Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.53.0] [Selebus]

[Bingoogus]

most of these can be considered spoiler.
but the most important thing is. name of the sensei is spoiler.
otherwise the event that it is revealed would be meaningless.
just yesterday people were arguing because of it.

(Sorry if this feels like i'm attacking you Walkerin, i'm not, your post is just a jumping off point.)

This line of reasoning might sound ok on paper but it presents a pretty major problem. We call him Akira because it's his name, it's normal to refer to people by their names, especially when talking to a group of people who all know that person by their name. When it comes to the broad concept of spoilers, where does the burden lie? To what length is someone expected to go for someone else? Why does the onus of responsibility fall on all others rather than the one person most in position to protect themselves? If i don't want to be spoiled by something before i've had my first swing at it, i take a proactive approach, i make sure i avoid areas i might be spoiled, i especially avoid places and group i know are going to be discussing the subject with the most up to date information, otherwise i am absolutely going to see something i wish i hadn't. Plenty of people have already said, yeah, someone deliberately going out of their way to spoil you is a dickmove, but outside of that... wtf do we expect of people? We want to talk about the game, amongst ourselves, once we're all up to date on the latest patch we speak freely here, the spoiler tag is more used to compress large posts and suppress images from making the thread jump around as they load.

If i wanted to play this game with no chance of spoilers i would not come to this thread until i was done, i would consider it just about the dumbest thing i could do, i couldn't even know the thread policy on spoilers without looking to find out if i'd be safe or not, risking getting spoiled in the process... i just can't fathom it, and to then go on an expect everyone in the thread to behave how I think they should? Jesus, what an absolute jackass i'd be to be so self involved to expect that of other people, to consider myself so important that everyone needs to put constant effort into ensuring my world remains untainted by spoilers until I'm ready to consume this or that game/book/movie/etc. The arrogance of it honestly makes my skin crawl, i could never behave that way, just imagining it is flaring my anxiety...

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Spoiler: I love this song

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Dude, I listen to this song way more often than I should. Its so good. Hits me right in the feels every goddam time.

 

[crustlord12]

Spoiler: Spoiler

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The three inline spoilers were genius. I didn't know they could stack like that and I thought my browser was broken.

 

[crustlord12]

Why does the onus of responsibility fall on all others rather than the one person most in position to protect themselves

Say it louder for the people in the back!

If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read the thread until you've caught up!

 

[Moonflare]

Adding to what bingoogus said:

Anything can be considered a spoiler. If you open up the game, watch the very first event and come here, literally anything we say will be a spoiler. Hell, even if I say that in the intro sequence you have to jump, guess what? spoiler. Then someone will say, well but the spoiler has to have some significance. Who judges that? It is highly subjective. We literally have had people here that saw us talking about Akira every single day and thought for sure Akira would be a girl they'd meet eventually - and were very surprised when they got to the event. So it's not the name that matters, but that I can't say "hey, Akira is Sensei, okay (?)". And this applies to all sort of stuff. Chika at some point doesn't have blonde hair anymore? That is not only a spoiler but it might matter a lot more to someone else than you. Again, it's all subjective.

I have personally played through the entire game before reading the thread because, obviously, there will be spoilers. And the only real way to prevent spoilers about this game was if everyone starting making their posts like this:

click below for the actual post cause we can't risk anyone with accidental spoilers

Spoiler

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Regardless, I have submitted a ticket and will thus wait for further clarification from the moderation, since, at this moment, I was instructed to use spoilers when necessary. Well, given that is up to me to judge when it is necessary, nothing changed. Will update if I receive further instructions. And regarding the possibility of this coming from a tantrum, well, if true that's just a disgrace - I have nothing else to say about it.

 

[alteros]

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Sometimes I just use the real name because it doesn't feel like it'd hit right to just refer to him as Sensei in that context. Like usually it's fine to just say Sensei but things like

Spoiler: event names

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are

Spoiler: name

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moments. I know that's a weird semantics thing but it'd feel silly using Sensei in those contexts.

 

[walkerin]

(Sorry if this feels like i'm attacking you Walkerin, i'm not, your post is just a jumping off point.)

This line of reasoning might sound ok on paper but it presents a pretty major problem. We call him Akira because it's his name, it's normal to refer to people by their names, especially when talking to a group of people who all know that person by their name. When it comes to the broad concept of spoilers, where does the burden lie? To what length is someone expected to go for someone else? Why does the onus of responsibility fall on all others rather than the one person most in position to protect themselves? If i don't want to be spoiled by something before i've had my first swing at it, i take a proactive approach, i make sure i avoid areas i might be spoiled, i especially avoid places and group i know are going to be discussing the subject with the most up to date information, otherwise i am absolutely going to see something i wish i hadn't. Plenty of people have already said, yeah, someone deliberately going out of their way to spoil you is a dickmove, but outside of that... wtf do we expect of people? We want to talk about the game, amongst ourselves, once we're all up to date on the latest patch we speak freely here, the spoiler tag is more used to compress large posts and suppress images from making the thread jump around as they load.

