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Anyone willing to post any good screenshots of Selly melting down on discord? I'd go and have a look myself but you need a proper account with a phone number to get past the welcome mat and like hell i'm giving discord my number. I need more popcorn entertainment.
 
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Anyone willing to post any good screenshots of Selly melting down on discord? I'd go and have a look myself but you need a proper account with a phone number to get past the welcome mat and like hell i'm giving discord my number. I need more popcorn entertainment.
The threadseption wars have begun.
Honestly though, I think it's best to leave it alone. I won't will try not to post anything about his anymore. Let the guy vent.
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Yeah, definitely has nothing to do with the high quality of the game or insane rate he puts out updates compared to some other game devs...
You could develop the greatest game in the world, but if you don't get it in front of thousands of peoples' faces and have a place for word of mouth to spread, you're not obtaining the success he has as fast as he has. Who do you personally talk to about the porn games you play? How many people? How many other people do you think talk about porn games with their friends? And where else would you discuss them publicly, Itch? This site offers orders of magnitude more reach than Itch.
 
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The threadseption wars have begun.
Honestly though, I think it's best to leave it alone. I won't will try not to post anything about his anymore. Let the guy vent.
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Oh, now this is very good bait. Yeah, let's talk about that one time I definitely made fun of someone's dad so he can ban me :ROFLMAO:

This is like the Drake v. Anthony Fantano feud of porn games. Yeah, I'm the one with the crush. It's not like this isn't the funniest shit I've ever seen on this forum or anything :ROFLMAO:
 

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He already rolled back custom renders being available at the $35 tier out of (understandable) considerations for his time, so I guess we'll have to see...
He can be supported, but he can't outright paywall stuff made in KK, which is what he's doing with the CPs, gravure renders, and other custom renders, Illusion doesn't like it when people do that.
 

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Oh, now this is very good bait. Yeah, let's talk about that one time I definitely made fun of someone's dad so he can ban me :ROFLMAO:

This is like the Drake v. Anthony Fantano feud of porn games. Yeah, I'm the one with the crush. It's not like this isn't the funniest shit I've ever seen on this forum or anything :ROFLMAO:
Selebus' childish tantrums, he makes a good game, but as a person he seems very unlikable.
 

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Honestly though, I think it's best to leave it alone.
I know i shouldn't, i try to be a good site member... but i just love this drama so much, the meltdowns, the fury, the hilarious images, the screenshots, the trolling, the counter trolling, there's some little dickhead in the back of my head that just loooooves the whole thing and wants more. Selly could easily kill all of it off if he just shutup but he can't and that makes it a million times more hilarious and fun. Watching control freaks freak out over not having absolute control is endlessly entertaining.
 

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I know i shouldn't, i try to be a good site member... but i just love this drama so much, the meltdowns, the fury, the hilarious images, the screenshots, the trolling, the counter trolling, there's some little dickhead in the back of my head that just loooooves the whole thing and wants more. Selly could easily kill all of it off if he just shutup but he can't and that makes it a million times more hilarious and fun. Watching control freaks freak out over not having absolute control is endlessly entertaining.
Yeah, but there's a risk that mods will lock this thread up again. That aside, I hope Sel have at least some fun with this stupid "war" and not just seriously brooding, all edgy-like. That's unhealthy.
 
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Eh. I don't personally approve of people sharing patron-only content, since he asked me not to. I just also don't really think it looks good for a dev to be getting so upset about stuff being leaked and shit-talking a web site that brings in so much attention to his product. Like, he turned to this place for help when Patreon dropped him, and from what I can tell, it helped. I found this game through this site, too.

I think he should probably chill.
 

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Yeah, but there's a risk that mods will lock this thread up again. That aside, I hope Sel have at least some fun with this stupid "war" and not just seriously brooding, all edgy-like. That's unhealthy.
The man is going on his honeymoon soon. Imagine being wound up around petty internet drama on your honeymoon!

Huh? As far as I know they do jack about anything anyone does with their assets or things made with their soft, don't they?
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I know, but I'm talking about how they don't actually do anything about it.
You'll notice that no game made with Illusion assets is posted for sale for a fixed price on any marketplace like Steam. Even on Itch you're just paying for "early access".
 
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This current development upsets me greatly because while I haven't touched this game for a bit it was still one of the few on this site that I had thoroughly enjoyed my first go around here. Off-topic thing to say but I hope this all blows over soon and the dev can just chill out instead of lashing out. Cheers.
 

