Create and Fuck your AI Cum Slut –70% OFF
x

Algorist

Member
Jul 18, 2022
117
381
98
I said "understandable". Not "justified". Nothing Nodoka did to Yumi was "justified", and nothing Yumi has done to anyone is "justified". What Nodoka did to Yumi was Vengeance:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
And personally I agree with Nodoka, it's nothing compared to what Yumi put Futaba through:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Yumi has potentially fucked Futaba for life and caused her to slowly kill herself. Meanwhile, Futaba has done nothing but try to be nice to her.

Yumi got off rather easy honestly. Just imagine what Nodoka could have done if she wanted.

I'm leaning more towards Otoha knowing how shitty she is, how much it's hurting and going to hurt others, and doesn't really care because she wants Niki to "make a woman" out of her:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
To each their own interpretation though. I'm getting a little bored talking about Otoha, lmao.

Btw, Foreshadowing:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Nah, it'll probably be much worse. Poor homie.
I see. Your points are well-substantiated and persuasive. I can certainly understand why you believe Otoha is worse. Moreover, I didn't remember Yumi being that much of a dick towards Futaba. I guess you tend to overlook the bad in your favorite characters (or these may be newer. I haven't replayed the game at all).

Then there's the aspect of the law. Otoha probably committed some sort of battery or domestic violence (by slapping Rin); I have no idea where exactly her actions would fall in Japanese law.
Whereas Nodoka almost certainly committed sexual assault.

I have seen someone mentioning that for us, players of this game, who know the context behind the character's actions, that recognize this is all fictional, what Otoha did is much more shocking than what Nodoka did. While I don't strictly agree, the idea holds merit. The fact that we're discussing this at all is the proof.

A girl slapping her girlfriend, cheating, and generally being an awful partner? Not even newsworthy. A minor sexually assaulting another one, forcing her victim to masturbate in front of her while she sucks off their teacher? National, no, possibly
global news right there.

Sometimes, I wonder if this game has warped my common sense.

Of course, I do not understand the characters perfectly, especially Nodoka. But I can talk about my impression of them.

My impression of Otoha is that she is an immature, impulsive, dipshit teen. These aren't rare at all. These aren't particularly dangerous (unless in groups).

Whereas Nodoka, she's too unpredictable. Her in-universe intelligence enables her to create schemes that could cause extreme harm. Her likely psychopathy also allows her to have no external moral constraints, only those she herself constructed. In other words, she's highly dangerous.

The fact that she considers Sensei, an actual predator, as harmless is more than enough proof that her internal moral compass isn't to be trusted.

In a hypothetical situation, being positioned to profit immensely, the only condition is fucking everyone and everything over (possibly the very fabric of reality, as this is Kumon-mi); I'm afraid of what she would do.

I don't think Otoha would go that far.

As of yet, I'm not sure who's worse. Which is strange, for I feel something telling me I should. Which is why I believe this game has warped my common sense.
 
  • Like
Reactions: crustlord12

fdsasdf_p

Well-Known Member
Apr 24, 2021
1,251
5,943
637
Speaking of picture message exclamation marks, I finally figured out why ! resurfaced for some girls but not other girls despite already checking all the dialogues as soon as they came out.

Apparently saving immediately right after doesn’t work; the game has to go through some scene transitions to properly recognize your efforts when saving.

I.e., after exhausting all dialogues, immediately saving and reloading = ! resurfaced; but after something as simple as visiting dorm, then saving and reloading, then your progress is kept.

Well here you go some useless trivia that nobody asks for but probably something I should’ve already known since like day 5 :LOL:
 

