You reminded me that both his blessing and his bff warned him.
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Ami is obviously redeemable, otherwise she wouldn't still be the most underdeveloped character according to Selebus. So I think this is a very safe bet.
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But then we'd have no story, I guess.
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Lol, i might be a complete moron but i can still notice things, i have a thought about once every 3 or 4 days... and today's was 'Ami isn't really 15 though if she's retaining her memories between resets is she?'. Lmao at Sugoognib.
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I'll preface this by saying that I love Ami and don't find her irredeemable at all - I fully expect that she will have a redemption arc and that it will be the best thing in the game (until Yuki gets a purity route and Akira becomes Yumi's dad). I do think in the long run the general impermanence of events will palliate the sting of most of her actions, too.
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I don't think Hima not having any negative memories of her really means much either, considering how manipulative we know Ami to be and their seemingly limited contact - not to mention Hima is a blood relative so Ami's probably in love with her lol
But yeah, definitely not irredeemable. It's a story about the reformation of a heinous sexual predator, writing Ami off knowing the end-goal for Akira doesn't really make sense to me.
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The fact she was able to let go in the Pocket Dimension shows that it’s possible for her to get better, let go of Akira and become a family member liked by Himawari should be proving that it should be our goal to get there, just like how we are striving for the happy family ending as shown in other parts of this update
So uhhhhh, still not part of the Ami club, but I have hope for her now
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Sure, but I don't think that applies to the Ami in Himawari's dream world. Resets don't happen there in the same way, and Himawari (both of them) act like she's completely normal there.
There are definitely interesting philosophical questions about whether the Ami in Sensei's world (or Maya Prime) is really a teenager or not, but I give some benefit of the doubt given her brain isn't able to develop physically and her mind and memories are constantly being messed with by "supernatural" forces (including the custodians).
To be clear, I wasn't trying to say the Ami in Himawari's dream world is a perfect angel or anything, and I'm sure Akira and Ayane think they have a justified reason to keep her away from Himawari. But all of that happened after they abandoned her, and even the dimension-hopping Himawari doesn't think Ami did anything really bad there. I would imagine she knows the reason for the falling out.
The part that really gets me is that Ami isn't even allowed to call Akira "Dad". No matter what she did, that just feels vindictive.
As for the Ami in Sensei's world: nope, sorry, still not buying that it's that simple. The Ami in Chapter 3 wasn't a cold-blooded killer and I will die on this hill.
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Bro okay, Ami may not be "irredeemable" but I don't think this really gets rid of the fact she is consciously killing people. Like didn't she just kill nodoka in that other world? Which by the way, the heck was that world? That must have been Ami's wish right? Since it was about a family with her, but I can't help but wonder why Nodoka was there to solve stuff. Obviously she's got some connection to these shenanigans. Anyway! Yeah the main point is she is still consciously a murderer lol. Unless it's some god messing with her like they do Akiras blackouts, because that STILL wasn't really explained this update...so I guess we just assume it's gods not just "watching" but messing with that world? I was very curious on paraedola and HOPE at least but can't get to everything I guess
I'm sure Selebus with the right scenes and soundtrack and give her a redemption arc or something, but this game really is starting to get bloody, and it started with her first murder we saw ngl
I'm sure Selebus with the right scenes and soundtrack and give her a redemption arc or something, but this game really is starting to get bloody, and it started with her first murder we saw ngl
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I can't wait for the days I can cheer for Ami again, the problem is right now I'm praying for the downfall of this Ami and every time she doesn't get what she wants it makes me happy. I had it for a moment in 0.50 before he folded immediately.
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I didnt say any of this.
Im not saying shes at fault for being broken, im saying she cant be fixed (with what we know at the moment).
In ALL potential futures we have seen she has failed to be present or change, in the world in which sekai lives, she murders nodoka for touching akira, did she go through trauma there too, in a perfect world where her perfect mother never died? Yeah i dont fucking think so.
She has persisted for thousands upon thousands of years (if maya prime is anything to go off) and has ALWAYS been psychopathic.
