Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Detective Dc345]

Ami is the best girl. If you disagree then I implore you to have your brain evaluated for damage of the extreme variety! (you are wrong)

We all play Lessons In Love we all need to get our brains evaluated for some sort of damage.

 

[Moonflare]

This but unironically.

She is best girl, though not the Ami you're thinking of. A real kick in the shin she is.

 

[derekthered56]

Ami is the best girl. If you disagree then I implore you to have your brain evaluated for damage of the extreme variety! (you are wrong)

Ami is so cute.

 

[Breadtaker]

I'm never forgiving Otoha and her only redeemable feature for me is her ass. That's what we call everlasting bias, I'm dying on this hill.

I particularly dislike that Selebus has her sexually assault Niki right as she's getting into her relationship with Akira again (and although it isn't straight up "cheating" since Niki was clearly assaulted, it was not pleasant to watch the first time, nor her entire arc refusing to listen to Niki saying no - even Akira is more respectful to Yumi after he assaults her), then years later she steals the violin scene with Maya from Akira as well, and is disgustingly flirty about it.

First Niki, then Maya. Next we'll find out that her deal with Sekai poetry is that she was her first crush or something. It's like Selebus keeps pushing her onto Akira's real girlfriends/actual partners.

My problem with Otoha was never mainly related to Rin, that was just the final verdict.

Stealing the violin scene is obviously an unfair thing to hate her for.

The Niki kiss was wrong but in the scope of this game, isn't even a highlight. She got caught up in the moment, misread things, and gave into her emotions. She admitted as much and apologized then wanted an honest conversation about it which Niki was right to deny. Molly had a similar incident but no one ever talks negatively about her and she definitely didn't handle the fallout better. And what do you mean Akira is more respectful about his assualt on Yumi? He brings up the fact they kissed all the time.

Otoha is not a great person but I agree with MaoKamui that she's definitely not an outlier. Otoha's crimes are laughable compared to Kirin, Nodoka, Akira, and Yumi.

 

[Moonflare]

Stealing the violin scene is obviously an unfair thing to hate her for.

The Niki kiss was wrong but in the scope of this game, isn't even a highlight. She got caught up in the moment, misread things, and gave into her emotions. She admitted as much and apologized then wanted an honest conversation about it which Niki was right to deny. Molly had a similar incident but no one ever talks negatively about her and she definitely didn't handle the fallout better. And what do you mean Akira is more respectful about his assualt on Yumi? He brings up the fact they kissed all the time.

Otoha is not a great person but I agree with MaoKamui that she's definitely not an outlier. Otoha's crimes are laughable compared to Kirin, Nodoka, Akira, and Yumi.

I mean, to call a bias "unfair" is redundant. That's exactly what a bias is. I call it a bias in the first line so that there's no doubt that this is particular to me, and not a balanced view on the character (as I often present here).

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[Breadtaker]

I mean, to call a bias "unfair" is redundant. That's exactly what a bias is. I call it a bias in the first line so that there's no doubt that this is particular to me, and not a balanced view on the character (as I often present here).

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You're fine. You can hate anyone you want for whatever reason. I'll still use it as an excuse for discussion. Even if I disagree with the reasons, your opinion is still valid. But I never said it was "obviously wrong". I said it was unfair. Which I stand by and think you would agree with.

I am, however going to say you are dead wrong about Akira being more respectful. Half of Yumi's dialogue is basically telling him to go away. Even if you think she's secretly a tsundere that needs help, Akira's disregard for her wishes is very not okay.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Ami is the best girl

 

[Apollo259]

I managed to read the house image that pops up at the end of "Transpacific Sadness Symposium II: SISTER SOFTSKIN". And let me tell you, it was not worth the 3 hours that it took.
(Please tell me everyone else found it impossible to read and it was not just me being dumb.)

Spoiler: am I okay: "got it! lets go home!"