Angra Shadow

Newbie
Jun 6, 2023
58
172
133
Off topic stuff

I suddenly feel bewildered by how Sensei managed the most recent Miku mild-OD situation. His panic level is so apparent that it puts his another issue, that is he fucking his teenager students, to shame.
(Seriously, the unfazed reactions of his when Otoha found out and when Nodoka published compared to this. It’s laughable)
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
I’d say with the most confidence that the levels of consequence between these two types of “bad management” are not even close to be comparable. It’s perhaps because this time the consequence involves Io, and meanwhile his chicken brain has convinced himself that he’s the only one that will sink if illicit things get out (which of course Futaba slapped him with her side of reality)
I think it's because even though he keeps telling himself that he is such a horrible person for taking advantage of all these girls, deep down he is still holding onto the belief that he is "helping" them and making their lives better, so he rationalizes his guilt away, but in situations like this his action or lack thereof has caused serious damage to them and he cannot hide behind any pretense or cope.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LuisD and fdsasdf_p

ccxvidonaferens

Active Member
May 25, 2022
802
1,004
267
I think it's because even though he keeps telling himself that he is such a horrible person for taking advantage of all these girls, deep down he is still holding onto the belief that he is "helping" them and making their lives better, so he rationalizes his guilt away, but in situations like this his action or lack thereof has caused serious damage to them and he cannot hide behind any pretense or cope.
Self-delusion can be a powerful thing.
 

DeSkel15

Engaged Member
Sep 29, 2019
2,647
9,382
637
Yep, she did take it into account when she hid that book from Futaba, but didn't take it into account when publised that book. Does it really sounds like

? It more like not give a single fuck about other's feelings when she does not want it
Sorry, I'm back.
Knowing vs Understanding.

Nodoka knows she's fucked up when Futaba gets upset:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
However, she doesn't seem to understand why what she did caused her to be upset:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Nodoka knew explaining to Futaba her logic behind the book would be difficult:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
But to her, all of Futaba's problems would be solved by simply not reading it:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
It's just a rectangle:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
She doesn't seem to understand why Futaba is upset.

In fact, Nodoka seems to have done this entire book thing for others like them, those who live for it:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
To her, it's likely meant to be a good thing, and isn't actually intentionally malicious.

Still, writing the book itself is definitely intentionally insensitive, which is the shitty part of this.

Anyway, Nodoka knows Futaba has insecurity issues, but I highly doubt she understands them. Nodoka doesn't seem to be capable of much empathy as she doesn't seem to think or feel the same as others.
 

alpha90stigma

Newbie
Dec 14, 2018
27
16
188
Help! Finished Voice of Vibration and I can't continue Miku's events. Well I probably can, but I can't figure out how. Help!
 

DeSkel15

Engaged Member
Sep 29, 2019
2,647
9,382
637
I see. Your points are well-substantiated and persuasive. I can certainly understand why you believe Otoha is worse. Moreover, I didn't remember Yumi being that much of a dick towards Futaba. I guess you tend to overlook the bad in your favorite characters (or these may be newer. I haven't replayed the game at all).

Then there's the aspect of the law. Otoha probably committed some sort of battery or domestic violence (by slapping Rin); I have no idea where exactly her actions would fall in Japanese law.
Whereas Nodoka almost certainly committed sexual assault.

I have seen someone mentioning that for us, players of this game, who know the context behind the character's actions, that recognize this is all fictional, what Otoha did is much more shocking than what Nodoka did. While I don't strictly agree, the idea holds merit. The fact that we're discussing this at all is the proof.

A girl slapping her girlfriend, cheating, and generally being an awful partner? Not even newsworthy. A minor sexually assaulting another one, forcing her victim to masturbate in front of her while she sucks off their teacher? National, no, possibly
global news right there.

Sometimes, I wonder if this game has warped my common sense.

Of course, I do not understand the characters perfectly, especially Nodoka. But I can talk about my impression of them.

My impression of Otoha is that she is an immature, impulsive, dipshit teen. These aren't rare at all. These aren't particularly dangerous (unless in groups).

Whereas Nodoka, she's too unpredictable. Her in-universe intelligence enables her to create schemes that could cause extreme harm. Her likely psychopathy also allows her to have no external moral constraints, only those she herself constructed. In other words, she's highly dangerous.

The fact that she considers Sensei, an actual predator, as harmless is more than enough proof that her internal moral compass isn't to be trusted.

In a hypothetical situation, being positioned to profit immensely, the only condition is fucking everyone and everything over (possibly the very fabric of reality, as this is Kumon-mi); I'm afraid of what she would do.

I don't think Otoha would go that far.

