Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[AgumenticR]

"Oh no please, I don't want to have a threesome! That sounds terrible! If anyone agrees to this, the sex stops right now!"

And sorry yeah, I edited a previous comment about it being the main girls. You can skip quite a few of the side girls already.

You can also avoid Ami and maybe Sana, depending on the role skipping that event will play. At the very least, it's definitely possible to pick an option that avoids Sana for a time being.

 

[Angra Shadow]

Nah, if he really didn't want to indulge in them, he wouldn't indulge in them. The feeling bad part has nothing to do with the desires themselves, it's about how they make him look to others and himself.

This reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite stories:

"Feeling guilt but not acting on it is, by nature, a product of calculation. You were forced to make the decision, but you weren't brave enough to take on the sin. So you stepped back, passing the actual work to someone else and chose the path of a bystander who neither helps nor mediates."

I've always felt like it was the perfect quote for Sensei's character, with the Ayane-Kirin, Yumi-Nodoka and Miku-Io situations being prime examples of that. He tends to feel a lot of guilt but never really does anything about it, it's more of a way for him to feel like he isn't a bad person. He thinks about how he is a bad person as a way to justify his immoral choices and actions, but in reality he breaks down very badly the moment his choices and actions (and in some cases inaction) have real consequences and tries to tell himself that he is actually a good person. He is, as you stated, a massive coward who runs away from responsibility and accountability every chance he gets.

 

[wamzzz]

Anyway, How long did it take you to read the game?

I binged it earlier this year and it was around a week and a half. It does have a bit too much text, I was already forgetting about events in the first chapter by the time I got to the end of the update I was on (.28).

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

I binged it earlier this year and it was around a week and a half. It does have a bit too much text, I was already forgetting about events in the first chapter by the time I got to the end of the update I was on (.28).

People often get confused thinking quantity equals quality. Sometimes less is more and brevity can be your friend.

 

[DSasha]

I binged it earlier this year and it was around a week and a half. It does have a bit too much text, I was already forgetting about events in the first chapter by the time I got to the end of the update I was on (.28).

Damn, that is really fast lol, you were basically reading like a book per day (and big books)

 

[wamzzz]

Damn, that is really fast lol, you were basically reading like a book per day (and big books)

Oh yeah, I usually read rather fast (1k books in a day or two if I binge) and that was the most I'd read in quite a while. It was also when I had a particularly bad bout of insomnia so it wasn't exactly healthy. I was running on 2 hours of sleep on a good day and staying up 24+ hours. I'm planning to re-read it after during the big hiatus after this update? (or maybe the next one) but I'm pretty sure it'll take me much longer this time.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Thank you Ami for incidentally enabling all the future beach-related events, H or non-H.
I know I can always count on you for looking after Sensei's (and ours) benefits and interests

 

[DeSkel15]

Not only we see internal dialogue that contradicts that reasoning, it doesn't even make sense. He'd be at worst exchanging one girl for several others, and that isn't likely. Moreover, it couldn't be a reason for changing the sexual relationships he already in.

Yeah, and that kind of care was so destructive it scarred him for life. Understandably, he feels rather hesitant to try and care for anyone else with education like that.

If he wanted to indulge without feeling bad, he would simply not feel bad. He instead wants to not want to indulge, and feels bad because he can't, one way or another.

I mean, it was more the lack of care that scarred Sensei, and Ami. Pre Sekai's death, Sensei seemed more or less fine. Post her death, he ditched his girlfriend and fucked a kid and after being mind fucked, he's gotten to this point. Ironically, once Sensei restored Sekai, he seemed to start caring more. Definitely a fucked up situation nonetheless.

That's not how feelings work. Hence why people do drugs and drink to distract themselves, instead of just "not feeling bad". I think it's more like Sensei actually just wants to stop feeling bad for indulging, hence the Nodoka stuff:

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She doesn't make him feel bad for fucking a teenager, or bringing in other predators like Haruka. She protects him from the bad feelings:

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Which is why he hides feelings from everyone else:

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But treats her as an outlet for them.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Anyway, How long did it take you to read the game?

It took me super long to finish any update, let alone the entire game, because I had to constantly Alt Tab to avoid raising questions that I don’t know how to answer.

 

[DeSkel15]

Anyway, How long did it take you to read the game?

Doing the math, because I haven't finished yet and I don't remember the exact dates either, it took me two months to reach these last events; not reading evey day because stuff, and also at the same time reading other things but mainly this.
At first I thought I was reading it pretty fast but when I realized that I had already been reading this for two whole months (I'm now finalizing chapter 3) it seemed like too long. Lately I haven't had much time to finish the third chapter but I want to do it quickly so I can take some time and re-read it to settle certain things, see differences and at the same time see how long it takes me to read it from beginning to end.

Which leads me to wonder, has anyone here read the game more than once? The game it's pretty extense by now but I usually read/watch things twice at least so I can have a better persepective from things.

