shmurfer

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Should I play this game?

After reading many reviews of the game I don't know if this gonna be a perfect game for me or some massive waste of time, so please give your honest opinion, because for now I land right in the middle. (I figure you guys can be huge fan but please I'm not looking for entering a new sect for now, I just need honesty.)
Unfortunately, if you end up liking the game you will almost develop a cult longing for it. Some people here are hopelessly addicted to it and sometimes want the game to die so they can be free, but even at its most frustrating it hasn't caused a mass exodus yet.
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Should I play this game?
Yes, but no. Also, I'll try to not spoil any plot point, though I think it has been done already, but whatever.
EDIT: Almost forgot, I'd say yes only for the BGM, God, how on point it is for almost everything, even the sandbox, there are few games that do this right.
What I like:
Long games with deep stories. I'm more looking for a great narration and some lewd scenes than the other way around.
I'm a sensitive fella but not everything need to be rainbow in paradise (even tho love™ is a wonderful thing). I really enjoyed Pale Carnation & Being a DIK recently because my suspension of disbelief of over the top, I was wrapped in the story and interactions in those games.
I like to feel and when a game can teach me something about me or others. I love when AVN can give me the abilitty to reflect on Life (with a capital L).
Topics can be hard, I may cry etc but it was to be for something, I like balance.
Depends on how "deep" you actually like your story. I find that word tends to be thrown around without understanding what it means. A month's worth of time of a place explored and its impact in the relationships of everyone that is involved? That isn't deep, it's just life. That said, this game is kindaaaa, deep but not really? Oh, you definitely can't deny how deeply it delves into its theme, but anything else that isn't tangentially related to it won't receive the same amount of attention, with a few exceptions (though you can argue the execution of those exceptions is related to the theme).
What I'm OK/neutral with:
The grind™, sandbox, having to follow a guide/mod, a looong ass story, management element or puzzles, the art style of the game.
Well, you'll definitely need the guide mod, otherwise you'll ragequit. I think there's an autovn mod that works like a linear mode, but IMO, the sandbox and the repeatable events don't lose their charm while you wait to reach the required quotas for some events, though the autovn mod is there if you want it. Also, the anime style is definitely a turn off for some people in large dosis, take that into consideration while you play.
What I don't like:
Cringe/awkward edgyness. I'm a +30 years (happily) married man I've a hard time with immature MC/choices, I find it a huge deal breaker (No skibibis in my AVN please).
Also being sadistic or hurting others for the sake of it, it's a big deal breaker. The MC can act like a scumbag at times but he need to feel at least remorses, at best fuel for a change.
Cheap fantasy and bad horror/bad creepypasta/free violence are no good as well.
Incest & hardcore raceplay are a turn off but not a deal breaker.
What about self-destructive ones? I somehow typed a paragraph that included the seven sins, but it was too cringe. There is product placement in some scenes, run while you can.
What are the odds someone uses that specific phrase in a "should I play this" post for this particular game? That said, darker stuff won't start until you're either filtered or too deep to escape, and sadly even elaborating on this can be a spoiler.
Ehh, there's gratuitious stuff, but IMO it doesn't distract from the experience. Bad horror/creepypasta exists, but to filter you. There are flashing images and "scary" stuff, though no jumpscares that I remember.
TL;DR: I'm a romantic 35yo dude how love a good story that can help me reflect on myself and to feel things. But with a low tolerance toward cringy content or hurting others of the sake of it.
So please tell me dear and kind people of this thread, Should I play this game?
Thanks for your time and pardon my poor english.
Not trying to shame or anything, but how did you even find this game? Its anime style, its length and its subject matter tend to be filters for anyone outside those who were directly recommended this or saw tangentially saw it so many times they came to check it.
 

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Should I play this game?

After reading many reviews of the game I don't know if this gonna be a perfect game for me or some massive waste of time, so please give your honest opinion, because for now I land right in the middle. (I figure you guys can be huge fan but please I'm not looking for entering a new sect for now, I just need honesty.)

