Because she is the reason you cannot fuck Rin (?
I personally don't dislike her character
I personally don't dislike her character
You can't fuck Rin because Selebus is an asshole. Here the problem is too many characters introduced almost immediately and this is a huge topic on which you can write a dissertation
For the same reason, Otoha is too empty a character and an appendage to Rin.
it's just funny to make fun of her
none of the characters are particularly unlikeable, so someone has to be the scapegoat
on another topic, I have to say it's become very jarring playing something else and hearing the music that's also in this game. like no, no, that track is for staring at the sky, not for a porn game... this is all wrong...
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I guess people don't like her because she looked down on Akira for being into his students, smth like that.
While she does the same thing now, with being into her tutor Nikki and not coming clean with Rin.
She's a hypocrite.
My guess is that Sel upgraded to newest Ren'py version and savegame editors haven't caught up yet.
I think i also read something about something new in savegames that are supposed to stop cheating.
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I tried replaying from the Chika decision to see the two missing Ayane events and I realized that this game is as close to a social torture experiment as a porn game can get. I envision Selebus cackling madly in some moldy cellar at the thought.
Imagine playing this abomination of a sandbox from the start, guessing all the right times when to be where to see any progress. Then do it 1000 times...
Well, I have to be off. I'll go get a root canal to relax.
Imagine playing this abomination of a sandbox from the start, guessing all the right times when to be where to see any progress. Then do it 1000 times...
Well, I have to be off. I'll go get a root canal to relax.
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Otoha is an extremely shitty person, which she's aware of:
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Worst of all though, I find her boring as fuck. I feel like everything she brings to the table is done by more interesting characters. Even her "Little Brother" and presumably shotacon stuff is done better by Sekai. One thing actually unique to Otoha is her hitting her girlfriend, and that's not really something I want to see.
I personally wouldn't really care if she got fridged. I mean I would, but it'd be more like "It's about time", than "Oh, NOtoha!" or whatever, lmao.
Edit: In retrospect, I wouldn't mind Nodoka's suggestion either:
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Well, I see that Otoha's relationship was imposed by strong persuasion from both Rin and the class
She didn’t agree for a long time because Rin literally recently rejected Chica, that is, the relationship was initially unhealthy (as if your friend’s ex-girlfriend after breaking up would start to stick to you)
Therefore, blaming Otoha for all mortal sins just because she gave up in this circus is not very good
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Damn Deskel.. you have been wanting to rant about Otoha for a while huh? XD let it out man, let it all out.
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Nah, I'll hold the actions she chooses to commit, against her. She was never forced to do any of this, let alone continue to do so.
Also the relationship is still Unhealthy. Otoha is toxic as fuck, and as far as I can tell, she's only with Rin so that others can't be:
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I wasn't kidding, this is literally what comes to mind when Otoha gets brought up:
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The recent beach update, kind of just solidified this for me.
If you read the whole line of their relationship from the beginning, it was obvious from the beginning
that is, this is a logical result of how the relationship began and how it continued until the moment with the kiss (unfortunately, due to technical reasons, I cannot provide screenshots)
It’s also worth looking at Rin, who also put pressure on Otoha
So, in the end, both are guilty, but only Otoha takes all the blows
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It has to be her before-after hypocrisy, and maybe plus the fact that everyone loves Rin. All that paint her an easy target to be made fun of. It's a little bit like this:
However in all honesty I absolutely do not hate or dislike her a single bit because of how she poorly handles what's on her plate. Among the sea of neighboring teenagers who all want to fuck the same teacher’s brain out, all her struggles in sexuality and/or choice of ideal partner type while balancing with her unsupportive parents are much more real and excusable (not saying the consequences of poor handling won't come, but excusable none the less). Otoha simply is someone who doesn’t know herself and what she wants well, and can only figure out and hopefully improve by making bad choices. What she's been doing, despite being shitty, is imo well within the confine of a normal fucking teenage girl.
The bad influence not only comes from Sensei, which makes her think "It's okay that I also do this" or "Niki definitely is suggesting something right now because all teachers are like this", soaking in an environment where all your classmates want to fuck teacher (and more than a quarter of them are already fucked) surely wears off her sanity by slow attrition, like during World of Lines.