If i wanted to play this game with no chance of spoilers i would not come to this thread until i was done, i would consider it just about the dumbest thing i could do, i couldn't even know the thread policy on spoilers without looking to find out if i'd be safe or not, risking getting spoiled in the process... i just can't fathom it, and to then go on an expect everyone in the thread to behave how I think they should? Jesus, what an absolute jackass i'd be to be so self involved to expect that of other people, to consider myself so important that everyone needs to put constant effort into ensuring my world remains untainted by spoilers until I'm ready to consume this or that game/book/movie/etc. The arrogance of it honestly makes my skin crawl, i could never behave that way, just imagining it is flaring my anxiety...

ha? why would I think that u are attacking me?
and I didnt read rest of what u typed because 1-It is waste of time. 2- I can already feel something childish coming so..

he said he didnt understand why it is spoiler and I explained it. end of story
this thread is not for arguing people.

And I must say people in this thread is very careful and respectful about not giving even little spoilers.
pressing spoiler button wont kill you. better be safe than ruining some ones fun. again people can do whatever they want I dont care.

sorry for hurting your feelings u typed half page and all I didnt even read.. well

edit:nice of u to react with laugh.
I think it is funny too
imagine typing half page because someone said
"sense's name is spoiler." ahahaha find some hobby man

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Adding to what bingoogus said:

Anything can be considered a spoiler. If you open up the game, watch the very first event and come here, literally anything we say will be a spoiler. Hell, even if I say that in the intro sequence you have to jump, guess what? spoiler. Then someone will say, well but the spoiler has to have some significance. Who judges that? It is highly subjective. We literally have had people here that saw us talking about Akira every single day and thought for sure Akira would be a girl they'd meet eventually - and were very surprised when they got to the event. So it's not the name that matters, but that I can't say "hey, Akira is Sensei, okay (?)". And this applies to all sort of stuff. Chika at some point doesn't have blonde hair anymore? That is not only a spoiler but it might matter a lot more to someone else than you. Again, it's all subjective.

I have personally played through the entire game before reading the thread because, obviously, there will be spoilers. And the only real way to prevent spoilers about this game was if everyone starting making their posts like this:

click below for the actual post cause we can't risk anyone with accidental spoilers

Spoiler

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Regardless, I have submitted a ticket and will thus wait for further clarification from the moderation, since, at this moment, I was instructed to use spoilers when necessary. Well, given that is up to me to judge when it is necessary, nothing changed. Will update if I receive further instructions. And regarding the possibility of this coming from a tantrum, well, if true that's just a disgrace - I have nothing else to say about it.

Do you mean you submitted a ticket with the site moderators or something, regarding spoiler tagging things? Like, I'm a bad dude and didn't ACTUALLY read all site rules before posting (forgive me father, for I have sinned), so I'd be curious of what you mean. I try to be contentious of spoilers to the best of my ability, but I don't wanna break rules if I missed it or something, so I'd be curious about this.

 

[shmurfer]

Chika at some point doesn't have blonde hair anymore?

To expand on this.

Rin has blonde hair at some point. Is that a chapter 4 spoiler? Sure. How early can you find that out? As soon as you get 5 affection and do her first dorm event in 0.46 (current update) because Sel has made all the generic dorm events use the latest chapter 4 models since the whiteboard messages update every update and masking away the whiteboard is too much work. Want to get more than 2 rin affection per week? Get spoiled, nerd.

Do you mean you submitted a ticket with the site moderators or something, regarding spoiler tagging things? Like, I'm a bad dude and didn't ACTUALLY read all site rules before posting (forgive me father, for I have sinned), so I'd be curious of what you mean. I try to be contentious of spoilers to the best of my ability, but I don't wanna break rules if I missed it or something, so I'd be curious about this.

Moonflare just got edited by the mods for not spoiling things correctly and that's a big problem. If they're actually gonna step in they need to provide rules of engagement.

Worst part is we don't even know if Void reported it, or someone's shit stirring, or some mod passed over by chance and stepped in where they shouldn't frankly.

 

[AzureVolt]

Do you mean you submitted a ticket with the site moderators or something, regarding spoiler tagging things? Like, I'm a bad dude and didn't ACTUALLY read all site rules before posting (forgive me father, for I have sinned), so I'd be curious of what you mean. I try to be contentious of spoilers to the best of my ability, but I don't wanna break rules if I missed it or something, so I'd be curious about this.

To be honest, I also completely skipped on reading the terms & service and the site rules when I first joined, if they put in a rule about legally owning my soul, I would be unable to stop it

 

[AzureVolt]

Moonflare just got edited by the mods for not spoiling things correctly and that's a big problem. If they're actually gonna step in they need to provide rules of engagement.

Worst part is we don't even know if Void reported it, or someone's shit stirring, or some mod passed over by chance and stepped in where they shouldn't frankly.

I doubt a mod came in, this is like no man's land to them, a graveyard of lost souls and miserable memories. Maybe a newer mod who came and change Moonflare's post because they're still a bit on the new side if anything.