What I like:

Long games with deep stories. I'm more looking for a great narration and some lewd scenes than the other way around.
I'm a sensitive fella but not everything need to be rainbow in paradise (even tho love™ is a wonderful thing). I really enjoyed Pale Carnation & Being a DIK recently because my suspension of disbelief of over the top, I was wrapped in the story and interactions in those games.
I like to feel and when a game can teach me something about me or others. I love when AVN can give me the abilitty to reflect on Life (with a capital L).
Topics can be hard, I may cry etc but it was to be for something, I like balance.


What I'm OK/neutral with:

The grind™, sandbox, having to follow a guide/mod, a looong ass story, management element or puzzles, the art style of the game.


What I don't like:

Cringe/awkward edgyness. I'm a +30 years (happily) married man I've a hard time with immature MC/choices, I find it a huge deal breaker (No skibibis in my AVN please).
Also being sadistic or hurting others for the sake of it, it's a big deal breaker. The MC can act like a scumbag at times but he need to feel at least remorses, at best fuel for a change.
Cheap fantasy and bad horror/bad creepypasta/free violence are no good as well.
Incest & hardcore raceplay are a turn off but not a deal breaker.

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TL;DR: I'm a romantic 35yo dude how love a good story that can help me reflect on myself and to feel things. But with a low tolerance toward cringy content or hurting others of the sake of it.
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So please tell me dear and kind people of this thread, Should I play this game?
Thanks for your time and pardon my poor english.
I mean, it sounds like it's up your alley. There's a few specific scenes I can think of that sound like they might push you out of your comfort zone but they're not there for shits and giggles, they have a point and make sense within the context of the story.

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On balance I'd second what Moony said and encourage you to just give it a few hours - despite the length I think most people who enjoy LiL probably found themselves captivated quite quickly, and the author was quite clever in that he puts a couple of the weirder/more disturbing scenes early on so that people would be able to figure out relatively quickly if it wasn't for them.

And if you do give it a go absolutely use the walkthrough mod or the AVN mod lol
 

jclark1337

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Should I play this game?
Yes

Long games with deep stories. I'm more looking for a great narration and some lewd scenes than the other way around.
I'm a sensitive fella but not everything need to be rainbow in paradise (even tho love™ is a wonderful thing).
Long and deep story, check. The foundation of the story is very dark and touches maturely on a lot of taboo and complicated subject, but in my personal opinion it has a hopeful undertone to it all. As if the story is trying to tell you that no matter what horrors await you in life, there is still beauty.

I like to feel and when a game can teach me something about me or others. I love when AVN can give me the abilitty to reflect on Life (with a capital L).
Topics can be hard, I may cry etc but it was to be for something, I like balance.
Drama and mystery is this author's bread and butter. He is great at getting you to feel for the characters, even ones you originally start off apathetic about. As a personal anecdote:
After the first part of the story that sets everything up and establishes some sort of status quo, there are new characters that begin to be added pretty abruptly. I remember finding myself feeling a bit wary and annoyed at the time because I didn't trust the author to have enough time or care to actually flesh them out if he kept on repeating this. Needless to say, some of them are my favorite characters now...

Also the narration is another one of the strong points, there is a lot of waxing philosophical and poetic prose but imo it's not overly pretentious and actually has some interesting messages to think about and plot relevance.

What I'm OK/neutral with:

The grind™, sandbox, having to follow a guide/mod, a looong ass story, management element or puzzles, the art style of the game.
Sounds right up your alley, then.

What I don't like:

Cringe/awkward edgyness. I'm a +30 years (happily) married man I've a hard time with immature MC/choices, I find it a huge deal breaker (No skibibis in my AVN please).
Also being sadistic or hurting others for the sake of it, it's a big deal breaker. The MC can act like a scumbag at times but he need to feel at least remorses, at best fuel for a change.
Cheap fantasy and bad horror/bad creepypasta/free violence are no good as well.
Incest & hardcore raceplay are a turn off but not a deal breaker.
Cringe/awkward edgyness: There are a few cringe pop cultural and personal references but it never gets nearly as cringe as "skibidi" or the like. The author is in his
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Even at it's worst it's never common enough to really get overbearing imo.

