens with a monologue that I originally thought was just Sensei, but it actually makes a lot of sense that it's introducing Tsubasa as a new narrator. This is how the event opens:
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The opening line is exactly the same as the game's first event ("Every Day I Grow Some More"). However, this time there is a different "first thing" that the narrator doesn't understand, so it's almost certainly a different narrator. I think the repeat of Narrator #1's opening line is meant to indicate a Narrator #2 is now introducing themselves. Also note that the narrator is describing the difference between childhood and adulthood, which implies they have a fair bit of experience with being an adult.

After that, the narrator starts talking about manipulation, which they seem to view as something that helps people
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And the monologue closes with an indictment of "God god", which I think is the only time outside of the beach vacation that a narrator uses that term in Chapter 1.
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So in summary: possibly a new narrator, is/was an adult, views manipulation as a tool for good, and uses the same language as the beach narrator. Tsubasa seems like a perfect fit.


As for how Tsubasa is able to act as a narrator, I suspect it has something to do with the wishing well (or if Tsubasa isn't the narrator, that's how they're connected).
The beach narrator wants Sensei to throw himself into the wishing well.
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The last things that the Xoanon shows us in "Mother's Milk" is the Tsukioka manor sakura tree.
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The Xoanon calls Sensei a puppet and says that others want to use him for purposes that the Xoanon agrees with. This could just be the gods, but Tsubasa has explicitly referred to Sensei as her puppet.
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The beach narrator tells Sensei he can see more with his eyes closed, and the Xoanon says his eyes are closed to avoid being blinded.
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Makoto says the same thing about seeing with your eyes closed in "Bluejay", and there's a good chance that she enters the wishing well since she gets Sensei's eyes. She says it before the suicide, however. Maybe she already has a wishing well connection from doing the same thing in previous resets, I'm not sure.

Edit: Oh and I forgot to mention, the beach narrator talks a lot about ticking clocks (and Rin starts hearing them). The room with clocks might be in the wishing well.
 
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Fuck, am I a Nodoka fan now? Also I love how Io chooses a karaoke song that only requires her to shout "tequila" a few times.
Yeah I don't know how to feel about my least favorite character having the best musical taste. I guess the Smiths shirt should have been a giveaway.

Also - <shaking my head> Futaba, why?
 
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Sadly, that does seem to be how Sensei sees it:
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I get how that's funny, but it's not a rational reaction, it's an emotional one. It's just that Akira hasn't ever dealt with his baggage. What he's really saying here is: "You molested me, groomed me, had me so far into your claws for years that you became my world, how dare you evade your responsability by dying before me? If you were going to leave me without you, why make yourself my world in the first place?" - It's a whirlwind of complicated emotions that comes out stupid with a "how dare you die", but carries a hidden truth underneath. He's yelling at the moon.

Also, important to note that if asked Akira would most likely have preferred to die instead of her. I get why he blames her for dying. And it's good that he does. He's saying these things out loud and they need to be said because if he's ever gonna be able to deal with them in a logical sense, he needs to get his emotional reaction out first.
I suspect it actually was a suicide by Sekai. Kinda fits Sensei's reaction, especially if she left a suicide note
We do have a goodbye letter that shows up during chapter 4 (on crumpled paper with a circle that shows the sky in the middle) but I think that was from Maya. Also, I very much doubt Sekai would leave Ami. I doubt her love for Akira, but I do not regarding Ami.
 
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We do have a goodbye letter that shows up during chapter 4 (on crumpled paper with a circle that shows the sky in the middle) but I think that was from Maya. Also, I very much doubt Sekai would leave Ami. I doubt her love for Akira, but I do not regarding Ami.
Well, we will know it eventually, RN it is just pure guessing. However, despite the image Selebus draws, Sekai only a human too and her actual situation - raising a child with a callous substitution of a man she loved - sounds depressing AF
 
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I suspect it actually was a suicide by Sekai. Kinda fits Sensei's reaction, especially if she left a suicide note
I doubt it, since Ami was likely in the wreck as she watched her parents die, and the Sekai who has shown up doesn't seem suicidal:
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As Moonflare notes, Sensei is likely just being irrational, and Sekai surely loved Ami. She didn't seem to have a reason to kill herself, and her life was seemingly going rather well, tbh.