"Shes nice to himawari"
Yeah, of course she is. Thats what manipulators do, this is so on brand im not even sure where to start on explaining it, in the same conversation where himawari says ami is always nice, ami is literally shit talking HER MOTHER.
She NEEDS to treat himawari well cause its a gateway to getting back to akira and thats exactly what we are seeing. Ami doesnt LIKE himawari, ami is using her as a tool. She has gone from raping maya to being nice to her in the span of mere sentences. I forget the name of this abuse cycle but its very well documented in relationships. You hurt your partner then proceed to lovebomb them and it absolutely ruins peoples psyche. Its a well documented manipulation tactic by psychos and can lead to stockholme syndrome and severe dependency issues.
Ami fucking sucks, could she have a redemption arc? Maybe. Do i think its going to happen with what we know currently? No. But we are only halfway through the game so who knows, personally its looking like the only option is a self sacrifice so far. Would explain the angel ami fairly well in the happy event.
For the record, id like to point out that i said ami having a go at akira after the niki noriko incident was a w for her. She has been canning up her problems for the sake of a man who doesnt deserve it, its good that she could finally have a moment to reflect on how horrible he is, and how horrible she has been for once instead of bending over backwards for him.
But we need to see more of that reflection before anything changes.
Irregardless of her development. She cannot have akira in the end.
And currently, thats ground for murdering him.
Additionally, there will never be a way to slice akira leaving ami as anything but shitty. But lets be real, ami doesnt need akira, she needs centuries of therapy.
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I'll say the controversal thing: a parent's duty to their child is great but not unlimited. A parent shouldn't have to stick around a child that legitimately threatens to murder them.
We don't know exactly why Ayane and Akira left in that alt reality but the our Ami is more than awful enough to justify that decision, 15 years old or not.
We don't know exactly why Ayane and Akira left in that alt reality but the our Ami is more than awful enough to justify that decision, 15 years old or not.
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Id forgotten how good ayanes school uniform was now holy moly.
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Hi everyone, I took a break from LiL and the forum for a couple of months until the new update dropped, but since then I’ve tried to catch up at least the last 30 pages. This update was really good — it’s been since… ever that I felt so emotionally invested in a story and its characters.
About the world and the wishes… it’s all quite confusing. What I thought to be a world inspired by DnD’s Ravenloft setting, the Domains of Dread and their Darklords (which I still think it is, at least as a basic premise of inspiration), is instead revealed to be a bureaucratic mess of a universe, where all the figures of power are less outright evil and more just insane, desperate gods willing to do anything to keep existing. (As I slowly replayed the game, I realized the first DnD session we see literally has the standard introduction to any Ravenloft campaign: “You are taken by the mists from different realms and find yourselves together in a new world,” with Sensei even implicitly acknowledging it’s something he can relate to).
About Ami: I think Ami is not irredeemable as a character, but I do think the current iteration of her is. We’ve seen her character kill in two different realities, and we know she’s done it more times before. We’ve seen her being negatively influenced by Sekai’s ghost (or in person); she’s becoming more unhinged and villain-like with each update, and she has untreated psychopathic tendencies that have gone unacknowledged for far too long in her life.
I think i remember this isn’t even the first time she’s threatened to kill Sensei (or at least pondered violence while talking to no one - probably Sekai or a god), since she had that mental breakdown when she cut her hair, but i’m not sure.
To me, it seems her real mental changes began when she started reading her mom’s poems in Chapter 2 (like in the “My Life With You” event). Before that, either she didn’t retain all her memories from past cycles, or she was simply so used to seeing Sensei reset each time and to easily seduce him again and again. Once Sensei stopped resetting and began to truly progress with other girls, she became increasingly unstable and unable to keep up the act anymore.
Anyway, I actually think the end of the current route, the Harem Route, can’t be possible while Ami, or at least this iteration of Ami exists. My opinion is that the end of the Harem Route will show a world without Ami and without resets.