Sadistic or hurting others for the sake of it: it happens in the story but not necessarily from the MC. He does in fact feel remorse at times (doesn't automatically make him a good person for it) but he's not a sadistic, violent murder/rapist or anything.

Cheap fantasy/bad horror: I think you'll be fine here. The "horror" aspect of the game comes across as more of a... symbolic manifestation of trauma than actual plot-relevant set piece that is meant to make you scared. Some of it is purposely wacky to the point of comedy, some of it invokes a tragic and somber feeling for what it seems to represent.

Incest is absolutely core to the story and personal character arcs, but it's not there simply for catering to a kink (most of the time.)

Anyways, if you can handle a bit of dark subjects treated in a somewhat serious manner (with some jokes spread out here and there to lighten the mood and poke at the obvious) I think this story might be worth a shot.
 
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Should I play this game?
Many people wrote already about it, so, I will skip it and just answer - yes, especially if you want to feel something.

A fair warning though - one of the charms of this game is theory discussion between updates (just look at the amount and quality of comments in this forum!), so, try not to look here when playing, or you may encounter some serous spoilers! Unless you encounter a puzzle - then welcome to the 1st page!
 

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I don't mean she dies but was thinking more along the lines of she escapes and everyone forgets her.
I think it would have the same effect on him, cause he'd remember her.

And I think I'd get angrier if he couldn't remember her after having a year that would have been different if he could remember, and now going through a reset except this time he could remember everything only to lose it an hour later.

Today is the release day! Have to wait ~12 hours.
More like 6, at least for english. Unless I missed a delay which doesn't seem likely since he finished days ago
 
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I should had looked for guides earlier, I did up to like ver. 51 without the guide mod and had a separate window with all of the available events from the wiki, multiple tabs, whenever I play this game. I had to manually scour reddit posts for the puzzle solutions. Big oof. Anyhow, can't wait for the update to drop!

Edit: I forgot to add that I can't see some of the images uploaded here anybody got any ideas?
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In celebration of Halloween, I wrote up one more spoooOOOooky theory to squeeze in before the update.

Ami didn't kill Maya. Sensei unwittingly killed her while he was blacked out.

(Sorry, when I said "spooky", I actually meant depressing as fuck.)

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There are more things to discuss, such as how Maya got there and Sensei's (subconscious) motive, but those will have to wait until next month. Hint: the RAS meeting wasn't the first time Maya2 showed up in the update. I'll bring this up again after the 0.53 discussion dies down.
 
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Thanks again for your time and kind words.
I'm still kinda in the middle for now.

My wife is away on business trip next week so I think I'll give it a shot one evening after work and see where I land.
Worst case scenario it's 3hrs lost, not a big deal.

I've a last question before the upload come and I won't be able to read this thread safely:

Is this game depressing to the point that it can massively affect your mood?
I can stand inconfortable as in Pale Carnation (which I thought was gonna be too much at first but because of the camaraderie between characters it was right on point) but I can't really do straight up depressing for +200h without affecting my daily life.

Once again thanks for your measured responses.

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Not trying to shame or anything, but how did you even find this game? Its anime style, its length and its subject matter tend to be filters for anyone outside those who were directly recommended this or saw tangentially saw it so many times they came to check it.
I came across the game will looking into "management" tagged games (weighted rating sorted) and later on this thread.


EDIT: Sorry that I ask so many question but a game like this is a big commitment as I'm a dyslexic non native english slooow reader, so if the game is long for you guys, it even worst for me.
 
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In celebration of Halloween, I wrote up one more spoooOOOooky theory to squeeze in before the update.

Ami didn't kill Maya. Sensei unwittingly killed her while he was blacked out.

(Sorry, when I said "spooky", I actually meant depressing as fuck.)