Also, I somewhat think Sensei caused the Accident, but more info is needed.
I get how that's funny, but it's not a rational reaction, it's an emotional one. It's just that Akira hasn't ever dealt with his baggage. What he's really saying here is: "You molested me, groomed me, had me so far into your claws for years that you became my world, how dare you evade your responsability by dying before me? If you were going to leave me without you, why make yourself my world in the first place?" - It's a whirlwind of complicated emotions that comes out stupid with a "how dare you die", but carries a hidden truth underneath. He's yelling at the moon.

Also, important to note that if asked Akira would most likely have preferred to die instead of her. I get why he blames her for dying. And it's good that he does. He's saying these things out loud and they need to be said because if he's ever gonna be able to deal with them in a logical sense, he needs to get his emotional reaction out first.

We do have a goodbye letter that shows up during chapter 4 (on crumpled paper with a circle that shows the sky in the middle) but I think that was from Maya. Also, I very much doubt Sekai would leave Ami. I doubt her love for Akira, but I do not regarding Ami.
Sensei definitely wasn't acting rationally. Hence stuff like this:
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It's something I'd consider humorous in a sad way. Then again, I'm a horrible person, lmao.

Also, "yelling at the moon" fits perfectly. Chef's kiss.

As for the note in Chapter 4's 'Miserably Ever After' Main Event:
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It definitely seems to be about New Maya from Maya Prime.
 
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I get how that's funny, but it's not a rational reaction, it's an emotional one. It's just that Akira hasn't ever dealt with his baggage. What he's really saying here is: "You molested me, groomed me, had me so far into your claws for years that you became my world, how dare you evade your responsability by dying before me? If you were going to leave me without you, why make yourself my world in the first place?" - It's a whirlwind of complicated emotions that comes out stupid with a "how dare you die", but carries a hidden truth underneath. He's yelling at the moon.

Also, important to note that if asked Akira would most likely have preferred to die instead of her. I get why he blames her for dying. And it's good that he does. He's saying these things out loud and they need to be said because if he's ever gonna be able to deal with them in a logical sense, he needs to get his emotional reaction out first.


We do have a goodbye letter that shows up during chapter 4 (on crumpled paper with a circle that shows the sky in the middle) but I think that was from Maya. Also, I very much doubt Sekai would leave Ami. I doubt her love for Akira, but I do not regarding Ami.
I think we can be close to 100% the letter is from Maya. The text is
If you are reading this please do not come looking for me. Chances are it was time for me to leave already. And I don't want to make you hurt even more than I'm sure you're already hurting. Take care of yourself okay? I know you've always struggled with that or something similar. But let's face it that alone wouldn't do your misery justice. I don't remember how I used to be. Or what I used to be like. Or much about the past since it's so far away now. But I hope you'll be kind to me. Or whatever is left.
So it's Maya Prime talking about Sensei and New Maya.

I think it would be out of character for Sekai to kill herself (as an amoral narcissist), but if she did I wouldn't put it past her to decide to take the people she loved with her, thinking it would be a favor.

EDIT: I guess I was just accidentally repeating DeSkel15, so let me add something more on to this post.

I hadn't thought about it before, but the "if you are reading this" means that Maya wasn't anticipating her death, she left it is as an insurance in case she did die. So she must have left it somewhere that Sensei would only look after her death (or maybe somewhere she knew she could remove it before anyone else looked). I bet Sensei is going to find it when he finally remembers the fucking boxes, and maybe that will change his attitude toward New Maya.
 
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Can anyone tell me if the choices from Chika's event "Our Time Atop This Mattress" is resolved yet?
I stopped playing at that Event so I can watch all choices without having to replay a huge chunk of the game, but none of Chika's events in the wiki mention the choice's results.
 
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