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You'll notice that no game made with Illusion assets is posted for sale for a fixed price on any marketplace like Steam. Even on Itch you're just paying for "early access".
I get that. DarkDaemon here
He can be supported, but he can't outright paywall stuff made in KK, which is what he's doing with the CPs, gravure renders, and other custom renders, Illusion doesn't like it when people do that.
seperates ** from the base game by pointing out how one is paywalled and another isn't (-ish). Both of those violate copyright, while only one of those cases "Illusion doesn't like", so I thought that he was alluding to some precedent, like Illusion taking legal actions against hard paywalled stuff, but not against "free" games, or something. That what I was inquiring about, sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
 

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This current development upsets me greatly because while I haven't touched this game for a bit it was still one of the few on this site that I had thoroughly enjoyed my first go around here. Off-topic thing to say but I hope this all blows over soon and the dev can just chill out instead of lashing out. Cheers.
U can just separate art from the artist. I learned it long ago, when I, being fan of HP, discovered the JK Rowling is dumb virtue-signaling bitch.
 
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Time to vent a bit after lurking here for a couple years and never posting.

I've supported for a while now, albeit it sharing it here once or twice only when he threw fits. I was never actually opposed to requests and care packages being paywalled, but the behavior from Sel (and in turn the behavior he has encouraged from others) regarding all this has baffled me. Sel's been increasingly revealing himself to a dick for a long time, but in the past it was always behind the curtain of the discord (usually the patron sections). I'm happy to see that this side of Sel has become a bit more publicly viewable so people can be a bit more informed before subscribing, but I'm sad that this affects the game somewhat.

I get separating the art from the artist, but when Sel is actively telling his subscribers to "wage war" (which seems rather hyperbolic to me), verbally attacks forum users here, and discusses writing "Fuck F95" inside future updates, it's harder to separate. Given the "puzzles" this game already has, along with the multitude of fourth-wall breaks in the game serving to vent Selebus' frustrations, I wouldn't be surprised if the art itself is influenced by this drama, which I find unfortunate.

LiL is a great game and has given me much joy over the years. I don't regret supporting Sel, and will probably continue to do so (he has made an amazing product, and I really do favor the idea of supporting creators you enjoy) but it saddens me a bit to see the community I once loved so much a couple years ago be filled with such toxicity. You can see the changes over time in the way he acts, in the way his community runs, and even in the way the game is written.

Damn you Sel. Damn you for making such a wonderful piece of media and then slowly tainting my love for it with your constant superiority complex and need to provoke drama. Over a couple years we went from spamming meat and celebrating new members to banning anyone who disagrees with Sel's status quo. Sel made a post today claiming people "love" him because they discuss him constantly. Maybe that's true for some, but Sel: know I despise how you act to people with every fiber of my being. I couldn't be further from "loving" you, and haven't even respected you for a while now. My sole hope regarding all this is that LiL can get made before you go so far off the deep end that you nuke the project entirely.

I miss the good old days chatting with Cad, Gaki, and Maui and hope things settle to a point where I feel comfortable chatting with other fans of the game again outside of F95 (a place which has thankfully remained rather welcoming over time).
 

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I get that. DarkDaemon here

seperates ** from the base game by pointing out how one is paywalled and another isn't (-ish). Both of those violate copyright, while only one of those cases "Illusion doesn't like", so I thought that he was alluding to some precedent, like Illusion taking legal actions against hard paywalled stuff, but not against "free" games, or something. That what I was inquiring about, sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
Oh, I see what you mean. Not that I know of. Illusion undoubtedly has a relationship with Steam et al., but the care packages and other stuff are hosted on the LiL website for a reason. That's a lot more effort (money) to address than just sending an email to a corporate contact, so I doubt they'd find it worthwhile.

Even if they did care enough to get the website taken down, it would just pop up again hosted in the Cayman Islands or something, which would be even more effort. The cheapest option would then be to just hire someone to DDoS it, but in that case, Cloudflare (which offers protection) won't even deny service to real life neo-Nazis - so this stuff is largely impossible to enforce on the greater web without deep pockets. I doubt Subscribestar would care either. And this is all assuming someone is depraved enough and wanted to actually harm a game developer enough to snitch to Illusion about it, which despite what said dev thinks, isn't going to happen either.

That doesn't mean they like it, though.
 
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