VN - Ren'Py - Live to Fight [v0.7.2 Bugfix] [Grinder]

Sorry to say it, but this is just not a very good game. Like there isn't even a one single element that doesn't have problems.

Renders? Rather average, but the main problem is that characters sometimes have weird small spots of skin visible on their clothes, and it didn't happen just once or twice. Or there was a scene of MC playing games with his friend. They were levitating above a sofa instead of sitting on it... It was very visible, how did those renders even make it to the release? And this wasn't even the only case of spontaneous levitation I noticed. Oh, also can't forget some missing images here and there.

Minigames? Picking boxes is okay, but what am I supposed to do with the massage? It said to click something, but did not say what, and the only thing I could see was the timer.

Animations are rather basic, but honestly this is the only part I don't have anything bad to say about.

Through big part of the game every customer at the bar was named "Male Customer". Even if it was clearly visible that some were women. Or perhaps this is the biggest femboy town in existence, because I also remember MC referring to those "Male" Customers per 'boy'.

The plot itself is actually not the worst, but it has certain evident flaws, like why MC's father has so much trouble finding him if they are in the same city, or how in the world after just a few months of break all MC's physical capabilities regressed so much. I swear, person with muscle atophy would not lose as much strenght as MC here in that short amount of time.

But all those issues are nothing in comparision with dialogues. My god, those are atrocious. Redundant, short, repetitive and with finesse of a caveman hitting women in the head with his club, to drag them to his cave. The most "normal" conversation would be something like this:
-Hello, I want a beer.
-Okay, I will give you a beer.
(literally next render)
-Here, I brought you a beer.
-Thanks for the beer.
I GET IT, HE WANTED A BEER, I don't need the same information several times in a row. FFS, even when MC just says hello to somebody, the dialogue is flowing like 'hello, how are you', 'thank you, good' twice in a row, with just slightly different wording. And his compliments to women? Basicaly in every scene there is option to compliment, and the compliment is most basic repetitive thing imaginable "you are beautiful". And he just says it over and over again. That is not how you talk with women, that is a Creep Guide 101, with a restraining order approaching rapidly. I could just keep going and listing examples, but the truth is... The only way to make this a good game is scrapping the dialogues. Really, throw out all of it, and hire somebody who can actually write them. And then second somebody to proofread, because various spelling mistakes, wrong phrases and incorrectly used euphemisms are very common here.

The only saving grace is that I indeed se some improvements of the dialogues with time, but there is still much to fix here, and with the beginning so bad, even giving it 3 stars feels like a bit of stretch.

I go back and forth on this AVN. On the one hand, the dev produces regular updates and has provided us with a lot of content so you have to appreciate the hard work it has take to get that far. There are parts of this I love and there are parts I hate. I think the underlying story is pretty good but it's not great.

SPOILERS AHEAD

So... the not so good.

• The father not being able to find him is a bit silly. I mean the kid was just 20 when he left and he is obviously still in close proximity to his father.
• The renders are just okay. Some scenes are so dark you have no idea what is going on in them.
• The H scenes are passible but nothing exceptional. I mean all the LIs say it was the best sex they ever had but I hope that's not really the case.
• Finally, the writing is a mixed bag. There are a lot of "I'm going to head home" or "I'm really tired" lines that are just short. Some of the dialogue, especially between the MC and James is just stilted and short, simple sentences. Yet, some of the interactions with the LI's are fleshed out and much better.

On the good side, the scenes with Sarah, Mark's mother, are worth the price of admission. Really well done as she struggles with the situation and doesn't just fall on the MC cock. It makes it that much better when she does cross the line.

Also, the scenes with Lily and Jess are great too. There is some history there with Jess and if you want you can fan the flames again, but neither of them are willing to commit and their stuggle is really well done.

The other LIs... meh... Kate is a nothing burger, Emily is hot but she is not all that interesting and the other female fighter is so interesting I can't even remember her name. She is just a spoiled brat and I have zero interest in seeing her storyline.

So yeah, the story is okay, the LIs are pretty good, the sex is okay and the renders are okay. It's worth a download, but despite the efforts of the dev, I just can't give it more than an average rating of 3 stars.

Good luck to the developer.

This is a ok project. It has some hot scenes, ironically, the story early on had indications that Mrs. Johnson was just supposed to be a side character, but now her face is plastered on the very front of the project. The story itself ranges from bland to decent. Fights are okay, sex scenes as I mentioned, are either sexy or meh, depending on the characters.

