Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.54.0] [Selebus]

[crustlord12]

Sure, but I don't think that applies to the Ami in Himawari's dream world. Resets don't happen there in the same way, and Himawari (both of them) act like she's completely normal there.

Doesn't the interaction with Sana imply there have been resets though?

I didnt say any of this.
Im not saying shes at fault for being broken, im saying she cant be fixed (with what we know at the moment).
In ALL potential futures we have seen she has failed to be present or change, in the world in which sekai lives, she murders nodoka for touching akira, did she go through trauma there too, in a perfect world where her perfect mother never died? Yeah i dont fucking think so.

She has persisted for thousands upon thousands of years (if maya prime is anything to go off) and has ALWAYS been psychopathic.

"Shes nice to himawari"
Yeah, of course she is. Thats what manipulators do, this is so on brand im not even sure where to start on explaining it, in the same conversation where himawari says ami is always nice, ami is literally shit talking HER MOTHER.
She NEEDS to treat himawari well cause its a gateway to getting back to akira and thats exactly what we are seeing. Ami doesnt LIKE himawari, ami is using her as a tool. She has gone from raping maya to being nice to her in the span of mere sentences. I forget the name of this abuse cycle but its very well documented in relationships. You hurt your partner then proceed to lovebomb them and it absolutely ruins peoples psyche. Its a well documented manipulation tactic by psychos and can lead to stockholme syndrome and severe dependency issues.

Ami fucking sucks, could she have a redemption arc? Maybe. Do i think its going to happen with what we know currently? No. But we are only halfway through the game so who knows, personally its looking like the only option is a self sacrifice so far. Would explain the angel ami fairly well in the happy event.

For the record, id like to point out that i said ami having a go at akira after the niki noriko incident was a w for her. She has been canning up her problems for the sake of a man who doesnt deserve it, its good that she could finally have a moment to reflect on how horrible he is, and how horrible she has been for once instead of bending over backwards for him.
But we need to see more of that reflection before anything changes.

Irregardless of her development. She cannot have akira in the end.
And currently, thats ground for murdering him.

Additionally, there will never be a way to slice akira leaving ami as anything but shitty. But lets be real, ami doesnt need akira, she needs centuries of therapy.

I agree with you that she's absolutely a classic manipulator but considering that we know this is a game, she's all but guaranteed to have a redemption arc and a positive ending. Whether she deserves it is up for argument but she's getting redeemed eventually, one way or another.

Spoiler: New Student

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I cannot wait for the H-scene. Step aside, Clown Yumi, crusty found a new best girl.

 

[Budoop]

I agree with you that she's absolutely a classic manipulator but considering that we know this is a game, she's all but guaranteed to have a redemption arc and a positive ending. Whether she deserves it is up for argument but she's getting redeemed eventually, one way or another.

Cool with me as long as its well written.
If i can warm up to Otoha im sure i could to Ami too with some development. But rn i wanna throw her into that hole IO found.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Ami doesnt LIKE himawari, ami is using her as a tool.

Hey, Hima is a blood relative, Ami probably likes her too much.

Maybe they could just figure out a way to reset Ami and start over fresh with her lol

 

[platinumgoose]

Many ways for Maya's wish to go wrong, but I have ideas.

First idea. What if Maya sees Ami, and wishes to share her place? Ami is happy to share, but is unhappy when Maya tries to take over, and be the only one. This is why when Maya cries about how she is being punished for falling in love, she is going against her wish. She wanted a world where she could share Sensei with Ami, but instead she is in love, and want to not share anymore.

Second idea I have. What if Maya wishes for a world with no death? This is why resets happen so many times, because people die and makes everything reset. People said before they think that Chinami dies for reset, but another reset happens right when Ami disappears, and dies. Mini reset happens in Bluejay. Something happens to break the wish, maybe the gods getting bored, which makes Makoto Dad die, and the school collapse, because world, and wish is breaking apart.

Third idea I have. Maya wishes for a world where Sensei is alive, but she blames herself for him dying. She is not allowed to fall in love with Sensei, because in her wish she cannot love Sensei, or he will die.

Sorry I am not as clever as other people here, but I have read everything here for a long time, and every time I am excited to read people's clever ideas. I like Deskel, Aramaug, and many others clever ideas a lot.

 

[crustlord12]

I like Deskel, Aramaug, and many others clever ideas a lot.

You dare leave out Bingoogus????????

 

[John E. Ringo]

You dare leave out Bingoogus????????

And Sugoognib?

 

[Bingoogus]

You dare leave out Bingoogus????????

No! It's good, this dude is smarter than you lot, he knows my true value!

And Sugoognib?