In such an ending, Akira will be able to finally “complete” his harem at the cost of Ami (or at least this version of her). But without the resets to erase time-progression issues, everything will continue into the Dark Route, which will take place in a more “normal” world. Himawary herself said so, the time of this ever-resetting world is coming to an end. Still, i'm not so convinced beacuse i can't see Sel completely remove a character for the whole Dark Route.
Himawari’s pocket world: I like to imagine Himawari’s pocket world simply a world where Maya never existed, with the progression of thing going as (all of this is my imagination going, nothing with solid bases on):
About the world and the wishes… it’s all quite confusing. What I thought to be a world inspired by DnD’s Ravenloft setting, the Domains of Dread and their Darklords (which I still think it is, at least as a basic premise of inspiration), is instead revealed to be a bureaucratic mess of a universe, where all the figures of power are less outright evil and more just insane, desperate gods willing to do anything to keep existing. (As I slowly replayed the game, I realized the first DnD session we see literally has the standard introduction to any Ravenloft campaign: “You are taken by the mists from different realms and find yourselves together in a new world,” with Sensei even implicitly acknowledging it’s something he can relate to).
About Ami: I think Ami is not irredeemable as a character, but I do think the current iteration of her is. We’ve seen her character kill in two different realities, and we know she’s done it more times before. We’ve seen her being negatively influenced by Sekai’s ghost (or in person); she’s becoming more unhinged and villain-like with each update, and she has untreated psychopathic tendencies that have gone unacknowledged for far too long in her life.
I think i remember this isn’t even the first time she’s threatened to kill Sensei (or at least pondered violence while talking to no one - probably Sekai or a god), since she had that mental breakdown when she cut her hair, but i’m not sure.
To me, it seems her real mental changes began when she started reading her mom’s poems in Chapter 2 (like in the “My Life With You” event). Before that, either she didn’t retain all her memories from past cycles, or she was simply so used to seeing Sensei reset each time and to easily seduce him again and again. Once Sensei stopped resetting and began to truly progress with other girls, she became increasingly unstable and unable to keep up the act anymore.
Anyway, I actually think the end of the current route, the Harem Route, can’t be possible while Ami, or at least this iteration of Ami exists. My opinion is that the end of the Harem Route will show a world without Ami and without resets.
In such an ending, Akira will be able to finally “complete” his harem at the cost of Ami (or at least this version of her). But without the resets to erase time-progression issues, everything will continue into the Dark Route, which will take place in a more “normal” world. Himawary herself said so, the time of this ever-resetting world is coming to an end. Still, i'm not so convinced beacuse i can't see Sel completely remove a character for the whole Dark Route.
Himawari’s pocket world: I like to imagine Himawari’s pocket world simply a world where Maya never existed, with the progression of thing going as (all of this is my imagination going, nothing with solid bases on):
- Maya was never there to give solace to Sensei -> Sensei finds solace in Ami much sooner than the current timeline.
- Sensei keeps screwing his students, then falls in love with Ayane, Ayane gets pregnant and Sensei finds in his new daughter something he can love more than Ami, mirroring Sekai’s events when Ami was born.
- Sensei and Ami keep seeing eachother, but keep their relationship secret to everyone, again mirroring his story with Sekai.
- Ayane finds out about them / Sensei tells the truth to Ayane many years later, he has to make a decision - to choose between Ayane and Himawari and Ami – He choose the first.
- Time passes until the events of Himawari’s pocket world are realized.
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Doesn't the interaction with Sana imply there have been resets though?
I agree with you that she's absolutely a classic manipulator but considering that we know this is a game, she's all but guaranteed to have a redemption arc and a positive ending. Whether she deserves it is up for argument but she's getting redeemed eventually, one way or another.
I cannot wait for the H-scene. Step aside, Clown Yumi, crusty found a new best girl.
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Cool with me as long as its well written.
If i can warm up to Otoha im sure i could to Ami too with some development. But rn i wanna throw her into that hole IO found.
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Hey, Hima is a blood relative, Ami probably likes her too much.
Maybe they could just figure out a way to reset Ami and start over fresh with her lol