Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[harrytrumankr]

no, because a sound is the interpretation of vibrations through an auditory system. That's why we say that dog whistles make no sound (to us), even though it obviously does to dogs.

That extra dose of irrelevant information aside, I think it all depends on how Selebus will decide on the concept of existence and self in the story.

Spoiler: thoughts

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I don't know to which extent Selebus has thought this through to be honest as implications are complex in whichever way he chooses to go.

Maybe the vision imparted to us in this update could give a few clues to how this could be solved as a problem. My mind is a mess right now but I am thinking of the interdimensional travel agency idea Himawari has proposed. And the idea of breaking metaphysical laws to wish new/old worlds into existence, like Maya did. Can we bring dead worlds, dead possibilities, dead people back alive in the end?

I digress. Honestly, I wouldn't want to think too hard about it. Regardless of whatever scenarios raised, Pocket-Hima is dead. There is no entity with independent agency, with memories accumulated solely in the mind of Pocket-Hima, that is alive. The cause of that erasure is Real-Hima. Clear as day.

If anything, this game has taught me not to think too hard about it all. Both in terms of lore and in terms of morality.

 

[SymbolicSalad]

Anyone know if there's any Lessons in Love VRChat models?

 

[Detective Dc345]

We've already fucked our own daughter, what stops us from fucking our own daughter?

We????????

I seriously don't get why some people have such a strong reaction about Maya's provenance. Does it really matter whether she crawled out of a womb or from wherever wishes come from? She is exactly as real in either case, in my opinion.

A direct comparison for the newest piece of Maya lore is Maria from Silent Hill 2.

Spoiler: Spoilers for Silent Hill 2 & 0.53

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Addon: I'm really starting to notice a lot of similarities between Silent Hill 2 and Lessons in Love.

 

[harrytrumankr]

We????????

And once he goes off the beaten path of being an incestuous, child diddling, piece of shit, which is Maya's only purpose to remind him of, does he become a better person.

TLDR: No Maya = Better Akira
[/SPOILER]

Agree with the above. I do think we need more comparisons of Sensei's ideal scenarios to get an idea of what he would really be satisfied with.

Anyways, a bit less serious, but I am gonna go insane if he gets the happy ending just because he diddled a blonde teenager instead of a ponytail loli. Well, again, morality isn't the question sometimes in this game

 

[Moonflare]

A direct comparison for the newest piece of Maya lore is Maria from Silent Hill 2 + [following deep comparative thesis].

Who are you?

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I have no idea when was the last time I saw the Detective writing an analysis.

 

[Bingoogus]

I have no idea when was the last time I saw the Detective writing an analysis.

That's DESKtective to you ma'am.

Also, wtf am I doing in there? My dunce smooth brain ain't a theory crafter!

 

[givemeabeer]

After doing, and doing, and doing, the last update, I came up with the only difference between Maya and Himawari. The only one!
And I let Nao explain it :

Spoiler: Nao explanation

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The eyelid still look gross... I try to find a way to make them smoother, but no clue for now. And yup, I made that render only for that joke.

On these words, I vanish! (Again...)

 

[harrytrumankr]

After doing, and doing, and doing, the last update, I came up with the only difference between Maya and Himawari. The only one!
And I let Nao explain it :

Spoiler: Nao explanation

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The eyelid still look gross... I try to find a way to make them smoother, but no clue for now. And yup, I made that render only for that joke.

On these words, I vanish! (Again...)

Hold on a sec, are you telling me if I believed in got-nothing-right Maya, I get to thrust Himawari?
Now we're talking

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Who are you?

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I have no idea when was the last time I saw the Detective writing an analysis.

I wonder if chapter 4 made Deskel just drop the game... He's still reacting to some posts, but not posting anything.

 

[Fishaman2019]

Yeah, I made a patch that fixes this, along with other typographical errors. You can get it from this post. It's bundled with another patch that "fixes" replays but you can delete that if you don't want it.

Actual chad, thanks a lot!

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

There is still a lot to discover about se- I mean, the world, like if Maya is a wish why did it take 8 years for the world to break, why are the gods represented by Sekai, Nozomu, Pareidolia and Tsuneyo's father, playing around in the world.
And if Maya is a wish, why is Himawari not a wish too, since she didn't answer if Ayane still had a wish, that can mean Ayane still has a wish, or that Himawari is her wish.
I particularly can't trust in Himawari just yet, the world she showed was a little too perfect, saying showing it was an accident is a little sus, and the Maya flash in one of the scenes, makes me think this was a memory with Maya manipulated to show Ayane instead.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Who are you?