Also when I was about start playing this, I was reading in a russian forum a disscusion about Selebus being or not a graphomaniac or something, and at first while reading the first chapter, I must say that I totally agreed with that, there were too many paragraphs that I considered very unnecessary, and the fact that Selebus was always so attentive to how many words he wrote per update and how often I've read this being the longest VN ever and things like that, it kind of emphasized to me more the fact that he is a graphomaniac.
Though to be honest, I don't know if it is because of the habit of reading this, the love I have for the game or because Selebus has been able to improve in his writing, I don't notice that type of things as much anymore, however for a game that has more than two million words, it doesn't seem to me that the game has advanced that much, not only in the main plot, but also in the story of each character, I think the events usually have a lot of text but little progress so yeah, kinda weird

I've read it in around a week, albeit I skipped most of the grind through URM. I've only played through it twice, but I plan on doing so again during the hiatus.

 

[JelF547]

She just seems to have a fetish for it.

Just imagine Maya getting horny each time she says Sensei is disgusting. I guess I have one more thing for my next playthrough

 

[DeSkel15]

Just imagine Maya getting horny each time she says Sensei is disgusting. I guess I have one more thing for my next playthrough

I wouldn't even be surprised. Probably reminds her of the good old days:

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[DeSkel15]

A reminder that Sensei literally shot down Imani last update.

You know, the fact that one of the first girls he's ever rejected happened to be one of the few black girls in Kumon-mi, probably doesn't look good. Sensei over here pulling a Wakana:

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Just with his dick apparently.

 

[Angiboat]

Anyway, How long did it take you to read the game?

About a week and a half or two of active "playing" and reach 3.0 or so for content. I basically skipped every Molly scene at the time because I found her extremely boring, though. Did eventually re-read when I re-"played".

 

[qaz098]

He does hold back, but that's because he literally has all the time in the world to slowly chip away at them. He's not in a particular hurry. I would also argue that his current streak of actually caring for the girls is a more recent development and an inconsistent one at that.

i agree with this when it comes to Sensei he smart and he knows to play the long game if he has too. he not going to jump on the frist change he gets if he thinks it scare them off afterwards. he a groomer so he knows he has to get them to trust him frist. this was what he was doing with Yumi with helping her find a job because before that Yumi was trying to avoid Sensei and wouldnt even let you in her dorm room before that. but by helpping her find a job Sensei had a way in and was slowly getting her to open up to him and trust him. but then Nodoka happen and then the reset.

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spoiler tags to stop a wall of text.

 

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You know, the fact that one of the first girls he's ever rejected happened to be one of the few black girls in Kumon-mi, probably doesn't look good.

...and Molly

He he he

 

[butterfly boy]

i agree with this when it comes to Sensei he smart and he knows to play the long game if he has too.

Sensei isn't smart, he's a fucking idiot. He:
- got caught having sex with Ayane by Kirin. Literally could have prevented this by not having sex in the same hotel that all ten of your students could enter.
- had sex with Chika loud enough to be heard by Tsubasa, TWICE.
- somehow thought it was ok to allow Miku to use random drugs
and many more. He only gets away with everything because he is universally loved by every girl. That is basically how every story in this game is written:
Sensei does something bad -> Girl gets hurt -> Girl forgives Sensei anyways because she is head over heels in love with him.

Anyway, How long did it take you to read the game?

I first read this game in v0.27 and it took me around 1 week of at least 12hrs/day.

Also when I was about start playing this, I was reading in a russian forum a disscusion about Selebus being or not a graphomaniac or something, and at first while reading the first chapter, I must say that I totally agreed with that, there were too many paragraphs that I considered very unnecessary, and the fact that Selebus was always so attentive to how many words he wrote per update and how often I've read this being the longest VN ever and things like that, it kind of emphasized to me more the fact that he is a graphomaniac.
Though to be honest, I don't know if it is because of the habit of reading this, the love I have for the game or because Selebus has been able to improve in his writing, I don't notice that type of things as much anymore, however for a game that has more than two million words, it doesn't seem to me that the game has advanced that much, not only in the main plot, but also in the story of each character, I think the events usually have a lot of text but little progress so yeah, kinda weird

Agreed, this game is incredibly wordy with lots of monologue, cryptic text, and needless banter every conversation. It should realistically be around 1.2M - 1.6M, maybe even 1M words.
I also think that Selebus might be intentionally drawing his game out to milk his patrons.

 

[Bingoogus]

It took me super long to finish any update, let alone the entire game, because I had to constantly Alt Tab to avoid raising questions that I don’t know how to answer.

Lmao, perks of being in my own place, i can watch all the dirty disgusting hentai i want at a normal volume and there ain't no one to around to judge me or complain about it.

 

[DeSkel15]

...and Molly

He he he

I mean he hasn't really rejected her, he just hasn't fucked her yet. He's still a little traumatized from feeling like a rapist and Molly brings back the bad feelings. Of course, he can't resist her forever and she's already wore him down quite a bit.

Edit: nevermind. Realized she's white. I get it now lmao.

 

[DeSkel15]

Lmao, perks of being in my own place, i can watch all the dirty disgusting hentai i want at a normal volume and there ain't no one to around to judge me or complain about it.

"at a normal volume".. That kind of cracks me up. I was expecting more of an "any volume I want", but nope just normal, lol.