As of yet, I'm not sure who's worse. Which is strange, for I feel something telling me I should. Which is why I believe this game has warped my common sense.
Honestly, I think a major issue for those who plan on replaying this game is seeing how the girls started. Yumi is definitely a fan favorite, but since she's so popular, her misdeeds are ignored, just like with celebrities, etc. Replaying the game will shove how awful she was into your face, and I'm sure that'll mindfuck a few people.

Legally, what Nodoka did is "worse" than what Otoha has done, but legality, common sense, morality, etc are all different things that depend upon one's environment and time period. Legally, Nodoka is also "better" than Otoha as well. She contributes more to society, likely understands the law far better, and if it came to it, she'd likely be proved not guilty for her crimes, while Otoha probably wouldn't. Them both being teens would likely help a lot either way, albeit a lot less so in Nodoka's case. While we're on the topic, Yumi is actually the only one that's committed a crime, and was punished by an authority for it. Assault and probably Attempted Murder in front of a class full of witnesses. Luckily for her, she's a teen princess.

Personally, I find both Otoha and Nodoka to be predictable. I get why they do what they do for the most part (good writing on Sel's part imo), and that's why I consider Otoha more disgusting. Of course, I likely see things different than others, as does everyone to different degrees. I don't see being "normal" as others have sold Otoha for being, as anywhere close to a desirable trait.

As for Nodoka, I'm leaning more towards her trying to keep those she cares about protected no matter the cost. Sacrificing everyone would leave Nodoka with nothing. I can definitely see her tossing the undesirables, and possibly even herself away, to attain the bigger "win" though. Nodoka knows she isn't worthy of a happy ending:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
and neither are Sensei, or Yumi. Of course, it'll depend on how things go. I don't doubt that if it comes to it, she'd sacrifice whoever to save those she actually cares about though, including herself. That might be the best ending we could hope for. I can also see Maya doing the same, and probably both Ami and Ayane, etc.

So far, I don't really think that anything Otoha will do, will matter that much in the grand scheme of things. Unless she convinces Rin to kill herself or something, then that'll probably have some affect. I could also see some Sekai influence being teased with the whole "Little Brother" stuff. Idk, the characters are easier to predict than Sel. I wouldn't put it past Otoha to use whoever then rationalize whatever to keep herself happy though. More or less already doing that with Rin.

"The word of the day is: Perception". Yeah, Sel wasn't kidding with that whole thing. Altering the reader's perception "willingly" is rather interesting, and I wouldn't doubt that is a goal behind this work, for better or worse.
 

DeSkel15

Engaged Member
Sep 29, 2019
2,647
9,382
637
Random, but in retrospect, I think Nodoka may have found a loophole so that she could fuck Sensei with Futaba's blessing:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Albeit, somebody better have been dying, or Nodoka intentionally hurt Futaba:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
and has no excuse for fucking Sensei otherwise.

I'm curious how Nodoka will rationalize this once it comes out. The other stuff I can "understand", but how exactly Nodoka processed this is either going to be quite interesting or quite disappointing.
 

fdsasdf_p

Well-Known Member
Apr 24, 2021
1,251
5,943
637
Help! Finished Voice of Vibration and I can't continue Miku's events. Well I probably can, but I can't figure out how. Help!
Miku love > 55 and visit her dorm on Sat; she will become unavailable for awhile after Voice of Vibration so just keep checking her dorm until the option appears.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DeSkel15

Bingoogus

Forum Fanatic
Sep 5, 2021
4,354
13,312
628
Honestly, I think a major issue for those who plan on replaying this game is seeing how the girls started. Yumi is definitely a fan favorite, but since she's so popular, her misdeeds are ignored, just like with celebrities, etc. Replaying the game will shove how awful she was into your face, and I'm sure that'll mindfuck a few people.
This 100% happened to me when i did my second playthrough a few months back, i'd forgotten so many scenes of Yumi being a complete cunt to Futaba, all i'd remembered it as is some minor picking on her, calling her fat at any opportunity, i'd forgotten all about the towel and showers bullshit.
 

JelF547

Well-Known Member
Mar 15, 2023
1,107
2,208
396
Sorry, I'm back.
Knowing vs Understanding.