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[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

I managed to read the house image that pops up at the end of "Transpacific Sadness Symposium II: SISTER SOFTSKIN". And let me tell you, it was not worth the 3 hours that it took.
(Please tell me everyone else found it impossible to read and it was not just me being dumb.)

Spoiler: am I okay: "got it! lets go home!"

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The last line is literally you after spending these 3 hours.

 

[Apollo259]

The last line is literally you after spending these 3 hours.

Yea, Kyoko was the first word I saw so I thought it might be something good this time. It wasn't until the 3rd or 2nd last word that I got disappointment and immediately knew Selebus had trolled me again.

 

[Moonflare]

You're fine. You can hate anyone you want for whatever reason. I'll still use it as an excuse for discussion. Even if I disagree with the reasons, your opinion is still valid. But I never said it was "obviously wrong". I said it was unfair. Which I stand by and think you would agree with.

I am, however going to say you are dead wrong about Akira being more respectful. Half of Yumi's dialogue is basically telling him to go away. Even if you think she's secretly a tsundere that needs help, Akira's disregard for her wishes is very not okay.

Spoiler: more otoha stuff please enough already

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Anyway, respectfully, I'm done talking about Otoha. The whole point of declaring it a bias was to not have to justify it, but I thought it would be impolite of me not to address your replies (since it was started with your post). If this topic moves forward it will be with other people.

 

[Breadtaker]

Spoiler: more otoha stuff please enough already

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Anyway, respectfully, I'm done talking about Otoha. The whole point of declaring it a bias was to not have to justify it, but I thought it would be impolite of me not to address your replies (since it was started with your post). If this topic moves forward it will be with other people.

It's more than semantics. It's respecting what I said and not turning it into something else.

I think it's unfair to hate someone for something outside of their control. That's all I meant by that.

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You replied to me with your opposing perspective. I replied back with mine. Genuinely, was I wrong in how I responded?

 

[DeSkel15]

So, something that has seemed set up for a while, was recently brought to mind: Chika vs Noriko.

It seems to be something that has been foreshadowed since before the 3rd Reset:

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With Noriko befriending Yumi, Chika blessing their marriage:

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And Chika's friendship with Yumi being shaky at the moment... Any thoughts on how this love triangle drama with Sensei's heart, and Yumi's friendship, in the middle of it all, might go?

 

[Moonflare]

Genuinely, was I wrong in how I responded?

Look, I'm no paragon for people to follow nor am I in a position to lecture people on how to have a conversation.

Spoiler: last one

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All of these are, in my view, not conductive to a healthy conversation - as they come off either as an attack or being dismissive. I speak only for myself however, and, ultimately, I could have simply stopped replying. Which I should have done.

 

[Moonflare]

So, something that has seemed set up for a while, was recently brought to mind: Chika vs Noriko.

It seems to be something that has been foreshadowed since before the 3rd Reset:

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With Noriko befriending Yumi, Chika blessing their marriage:

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And Chika's friendship with Yumi being shaky at the moment... Any thoughts on how this love triangle drama with Sensei's heart, and Yumi's friendship, in the middle of it all, might go?

I think it's a fair question to start with if Yumi and Chika's relationship will be truly shaken or it will be a nothingburger, and for how long. I mean, Yumi really didn't do anything. And Chika should know her better than anyone (although it has been pointed out - I forgot who said it, sorry - that Yumi might have difficulty explaining the trip if Chika won't be able to hear about RAS).

I can see Chika breaking yet another barrier in stupidity by believing Yumi is in a relationship with Akira, her being mad because Yumi reveals all that she knows and never told her (I'd like this one), or that she somehow reinterprets Yumi and Akira's past in her own bizarre light.

If neither of these come true, then her relationship with Noriko (although great for Yumi) wouldn't mean much besides the eventual reveal that Niki is Akira's "real girlfriend", and living with him. Anything from Yumi, let's be honest, even with Chika's delusions would be way below that.

Edit: Also, I'm out of reactions.