Renders are okay to look at. The art seemed to have gotten better as of late, however. I would rate this a 3 out of 5.

Really fun game I loved the build up and overall story. Character models are good and realistic. Animations are simple but nice. Story is not finished, but give you quite a bit with one of the main characters arc pretty much completed. Motivations are clear and believable.

Animations: 4/5
Characters: 6/5
Gamepalay:4/5
Story: 6/5
Total: 5/5

If there was ever a VN that is the epitome of painfully mediocre it would be this.

So many rollback screens, mid writing, mid character models, unskippable minigames and no gallery. What is this? 2010? You would think something with the standards of this game would update much frequently as well given how out dated this type of VNs are these days.

Overall, Live to Fight is "okay"

There's a lot of promise there. There are a lot of interesting characters and scenarios, even if most of them don't feel very fleshed out yet

The major downer is the mini games, which, last I checked, cannot be skipped. I can understand that some people like such things. But many of us don't, and skipping them would make the game infinitely more appealing

The models aren't anything special, but they could be worse. Another major issue is the countless missing images which I doubt will ever get fixed

VERSION: 0.6.9
SUMMARY: Mediocre look, story and still not complete...
RATINGS: (out of 5):

1. Models: 3
2. Animations: 3
3. General Visuals: 3
4. Characters: 3
5. Story: 2
6. Writing: 2
7. Pacing: 3
8. Content (amount): 3
9. UI & Sounds: 2
10. Fetish & kinks: 2

Average: X of 50 possible points giving a X% rating i.e. X stars.

PROS:

1. Decent looking models...
2. Decent animations

CONS:

1. Dated and old game and generally visuals are low quality compared to today's content and newer VNs
2. MC is dull and uninteresting, seems to just plod along with nothing to do except bullshit and screw his way through life and somehow manages to do exactly that.
3. Story is just as dull and uninteresting and filled with bullshit as the MC.
4. Writing is OK and I say OK as in passable but not good in the slightest and this is only regarding the writing, not the story or characters.
5. Sounds are non-existent and music is dated and used a lot in old games which is kinda like watching a vintage porno...
6. Writing is not great either and conversations are again "dull and uninteresting" with really little to any depth to story or characters and the VN just goes from one scene to another driving some plot that the player really could care less about or find interesting.
7. Vanilla fetishes and kinks and pretty much boring on the sexual side of things.

FINAL THOUGHTS & SUGGESTIONS:

• I suggest the developer complete this game and either start again or maybe stop completely. This game was initially posted in 2018 and is still not complete. It does not have the quality, content, visuals, story or any reason to justify such long development IMO.
• I believe this game started off decent enough, for the time it was initially published, but has since not evolved or completed making it IMO a dinosaur of mediocre old content not worth the playtime and certainty not worth the support.

English:............5/10
User Interface:.....3/10
User Experience:....7/10
Art:................7/10
Dialogue:...........3/10
Story:..............2/10
Opinion:............5/10................
Avg:.............4.57/10 [2.29/5]

I think I've played this maybe twice before. According to autosaves, one back in March, and once way before maybe when this came out SIX YEARS AGO. Let that marinate, six years and not only is it not done, it hasn't gotten to the point. Its part of the MMA/boxing stories that are gaining popularity but it's ACTUALLY about mafia/big business being bad. I'd also like to point out this SIX year old game still has "stealing the wrong person" in the description of the dumb game. It may also not shock you that it uses completely default UI/UX. So no effort has been made to make this not look like shovelware. Which means no one, not even the creator cares about this shovelware. The only thing that's been learned is how to archive the files. Which doesn't even protect them it's for organization. I also assume that the 4GB size is uncompressed images, but we'll see. And if you notice, I haven't said a word about the story yet. Because, for the life of me, I can't remember a single thing about it. It uses the same male character model most of these games do, making him look like a smarmy, spoiled rich kid that has a fit when women won't sleep with him. It's all familiar places. And they feign the "slow burn" with the woman on the banner because...? I really don't know. She's a prize to be won?