Nodoka knows she's fucked up when Futaba gets upset:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
However, she doesn't seem to understand why what she did caused her to be upset:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Nodoka knew explaining to Futaba her logic behind the book would be difficult:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
But to her, all of Futaba's problems would be solved by simply not reading it:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
It's just a rectangle:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
She doesn't seem to understand why Futaba is upset.

In fact, Nodoka seems to have done this entire book thing for others like them, those who live for it:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
To her, it's likely meant to be a good thing, and isn't actually intentionally malicious.

Still, writing the book itself is definitely intentionally insensitive, which is the shitty part of this.

Anyway, Nodoka knows Futaba has insecurity issues, but I highly doubt she understands them. Nodoka doesn't seem to be capable of much empathy as she doesn't seem to think or feel the same as others.
Lets summarize it a bit. Your point is that Nodoka does not understand other people. My point is that she uses it as excuse to do what she wants against their will. And if Nodoka does not understand reasoning behind emotions of other people, it makes her actions only worse. I.e. if you know why something is bad, you do known when it is OK and when it is not OK to do it. When you don't know, you would "accidentally" hurt people.

It is not that hard to understand, that if you friend has real issues with being exposed, she would be hurt when you place her in a book. It does not require deep understanding of why she has that issues

PS
By the way, doesn't Nodoka & Futaba relationships look more and more like abuse?
 
Last edited:

DeSkel15

Engaged Member
Sep 29, 2019
2,647
9,382
637
Lets summarize it a bit. Your point is that Nodoka does not understand other people. My point is that she uses it as excuse to do what she wants against their will. And if Nodoka does not understand reasoning behind emotions of other people, it makes her actions only worse. I.e. if you know why something is bad, you do known when it is OK and when it is not OK to do it. When you don't know, you would "accidentally" hurt people.

It is not that hard to understand, that if you friend has real issues with being exposed, she would be hurt when you place her in a book. It does not require deep understanding of why she has that issues

PS
By the way, doesn't Nodoka & Futaba relationships look more and more like abuse?
Your point was actually: "Does it really sounds like
not understanding others
? It more like not give a single fuck about other's feelings when she does not want it"

However, if you're wanting to say that Nodoka takes advantage of not understanding others, then yeah, for sure. Nodoka takes advantage of practically everything she can. She very clearly takes advantage of Futaba's kindness:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Nodoka can definitely be shitty, hence why she wrote the book knowing that others wouldn't want her to. To Nodoka, her wants are prioritized over the wants of others. It's how she expects others, even the likes of Futaba to think:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
This is what made Futaba cry. Nodoka just seems incapable of understanding her. Futaba can't get through to her:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Yet to Nodoka, she seems to think she can't get through to Futaba. She thinks Futaba doesn't understand:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
This literally is a huge misunderstanding between friends, albeit, caused by Nodoka.

My point is it's more due to insensitivity than maliciousness. She simply didn't take their feelings into account instead of trying to hurt them. I can't hate her for that, but I do hate that she did this. If she doesn't feel remorseful for this, now that she's seen what it's done to Futaba though, then yeah, I'd say she's being an abusive friend.
 
Last edited:

JelF547

Well-Known Member
Mar 15, 2023
1,107
2,208
396
Your point was actually
Well, I also had a break to make my thoughts cleaner :) That discussion hit my sore spot a bit, sory for not being clean from start

My point is it's more due to insensitivity than maliciousness. She simply didn't take their feelings into account instead of trying to hurt them.
Okay, we are on the same wave here. The rest is just subjective.

By the way, I can see exact same thing in Otoha, but less intensive
 

DeSkel15

Engaged Member
Sep 29, 2019
2,647
9,382
637
Well, I also had a break to make my thoughts cleaner :) That discussion hit my sore spot a bit, sory for not being clean from start


Okay, we are on the same wave here. The rest is just subjective.

By the way, I can see exact same thing in Otoha, but less intensive
Nah, Otoha was definitely taking Rin's feelings into account. She just didn't approve of them. That's why she wanted Rin to give up those she loves like nothing:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
And also seemed to find what Rin cares about, stupid:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Recently though, she seems to hardly even care what Rin has to say:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
and seems to want to pretend her relationship doesn't exist, when it benefits her:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
 
4.10 star(s) 340 Votes