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But the most determining factors for me are a) she's cute
and b) if I haven't passionately hated Sensei's relationship handling style, I am going to be super lenient to Otoha.
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That's a little delusional.
There's literally no good excuse for this, and the only pressure Rin put upon Otoha is due to Otoha leading her on since the beginning:
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Also, Otoha takes all the blows? Rin got hit, cried who knows how much, and got cheated on. On top of this, she's being used for "nudes" by her girlfriend who doesn't even love her... Otoha is merely struggling with her own shittiness at best. Rin doesn't deserve any of the blows, tbh.
I struggle to see how one could actually defend Otoha's actions at this point. I mean they can try, but, yeah, not really going to work if you actually know the context. Liking her despite her faults is fine, some of the worst people ever are the most popular, but if you think she's being judged unfairly, just because you like her, imma tell you that's a little delusional. I'm judging her fairly.
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Now, I'm a bit curious. You previously said you do not believe Nodoka to be "that bad." Then whom, between Nodoka and Otoha, do you consider being a worse person, in general?
To me, personally, Nodoka is the more interesting character, no doubt. She feels connected to the "deeper" lore of LiL. And that's what I value above most things in this game.
I don't care about Otoha much; she isn't very compelling. Then again, I don't actively dislike her. She has some engaging moments. As one would expect, I think she is a shitty person. Fortunately for Nodoka (and Sekai, Sensei), when it comes to fiction, there's no problem being an asshole as long as you are intriguing. Unfortunately for Otoha, she merely isn't as entertaining as them. Her struggles aren't that unique. She comes off as your average selfish prick.
Honorable mention: Haruka, who is amusing in a different sense. As a clown (seriously, I've laughed hard at some of her scenes).
That's to be expected, you can't please everyone always and there are a lot of things that could affect that within the game.
Good spot, I didn't even notice because of the contrast or lack thereof.
Sounds like you tripped the protection against malicious saves, which yes, is a thing. I do believe there is a way to do it without this, but I'm not entirely sure of that as I don't use save editing myself (if I have an issue that would require save edits, namely red events or wrong choices known to cause red events, I start over).
Because of her actions in the later part of the story. She's shown herself to be extremely possessive and unwilling to let her partner do things that she herself will not abstain from doing.
Actually, though this is kind of true, the real reason is Rin is still on the girls side of her bisexuality and has only really swung toward even the slightest bit of interest in guys once. If she was interested to the same degree in Sensei as she was in Otoha and Chika, we would have already gotten somewhere before Otoha was an issue.
That is not and never was a problem, in fact, it's thanks to the large cast that he can alternate groups of girls to avoid burn out. Remember, the story comes first in this game, so we get Rin when it is time within the story, when she is ready to actually swing toward Sensei, and no sooner.
And also essentially cheating on Rin, which while not okay in the first place, is made worse by expecting loyalty from Rin.
I've already done this several times over, it's not that bad.
To be undeservedly fair to Otoha, I think she's also extremely impulsive and very weak to those impulsive moments, which got to her with the cheating. I mean, sure, she could have fully intended to cheat and still expect loyalty from Rin, but I am getting a sense that kiss was a heat of the moment impulse and she simply had no control. Also, at least she's self aware, some people and characters like her are not.
She's done so much damage and the only reason those two are still together, besides story reasons, is because her partner is the type that may just take it without resistance.
Yep, she could have rejected Rin, she could have been good to Rin after accepting her, but she did neither. This relationship is a ticking time bomb and time is running low. This is getting set to blow up massively, we might just see Rin in her worst state yet.
No, Rin had no idea any of this was going to happen, she took a blind leap and landed in a pot starting to boil. It wasn't until after they actually got together that Otoha started showing her negative tendencies, so it is 100% on Otoha. Also, Rin was kind of blinded with her rejection from Chika and desire for a partner that just so happened to, unfortunately, fall on Otoha.