This all starts with MC winning his last fight. He wants to study nondescript school things. Only to come home to the same angry/abusive father and sad mother thing you see almost 100% of the time now. I'm just glad this time it's not a trash incest story. And during the whole "being mad at dad" skit, the tentative English immediately dies. To the point you might as well read it all in a horrible russian accent. Then there's a 5 month time skip where nothing happens and you finally see MC use the money he stole from his dad. Why did there need to be a time skip if nothing happened? Nothing changed in that time and when you pass time it's supposed to emphasize how much has changed in X time. And then another time skip of no actual value gives says "In the present" What does that mean? Again nothing has changed, nothing happened, and it didn't matter. Then you meet Jess, "she's beautiful, funny, sexy, smart, and fucks like a nympho." Here is where the game should end. Let's be honest. MC already knows everything about her, she has all the qualities someone who never interacted with a human female wants in a girlfriend, and if I'm not mistaken she is most of the sexual content in the game. So why else are we here? She even says "I'm just a pussy to you" and he essentially says yeah, but she still falls for it. So she's not smart and her one "joke" wasn't funny. So two of the traits were a lie and two are arguably interchangeable so now she's only "sexy and fucks like a nympho" suddenly she's less appealing. Then we go to meet Mrs. Johnson. One of the 4 older female character models you see everywhere. She's nice, and pretty. She is the same character as the mother from earlier that MC has already forgotten about. She's the mother stand-in so there doesn't need to be incest filters. So, I lied, this is actually just incest trash. Everything every character has said so far is "MC you are great/handsome/funny how are you?" So it's repetitive as well. And MC has done nothing but lie. So the game is telling us everyone loves MC, except his dad, but, outside of giving his winnings to his trainer, he's a lazy womanizer that steals from his family and runs away. Great.

Anyway, MC visits Mark, and his mom with no discernable first name(much later revealed as Sarah), to try to get a job or go hunting? From a guy his mother said is only playing on his computer all day? But does neither of those things, loses track of time, and still helps some lady move into her house? Okay. Then because this is a porn game, porn logic happens, he gets a job and a blowjob. Then, while he's still strapped for time, in theory, he still stops at a store to meet Kat and get free stuff? Wow. Then spends the entire interaction with Jess coercing her into sex when she says none of it's a good idea. But when they talk about why MC needs money, that time skip where nothing happened? MCs dad found him. You know what we could have seen? That happen. It's not a shock that he was found out. It didn't reveal anything. Now instead of him being a broke loser, he's a broke loser in debt. Why was this a flashback? Then MC assaults her in her sleep, crawls back to the trainer to fight, and creeps on someone he just met in the shower at the "gym." Are we supposed to like this piece of crap? Cause we don't. Then the designated little sister-type announces that she's attracted to MC and he give a non-response about his relationship with Jess. Because, if you don't realize, he's a piece of shit. Then for a good while NOTHING happens. More of the same and training montages. Any chance they can they show Mark being as passive and wimpy as possible to make MC look so much stronger. And nothing CONTINUES to happen. Every conversation is bland and boring. Kat is just another fabled virgin woman that has never even looked at her own vagina before. MC massages his way into Mark's mom's pants. Jess is easy access to sex. And Kelly is the aggressive girl that MC "charms" his way into her heart. And by that we all know I mean they train and because he wins once they love each other. The only "new" thing that happens is Jess' coworker comes back and MC flirts with her too.

It's really hard to say anything about a game so boring leaning on CTRL gives you all the information you need. If you see a character they flirt, say nothing important, brush against each other's naughty bits, and maybe have sex. Occasionally, a scene will cutaway to MC's dad and he essentially says "I hate that kid" or some variation. And There are like 3 times MC gets into fights outside the ring to defend a womans honor. You don't care about these characters. The dialogue is the same slop you see all the time. The story isn't moving, because there's nothing to move. No one grows. The sex minorly improves but the videos take longer to load and cause hiccups for some reason. All to end on a shit sex scene that's just in and out. It's just kinda sad. I can't even get heated about this it's so boring. I have no opinion because it makes no impression. If somehow this is your favorite game, I suspect you've NEVER played a game of any kind before and have no access to TV somehow. Literally go do anything else and you'll be more entertained. The English is bad. The UI/UX is stock. The Art is okay at best, it gets clippy and textures get weird but it's fine. The dialogue and story are NOTHING. And I have no strong opinions about boiled ice soup. At the very least it won't make you angry.

The game started out very promising, with a very interesting story and characters, with plenty of animations and plenty of development/variant possibilities, but little by little, as the updates came, the game turned into a shit, updates every few months with very little content, barely developed story and with the promise (never fulfilled) of the adventure with Mrs. Johnson....Don't waste your time with this game.