But I'm also frankly new myself and don't know what else could change a post like that

 

[crustlord12]

pressing spoiler button wont kill you. better be safe than ruining some ones fun.

This is gonna blow your mind but we actually do mark spoilers. I've been here for a damn long time (too long) and I know that after every update, all discussions about the update are hidden in spoiler tags.

We do not spoiler-tag content from 1, 2, 4+, etc years ago because that would just be ridiculous. There is an effective TTL for spoiler-content in a story that's consistently being updated and discussed because at a certain point it is assumed if you're interacting with the thread, you'll have played the game enough to ... well, be interacting with the thread.

 

[Pedro4545454]

To be honest, I also completely skipped on reading the terms & service and the site rules when I first joined, if they put in a rule about legally owning my soul, I would be unable to stop it

I think I've already sold my soul to a lot of people since I never read this ;-;

Honestly, does anyone genuinely read this kind of stuff? ;-;

 

[Moonflare]

Do you mean you submitted a ticket with the sight moderators or something, regarding spoiler tagging things?

Several hours after a newcomer complained about spoilers and was not agreed with by the thread regulars on the nature of his complaints, one of my posts was edited by a moderator and they sent me a message to use spoilers when necessary. We haven't had any problems related to spoilers in this thread for a very long time, maybe years even. I submitted a ticket (inquiry to the moderation) explaining and asking further about the situation.

Moonflare just got edited by the mods for not spoiling things correctly and that's a big problem. If they're actually gonna step in they need to provide rules of engagement.

Exactly. The crux of the matter is that we self-moderate to a certain extent here since we're a fairly active community and try to keep things healthy and inviting, and thus, even though we rarely see them, we do have a measure of respect for the mods. So if they're going to step in, we want to cooperate - we just can't if they don't provide further instructions. We already use spoiler tags as needed, and there is a consensus on their use between the regulars. This is a highly abnormal and suspicious instance, thus the need for the ticket.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

To expand on this.

Rin has blonde hair at some point. Is that a chapter 4 spoiler? Sure. How early can you find that out? As soon as you get 5 affection and do her first dorm event in 0.46 (current update) because Sel has made all the generic dorm events use the latest chapter 4 models since the whiteboard messages update every update and masking away the whiteboard is too much work. Want to get more than 2 rin affection per week? Get spoiled, nerd.



Moonflare just got edited by the mods for not spoiling things correctly and that's a big problem. If they're actually gonna step in they need to provide rules of engagement.

Worst part is we don't even know if Void reported it, or someone's shit stirring, or some mod passed over by chance and stepped in where they shouldn't frankly.

Holy shit, I missed that happening; thanks for the info. I feel sad that things have gone this way over the last little bit. Hope we can get back to what we all LOVE soon and discuss this psychologically damaging game in a constructive and positive environment.

Several hours after a newcomer complained about spoilers and was not agreed with by the thread regulars on the nature of his complaints, one of my posts was edited by a moderator and they sent me a message to use spoilers when necessary. We haven't had any problems related to spoilers in this thread for a very long time, maybe years even. I submitted a ticket (inquiry to the moderation) explaining and asking further about the situation.

Appreciate the response!

 

[givemeabeer]

Try harder.

 

[FireCazador]

The three inline spoilers were genius. I didn't know they could stack like that and I thought my browser was broken.

I hate you xd The previous one worked fine, a few clicks and you could read it but with this one i was mad at my mouse thinking its left click didnt work and it was driving me crazy xdd I had to select (like click and drag the mouse making it blue xd) the text to be able to read it

 

[crustlord12]

I hate you xd The previous one worked fine, a few clicks and you could read it but with this one i was mad at my mouse thinking its left click didnt work and it was driving me crazy xdd I had to select (like click and drag the mouse making it blue xd) the text to be able to read it

Yeah, I can't get it to work either People want spoiler tags? You gotta earn them, then.

 

[elricsecret]

older rin's hair

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[AzureVolt]

This is gonna blow your mind but we actually do mark spoilers. I've been here for a damn long time (too long) and I know that after every update, all discussions about the update are hidden in spoiler tags.

Been lurking since like v0.18 I think, and I still think that this thread about this game is only the thread to use spoiler tags so often honestly.

We do not spoiler-tag content from 1, 2, 4+, etc years ago because that would just be ridiculous.

it's really like a book that's been out for 1, 2 ,4+ years like you said, you really can't expect the main thread of discussion of a popular(popular? is this game even popular idk) visual novel and not have people discuss about the latest details, espeically on a day near update release day, people want to guess what happens based on the previous update, people like Moonflare want to talk about their latest crackpot theories(never seen someone so gung ho about their idea more than Moonflare) and most of people, people love here love to share and talk about everything about this game; it's a bit unfair to expect everyone here to be hush hush about what their favourite scene was or their favourite character did and how it defines their character growth, including our protagonist.



Random question btw, unrelated to all this

If Moonflare's ultimate crackpot theory ever actually becomes real, do we call them the Lessons in love prophet or the second coming of selebus?