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I have no idea when was the last time I saw the Detective writing an analysis.

I am more than just the previews guy! The "detective" in my name is more than just for show . I just rarely do analysis because thinking about this game for more than a couple of minutes gives me a headache.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

There is still a lot to discover about se- I mean, the world, like if Maya is a wish why did it take 8 years for the world to break, why are the gods represented by Sekai, Nozomu, Pareidolia and Tsuneyo's father, playing around in the world.
And if Maya is a wish, why is Himawari not a wish too, since she didn't answer if Ayane still had a wish, that can mean Ayane still has a wish, or that Himawari is her wish.
I particularly can't trust in Himawari just yet, the world she showed was a little too perfect, saying showing it was an accident is a little sus, and the Maya flash in one of the scenes, makes me think this was a memory with Maya manipulated to show Ayane instead.

Of course the world Himawari showed was perfect, the world she showed was her wish. It's not like she'd wish for a shit world lol

And if Himawari herself was a wish she shouldn't be able to have made a wish, or else she would be in the same boat Maya is.

 

[Moonflare]

The "detective" in my name is more than just for show

If we were to assume this to be true, then the fact that you have "demon cock" in your name raises a couple of questions

Also, wtf am I doing in there? My dunce smooth brain ain't a theory crafter!

You're the impostor! A plot-twist!

 

[tamuwu]

A personal theory I have now is that

Spoiler: Yapping

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[fasoaga]

I wonder if chapter 4 made Deskel just drop the game... He's still reacting to some posts, but not posting anything.

Deskel, the only Ayane hater that i like.

Im really curious about his opinion on 0.53 and the wishing well.

Another thing im really curious about is...
(contains spoiler for the movie "prestige")

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Why it happens? I don't know what it doesn't special for Ami because according to Himawari, cloning happens sometimes including Futaba.

But why Futaba? Is it only a visual exposition to show cloning exists. If not why Futaba? Our boring, passive, insecure, kind, girl-- who sometimes totally uncharacteristically crashes out. Which according to Himawari, an important thing.

Spoiler: Futaba

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But it was not the first crashout. It happened in the earlier chapters.

Spoiler: Futaba first crashout

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I think both Sekai's and Nodoka's writing carry some kind of an "infection" that causes distruption between the world and the character who reads it. I don't remember the exact chapter but when Ami reads hear poem to Sensei, he got into a blackout.

We know Nodoka gets crazy in her writing phase and can get outside the city, sekai was constantly writing in her last year (though they were bad according to Nodoka)

Since Selebus made some very important characters to be poets (Sekai, Ami, Akira) and always tries use some poem in very events, i expect we will get some lore information from future Ami updates.

 

[TBone9]

I just want to see her get dicked... i know she's not that kinda character but damn... time traveling daughter incest... HNNG...

Hey, even if she's too pure to actually do any dirty stuff with, there's no reason we can't have a good ol' shower mishap, or an accidental walk-in during self-love time, or who knows? Maybe she turns out to be into wholesome, innocent, skinny dipping?

 

[FireCazador]

The real question is who will Yumi be coming as? This is her year, it must be.

Yumi Yamaguchi as Yumi Yamaguchi

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Spoiler: Futaba first crashout

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I think both Sekai's and Nodoka's writing carry some kind of an "infection" that causes distruption between the world and the character who reads it. I don't remember the exact chapter but when Ami reads hear poem to Sensei, he got into a blackout.

We know Nodoka gets crazy in her writing phase and can get outside the city, sekai was constantly writing in her last year (though they were bad according to Nodoka)

Since Selebus made some very important characters to be poets (Sekai, Ami, Akira) and always tries use some poem in very events, i expect we will get some lore information from future Ami updates.

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I like the idea of writing being an infection here but I think it's more metaphorical rather than literal, in the sense that writing can change people's perspective or emotional state and spread naturally. Ami sort of talks about this when Niki asks her about her mother and she talks about how Sekai had a unique way of thinking and could sway with her words so easily.

I'm not disregarding the infection idea mind, I can see it, but I was pondering Futaba's crashouts myself earlier so I wanted a reason to think out loud lol

Deskel, the only Ayane hater that i like.

Hey, don't slander Deskel, he loves Ayane.

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[TheGoodPastor]

Yumi Yamaguchi as Yumi Yamaguchi

She's coming as my favourite character?

I just can't stop winning, praise Sel