Every girl is hot. The story is quite still intriguing. But man the progress is slow. The few scenes we got are not worth all the time we had to wait. One of the slowest progress I've seen. I've been following this game for a very long time and I feel like this should have been completed long ago for the content there is so far.

The game started well when it was released (long time ago) but sadly became a money milking machine. The game has no progress in the past YEARS. Poor lazy made renders. Poor everything basically. The game has fallen behind and there are so many games better than this one. Stay away.

It could probably be in the top ten of the worst games list on this F95.
Disgusting renders, updates with 5 minutes of gameplay and most importantly, there is still no progress with the most important LI of this shitty game, Mrs. Johnson.
Total waste of time

Whats with the update tho. 6 months and only 5 mins of playtime(not even 5 mins). Sorry i used to like this game but its time to drop it. It seems like its dragging with that kind of update system. I mean most games that take that long atleast give you an hour of playtime. And those who give short updatrs atleast does it in a month or two not half a year. That was a bummer fr.

Story is nothing you havent seen before but its alright and playable.
MC Steals some cash from hes father and has to pay em back by earning them in fights, thats pretty much it, he takes a small break for 6 months if i remember right and in that time he turns into a newbie fighter and takes him forever to learn stuff like high kick again, feels a bit weird.

Since its not a harem game i went with Kat only and i guess the fighter girl as well, so my playthrough had pretty much nothing, you get to kiss a million times but progress is very slow and you can barely call this an adult game.

It gets a bit annoying to listen to MC about how hot someone is when you have 0 intrest in the girl/woman, no matter how many times to pick no or dont help making it perfectly clear you dont want anything to do with her, game will still constantly flirt with the person, devs should learn no means no once you make the choice and not keep trying to force them on to MC.

At one point i went to marks house helped with some cleaning then went home just to go to marks house again? some choices you make can really make game act weird, and ofc mark is never home when you come since game keeps puching you towards the mother who i couldent care less about, and ive picked all choices to show 0 interest in her and yet MC keeps thinking "oh god what a beautiful ass" "its like calling to me" i mean gimme a break when a player shows 0 interest in someone in choices then stop pushing them on to the player.....its just stupid....and game dosent have a harem tag which make it even more pointless to keep pushing girls on MC.

Its dosent matter who MC looks at he just has a single braincell when it comes to woman and thinks like a 12 year old, dosent matter if they are young or old or the most ugly bitch, in MCs eye eveyone is the best looking woman in the world....you just get tierd of reading that stuff constantly.

Girls are Meh not really in my taste, they dont really look unique, funny enough some of the best ones ive seen in game has been like a waitress that you wont have any interaction with so yeah....and you only really have one choice in builds, big or bigger tits and i dont like big tits.

Game had alot of images missing like sol_s_xx with Kat, also missing some with Jess and in Gym so it seem to be an on going thing which is a bit annoying.
Game is 5 years old and still has errors early and doing the hole game its a bit disapointing really.

Working/helping at the bar is a bit weird, all the female customers are showing up as male customers in dialogs...

Also story lines dosent match up, like the milf you can help carrying boxes into her house, i did that and then i left her.
But game goes on like i fucked her, and for some reason you get a call about a job where you meet her husbon that ask how you meet hes wife, and MC thinks "i cant tell him that i fucked her" which is idiotic since i never thouch the bitch.....

I also tried not helping Andea with the boxes and she still calls you later about a job, and MC thinks "oh yes i forgot i gave you the number" well no shit he never gave her the number.....if you take this job it will force you to have sex with Andrea if you like it or not so keep that in mind.

Same when you take the job you will be forced to be with the wife Andrea even though you never fucked her before she comes up to you at work and give you a BJ and you have 0 choices in this either, its like game is trying to force some wierd dame on you, and it starts to feel like a kinetic story.

What makes it worse, the choices went to shit as well, after winning a fight you can fuck the ring girl or not, i dident want her what so ever since shes just a whore that fucks the fighters, then when you lose a fight you get 0 options to turn her down.....why on earth MC dosent go watch hes fighter partner in her match is stupid as fuck, instend he is forced to be with the whore? what happened to choices in this game.....that really destoryed the game for me.
Its also impossible to be a nice guy and help out girls since game will take that as you want to fuck em and ends out forceing that on you.

Animations are a bit below average compared to other games.

Most of the time game is silent, and when it does have music its like elevator music so yeah not good.