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There are more things to discuss, such as how Maya got there and Sensei's (subconscious) motive, but those will have to wait until next month. Hint: the RAS meeting wasn't the first time Maya2 showed up in the update. I'll bring this up again after the 0.53 discussion dies down.
Well I read this expecting it to be another unhinged theory but it makes way too much.
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Is this game depressing to the point that it can massively affect your mood?
I can stand inconfortable as in Pale Carnation (which I thought was gonna be too much at first but because of the camaraderie between characters it was right on point) but I can't really do straight up depressing for +200h without affecting my daily life.

Once again thanks for your measured responses.

EDIT: Sorry that I ask so many question but a game like this is a big commitment as I'm a dyslexic non native english slooow reader, so if the game is long for you guys, it even worst for me.
It's not depressing for 200 hours. There's lots of peaks and valleys and the entire spectrum of emotions.It's quite neutral most of the time, almost one piece like adventure for a teacher trying to sleep with his students. I'd say frustration would be more common than depression since if you put yourself in the MC's shoes you'd probably fix most situations much faster than he does if he does. Here's a specifically chosen screenshot from after probably one of the most depressing moments in the game, and even at that point the dev seems to know that if he's only writing depressing stuff people will tune out.
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It's only in some of the more recent updates where things are questionable, and I think the perception for those will fix themselves if he sticks the landings between the major checkpoints of the game (of which we should be finishing the latest one mere hours from now).
The first part of chapter 4 was thought to be hella depressing / frustrating as it was being released monthly, but now that section is fully released I don't think it was nearly as bad as the discussion would lead you to believe. It's just the wait for new content making it fester way longer than it normally would
 

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Another possibility is that Maya is already dead (thanks to Ami) and Sensei does something bad to her body. But keep in mind that Nao tries to stop him out of compassion, which to me implies a living victim. If he kills Maya, it also explains why Nao so suddenly gives up - Maya died and Nao could no longer do anything. If Maya is already dead, I don't know what else would cause Nao's abrupt change.
I think this is more likely, because I have a better moment when I think Maya was killed. Makoto's "A Matter of Time".

Maya is in the event earlier, Makoto is trying to get her to the RAS party. Ami shows up, scary red light, Maya is convinced to leave with her. Then the narrator brings up the colors, talking about how they are misdirection, a trick of perception, then they talk about Makoto and Yumi on the beach, the narrator starts crashing out about this, then there's a static jump where this screenshot is from, with dialogue written in a cheesy foreshadowing way.


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Before there's a lot of static white flash and color flashing off as the narrator is cut off, figuratively and I think literally too. The narrator dialogue stops there and its just dialogue between Yumi and Makoto.

We've long talked about how characters have been narrators, and I think this was a tip of the hat to how Maya definitely was one of them.



As for why Nao-chan stops him. Nao-chan specifically isn't shown to talk in a pretentious all knowing way, she's quite down to earth when she has the notepad and tries to help in simple ways. I think she saw he was served a part of Maya, and she was trying to get him to break the perception trick being played on him to no success. Once the meal is done there's no need for her to struggle anymore, she's just frowning and the people posessing the other girls are laughing and insulting Nao, comparing her to Sensei.

I think it's doubly true if you look at the end of the event where they get their minds back. Tsuneyo recognises the scent of what's on him. You've already theorized that you think Tsuneyo's dad is dead, and his corpse is in Tojo Ramen and there's a smell to it. With the time shenanigans going on / Sel not thinking about everything 100% of the time, I doubt there's any thoughts to decomposition but maybe she recognises the smell of a dead body that Akira just bathed himself in.
 

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In celebration of Halloween, I wrote up one more spoooOOOooky theory to squeeze in before the update.

Ami didn't kill Maya. Sensei unwittingly killed her while he was blacked out.

(Sorry, when I said "spooky", I actually meant depressing as fuck.)

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There are more things to discuss, such as how Maya got there and Sensei's (subconscious) motive, but those will have to wait until next month. Hint: the RAS meeting wasn't the first time Maya2 showed up in the update. I'll bring this up again after the 0.53 discussion dies down.
Do you have more theories like that? As a non-english person I may not noticed a lot of hidden things through the game and this makes read this update again before the 0.53 will be released. If you have can you send it to me all? I might start the game from the beggining again. And thank you for this.
 
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