This is true, what Otoha has done is well within the realm of normal for a teen. They are at a point where they can be extremely impulsive and may not know the full extent of the effect choices they make can have, so they can be much more free with how they act due to not being careful of said consequences.It has to be her before-after hypocrisy, and maybe plus the fact that everyone loves Rin. All that paint her an easy target to be made fun of. It's a little bit like this:
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However in all honesty I absolutely do not hate or dislike her a single bit because of how she poorly handles what's on her plate. Among the sea of neighboring teenagers who all want to fuck the same teacher’s brain out, all her struggles in sexuality and/or choice of ideal partner type while balancing with her unsupportive parents are much more real and excusable (not saying the consequences of poor handling won't come, but excusable none the less). Otoha simply is someone who doesn’t know herself and what she wants well, and can only figure out and hopefully improve by making bad choices. What she's been doing, despite being shitty, is imo well within the confine of a normal fucking teenage girl.
The bad influence not only comes from Sensei, which makes her think "It's okay that I also do this" or "Niki definitely is suggesting something right now because all teachers are like this", soaking in an environment where all your classmates want to fuck teacher (and more than a quarter of them are already fucked) surely wears off her sanity by slow attrition, like during World of Lines.
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But the most determining factors for me are a) she's cute
I probably have a Rin brain
Yep, ultimately, even with what I said above this, Otoha is guilty of several things and those things serve to build potential for hurting another character. I just hope she learns from what I see as a now inevitable negative end to the Rintoha relationship. I don't hate Otoha, she's one of my favorite characters, I'm just disappointed in her as if disappointed in a friend who messed up bad.
I would still say Nodoka is worse after the Yumi thing. If Otoha ever does something like that to Rin, I will flip a table, I swear. Still, Otoha's actions and the amount of in universe time going by before they come to a climax could serve to make the impact so much worse than the Yumi thing could even hope to be.
This creates a huge problem because by paying attention to everyone a little bit, we have too many problems that are stuck at the escalation stage and will be there for another year or two until Seleb remembers (and maybe even forgets)
The situation of Molly and Sensei, which has been hanging for 1.5 years and has not moved forward
What's up with Yasu and Sekai in the scene that was in 0.28?
In addition, there are characters that, well, just don’t need the same Osako
What about Yumi and Tsuneya after the reboot (well, Yumi is clear, but Tsuneya is also not certain
Again, the line of Maya and Kaori, which hung at the riddle stage
There are still moments when there is a line, but it is miraculously simply forgotten. The same illness of Chinami, which was one update and then simply disappeared
Having entered 35 characters, it is impossible to catch an adequate amount of time for everyone
It's either that or Sel burns out and we never see a resolution to most if not all of said problems. As it is now, the resolution is only delayed, not stopped from coming entirely. We are at a point in the overall story where things are still escalating anyway and we will be until the dark route peaks. Since we aren't yet even in that section yet, there is still time to build.
None of what happened in past updates has disappeared, everything has its time to be updated. We will still see what is happening to Chinami, for example, and that was already looking to be a dark route plot point.
The term adequate in this case is subjective, what is adequate for the developer or one player won't be adequate for another player, you can't please everyone and even trying will just displease everyone. Some people don't think the amount of H content is adequate, they want more, while others want to maintain the focus on the story. If either side gets what they want, the other is displeased.
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Definitely Otoha. Like it's not even close. At least for now.
Nodoka has at least done things that are "good" for others:
- Taken care of her mother:
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- Worried about and helped Otoha get some freedom:
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- Tested Sensei's dangerousness for everyone:
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- Tried to defend Futaba from Yumi, and was willing to be hurt in her stead:
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- Gave Sensei an outlet:
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- Helped Rin get fingered:
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- Etc
Even the Blackmailing Yumi stuff is understandable in my opinion, since Yumi mercilessly tormented one of the most important and nicest people in Nodoka's life for who knows how long, just because she could.
Not to say Nodoka isn't a shitty person at times. Nodoka's actual shittiness just seems unintentional:
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Honestly, where I'd place Nodoka overall is still up in the air though. I can see her intending to protect everyone (or at least those she cares about) from Sensei by being his outlet:
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Nodoka is also definitely far more interesting.
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those previews are nice
the miku dressing as penny parker is interesting guess some spiderman dialogue or sumtin
the mac tonight moon man i guess is noriko? kinda nutty choice of costume
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Pesonally, Otoha being aware of her own shittiness, and not trying to fix it, makes it so much worse for me.
I also could chalk up the kiss to an "oopsy" if she wasn't still pining over Niki:
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