 

[Breadtaker]

Look, I'm no paragon for people to follow nor am I in a position to lecture people on how to have a conversation.

Spoiler: last one

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All of these are, in my view, not conductive to a healthy conversation - as they come off either as an attack or being dismissive. I speak only for myself however, and, ultimately, I could have simply stopped replying. Which I should have done.

That was never my intention and I apologize. I'll be more conscious in the future.

 

[barglenarglezous]

nothingburger

You know, LiL is the only context in which "nothingburger" doesn't annoy the hell out of me.

 

[Comiies]

Anyways my whiteness aside i wonder.We are slowly reaching version 0.50.This may be overly optimistic of me but i would love for the update itself to be special in some way

You know, LiL is the only context in which "nothingburger" doesn't annoy the hell out of me.

I am saddened and APPALED by the fact that the term "norhingburger burgerman" has never be used by Kaori.Sel make it happen!

 

[fdsasdf_p]

I think it's a fair question to start with if Yumi and Chika's relationship will be truly shaken or it will be a nothingburger, and for how long. I mean, Yumi really didn't do anything. And Chika should know her better than anyone (although it has been pointed out - I forgot who said it, sorry - that Yumi might have difficulty explaining the trip if Chika won't be able to hear about RAS).

I can see Chika breaking yet another barrier in stupidity by believing Yumi is in a relationship with Akira, her being mad because Yumi reveals all that she knows and never told her (I'd like this one), or that she somehow reinterprets Yumi and Akira's past in her own bizarre light.

If neither of these come true, then her relationship with Noriko (although great for Yumi) wouldn't mean much besides the eventual reveal that Niki is Akira's "real girlfriend", and living with him. Anything from Yumi, let's be honest, even with Chika's delusions would be way below that.

Edit: Also, I'm out of reactions.

I am guessing they won’t truly break apart because of Chinami and the fact that Yumi is literally not guilty in this context and thus, on her end, would not want this false accusation to be the finisher of her most important friendship.

But some distancing will happen regardless and I expect it to forever change their friendship for better or worse. This is because even if Chika miraculously believes in Yumi's words about not cheating, she already wouldn't respond well as soon as she realizes our token tsundere also likes the same guy and has to find that out in such unpleasant way (hinted in Imaginary Veins). Yumi doesn't even need to be found guilty of allegedly cheating for their friendship to go somewhere irreversible.

Besides, I think this provides a good segue (good as in storytelling and not friendship) to the theme of Yumi leaving the nest; she finally lands a job, finally makes a new friend, and likely lives all by herself now. It's an appropriate time to have Yumi depart from Chika to some extent despite the fact that it's not done on a positive note.

 

[Moonflare]

Besides, I think this provides a good segue (good as in storytelling and not friendship) to the theme of Yumi leaving the nest; she finally lands a job, finally makes a new friend, and likely lives all by herself now. It's an appropriate time to have Yumi depart from Chika to some extent despite the fact that it's not done on a positive note.

This is a very good point. And also there's an impression, although it might just be me, that Yumi (without even trying) is and always have been closer to Akira's heart than Chika. She certainly is where the universe is concerned, and I wonder if Chika will put two and two together on that front as well.

Because Chika's relationship with Akira has kind of always been about her doing everything she can to please him (it's just that she follows what she thinks will please her "image of a boyfriend", instead of actually looking at Akira), and I think that if she now stops to think about how this girl, that literally does nothing to cultivate that affection, has it (certainly right now after the coma) more than her... well, that by itself might spawn some jealousy.

It's like: "I love this person and I can be with him to a degree, but now I've found out that the only reason I can is because my sister (Yumi) is insistent on not acting their mutual feelings, otherwise I'd probably lose to her. I mean, I'm already losing and she's not even trying for my sake".

I feel like a scenario where she realises that Yumi has not been acting against her, but keeping herself back for her sake and still winning could be even more damning for her self-esteem.