Also being a year 5 year old game, i dont really expect this to ever get finished its simply just way to slow and has very little content with some off the girls.

Short review:

Story 1/5
Its vanilla a bit boring and nothing you havent seen before, but what really hurts it is the broken story line where game goes on like you done something you havent which breaks the story.
And the constant pushing girls on MC is annoying just like MCs childish mindset.
Also not a fan of getting forced to be with someone in a game with choices.
And to many errors with missing pictures, starts early in game and keeps being an issue doing the hole game.

Girls 2/5
Not unique, build choice is big or bigger tits, not my thing so nothing for me in the game.

Animations 2/5
They are short boring and below average.

Music 1/5
Elevator music, not good and only just above a silent game.

Choices 1/5
To many choices dosent work, some even breaks the story since it plays on like you have done something or fucked someone even when never did.

Updates 1/5
Well its 5 years old so it goes without saying its just to slow and there is barely any content with some girls like Kat.

This is the story of a guy who creates every single problem he faces… because he is an dumbass.

I struggle to comprehend how stupid the story setup is: this kid wants to move out away from his father, and he knows he needs money for it — it's clear from the first 2 minutes of the game that this isn't a new issue he has — and yet the very first thing he does is win a lot of money from his work as a professional fighter, where he apparently is very successful, quit the sport entirely and then give all that money away even though he REALLY needs it... making it so he now needs to steal money from his gangster dad who will follow him to the ends of Earth to get payback. Never mind that "the ends of Earth" is at the same neighborhood all his life-long friends live. I know it may sound like I'm describing spoilers in this paragraph... but no, every single event described above happens in the first 5 minutes of the story, it was all part of the first release of the game.

I can't even imagine a more contrived plot where people act in idiotic and unnatural ways just to create the problem the story will then have to solve... and then proceed to spend the entirety of the game doing nothing towards solving it. I guess having an awkward attempt at romancing harassing his best friend's mother is just too important to try to save yours and your mother's life. Don't worry if in playing this game you forget that it was once the goal to rescue your mother from her abusive husband, your father; clearly the protagonist here forgot as well. Another example is how the protagonist quitting the sport for what is described like 6 months seems to cause him to forget every single concept about fighting, as he will be training like a first-time amateur later, and miserably losing spar matches against a beginner half his weight.

It’s also a game with average graphics, bland visual composition, boring characters, repetitive scenes that accomplish nothing to move the story forward… and probably its worst aspect: updates every six months at best, each taking no more than five minutes to see in their entirety.

This game is total joke, no content, nothing to say something good, just nothing, further it gets only worser and worser, terrible attitude to the project and players, no hope that something will change.

Despite some lapses I consider this game THE VERY BEST adult game.It isn't fair this game doesn't get enough recognition and credit.In the terms of interpersonal relationships, this game has no a worthy competitor.The evolution of seduction process between MC and Mrs.Johnson(and some other women in game), passion and chemistry is what I truly like.That burning desire, neck kissing, shifting moments of reason and moments of lust is epic.And chemistry between MC and Emma, between MC and Lilly is amazing.Of course we need a characters who are easy going and with whom we have a less deep relatioship(Jess, Kat, Andrea..).And the MC isn't some skinny-ass weak wretch with abnormal penis size like in most adult games.It is a real young shredded alpha male with big member.I just like it and this game is just a BINGO.I have a manner to put myself with MC's shoes, so I don't like incest bullshit.And that is one great plus for you in my book.I will personally make an effort to promote this game and of course support you on Patreon.Too bad it doesn't update often and we should make it change.Thank you.

was good game at beginning but this is just wrong in every way. starting a new game every time a new update then new is nothing but clicking error messages just to see what is being said. so sad the dev puts out something like this garbage

I'd give this game a 5/5. Despite some flaws to the game it's got a compelling story. Although im just here mostly gunning for Mrs. Johnson, she's a top tier MILF and is one of the most captivating characters here. And the downside is we still haven't had much progress with her. I'm not really too keen with the pseudo-GF whoever that redhead was. Honestly, i can't quite comprehend her character

I adore it, can't wait for the update, and would like to see more games like it from the developers. In the future, I can already see the perfect storyline. I just wish the update could be a little sooner, and I will support the developer. It seems worth it. having someone that actually cares about the storyline and the game rather than just putting out garbage and then abandoning them I have a lot of hope for this project, and I hope they succeed. I also want the renders to be worked on, maybe a little voiceover, and this would be the perfect game.