Is this Sugoognib in the room with us right now?

 

[Moonflare]

Is this Sugoognib in the room with us right now?

Spoiler

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also

Spoiler: sugoognib

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Edit: my only complaint is that dude's real name is almost as hard as Mxyzptlk

 

[shmurfer]

Sugoognib is a false prophet. Hail Bingogus, true rival to the cone hat.

 

[Bingoogus]

Sugoognib is a false prophet. Hail Bingogus, true rival to the cone hat.

Rival? It's my hat, i made it, i made all of them... they're for my fellow dunces... ain't no competition here, all dunces are welcome equally... you people all seem to be in need of some hats made from tin foil...

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Second idea I have. What if Maya wishes for a world with no death? This is why resets happen so many times, because people die and makes everything reset. People said before they think that Chinami dies for reset, but another reset happens right when Ami disappears, and dies. Mini reset happens in Bluejay. Something happens to break the wish, maybe the gods getting bored, which makes Makoto Dad die, and the school collapse, because world, and wish is breaking apart.

Third idea I have. Maya wishes for a world where Sensei is alive, but she blames herself for him dying. She is not allowed to fall in love with Sensei, because in her wish she cannot love Sensei, or he will die.

I think most likely Akira's happiness is an element of the wish so it's more a case of people he cares about not being able to die. Letting just Makoto's dad die when people have been unable to die subsequently doesn't make much sense/would be a bit too convenient.

I do like the notion that Maya's inability to get close to Akira is the result of her own wish, though. It's been talked a bit about how Maya herself could have started out as a more innocent wish that was corrupted by Akira's trauma so it's interesting to consider that she may have wished for his life and happiness but subconsciously excluded herself from the equation out of guilt and created her own worst nightmare.

 

[Moonflare]

Spoiler: they dreamt of the future

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[crustlord12]

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[LessonsInDissonance]

Spoiler: they dreamt of the future

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The pictures are too hot for me to take the text on them seriously

 

[DeanNoriko]

Hey guys, let's play a little game.


Everyone post what you would use your one wish on!

There's only two rules:
1. It must be Lessons in Love related, duh.
2. It must be in form of a picture. (bonus points for no text)

Spoiler: I'll start with what I would wish for

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[platinumgoose]

You dare leave out Bingoogus????????

I like to see his posts, and he makes me smile, but I meant that I was talking about people who post their ideas. Bingoogus is the funny one, who keeps people talking

I think most likely Akira's happiness is an element of the wish so it's more a case of people he cares about not being able to die. Letting just Makoto's dad die when people have been unable to die subsequently doesn't make much sense/would be a bit too convenient.

I do like the notion that Maya's inability to get close to Akira is the result of her own wish, though. It's been talked a bit about how Maya herself could have started out as a more innocent wish that was corrupted by Akira's trauma so it's interesting to consider that she may have wished for his life and happiness but subconsciously excluded herself from the equation out of guilt and created her own worst nightmare.

I do not know, and others who can understand better maybe understand more than me. I think something in the world is starting to break, which makes the other school a big hole. I think this is the same with Makoto's Dad. Himawari said that the gods wanted were getting tired of the world, so maybe this is why the wish, and the world is starting to fall apart with other details?

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Yasu Event Titles

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[Bingoogus]

Bingoogus is the funny one, who keeps people talking

I have never been more insulted in my life...

Hey guys, let's play a little game.
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Everyone post what you would use your one wish on!

There's only two rules:
1. It must be Lessons in Love related, duh.
2. It must be in form of a picture.(bonus points for no text)

Spoiler

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[Detective Dc345]

Hey guys, let's play a little game.
View attachment 5431866

Everyone post what you would use your one wish on!

There's only two rules:
1. It must be Lessons in Love related, duh.
2. It must be in form of a picture. (bonus points for no text)

Spoiler: I'll start with what I would wish for

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Spoiler: I'll protect her from her name being changed to Ami

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[TheGoodPastor]

I do not know, and others who can understand better maybe understand more than me. I think something in the world is starting to break, which makes the other school a big hole. I think this is the same with Makoto's Dad. Himawari said that the gods wanted were getting tired of the world, so maybe this is why the wish, and the world is starting to fall apart with other details?

Yeah I get what you're saying, and we know the world's starting to break - I'm sure the other school falling is a result of this too.

I just personally think Makoto's dad dying isn't part of that. Totally willing to accept that I could be wrong, I mostly just think it's too convenient that the one time death sticks because the world is breaking would be the one time it happens to someone who's completely inconsequential to Akira whilst the world works perfectly fine in fixing the many, many deaths behind the scenes subsequently.