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VN - Ren'Py - Abandoned - Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

  1. 2.00 star(s)

    Skullivan

    Review as of v0.08.
    Game is considered abandoned.


    How Long To Beat: 5 hours

    Don't bother.

    I played this game because I was intrigued by the unusual look of the characters. Thin, tiny noses; big, wide lips; skinny faces; skinny arms and legs; various sized breasts. It's a hyper specific stylized look that stands out. I can't say that I like every character aesthetically in the game, but I was curious how they would animate.

    On a character aesthetic, I think the game passes. Carol is a sexy bodacious MILF, Amy's cute personification won me over to her design, Mira is sexy, and the other characters are various shades of acceptable to cute.

    Unfortunately the game is a structural mess and completely misses any opportunity for enjoyment.

    There is only penetrative sex with one character, Carol the redhead mom (who is attractive). The animations are okay. This is only accessible through one path through the game. Every other character is incomplete, to the point of having no scenes. Amy, the sister, gets a half dozen scenes. Everyone else is a tease.

    The story is poorly structured. It ultimately adds up to a bunch of side quests. In later episodes, the story focuses on characters secretly being supernatural immortal beings with super powers. It's a lame execution of an exhausted adult VN plot cliche. There really isn't a focus on the sexual hijinks one expects from a pornographic game. Some sexual moments, such as a character masturbating, are thrown in as if the developer realized his game was boring and tried to course correct without actually addressing the real issue.

    The game is full of self-referential self-deprecating humor from the designer. This never sits right with me as a gamer. If you joke that you suck as designing games, I'm going to start believing it's not a joke.

    There is no sound design.

    The map is fine.

    Many "quests" are poorly structured. There is a day/night cycle in the game, so many times I would perform the next task and then have to sleep multiple times to progress the day.

    I played through the game with the walkthrough mod. Even with descriptions on what outcomes I would get with my choices, I actually avoided most of the sexual content in the game, just because my choice reflected a path that didn't actually exist. I watched everything I missed in the gallery (which was 90% of the game's adult content).

    Unfortunately, this game is just bad.

    Don't Play It.
  2. 2.00 star(s)

    upbutte

    So with all of the good reviews, I thought I would give this a try. Mom looks good, sis looks good, here we go. No. It is a mess of a novel. The writing appears to be English as second language. There is really no action through to Chapter 3. Buggy as hell. By the time I got to some quest item where I had to find a hat, I deleted this. I can go find my wife's missing hat and get some action faster than I'll get it here.
  3. 5.00 star(s)

    anon280

    • story was constructed really good and was entertaining
    • multiple side stories that connect with each other
    • every brand in game being named after the dev is cheesy
    • above average renders
    • attractive array of girls with different body sizes
    • ugly dick on mc
    • no sound

    Played a long while back but just submitting a review for documentation of a good game that has a lot of content to enjoy if the story and teasing interests you
  4. 5.00 star(s)

    ImariKurumi

    Probably one of my favourites but sadly it got abandoned.

    The premise & setting is interesting.
    Story so far looks good. The romance/lewd portion is just hot.

    Models and renders are gorgeous. Really up my alley.
    Also it does offer a variety of kinks and the lewd scenes are beautifully done.

    Again, a realy shame this got abandoned, it had so much potential. Hope the dev recovers and picks up this VN again.
  5. 5.00 star(s)

    Ass Fan

    I almost never comment on games and I'm very selective about them, not just any I play and really enjoy, but this one is special.

    The characters and story are incredibly well done and very captivating. I'm at an impasse, I don't know whether to focus on incest or romance with Becky

    If it was any other game I would certainly not have this problem, but this relationship between the two is really cool. This game is certainly one of the best of all time, Anyway, I sincerely hope for all the love I have in Love and Submission

    "I hope that oh veqvil is well, and that he hasn't gone through anything bad in his life for him to have abandoned the game like that" But I don't know it must also be other family or personal problems that not all of us have but leaving that aside I hope much that he comes back. and for those who haven't played it yet I highly recommend it even if the game is not active but it's still a great game and it's not boring I play it every time to remember the good times I had playing it. This one definitely deserved more than five stars.:giggle:
  6. 2.00 star(s)

    MrHatIsHere

    The game is broken.

    I'm stuck on an issue that others have also encountered and I have seen described as such:

    "I am stuck. My quest log says that I should look at some movies, and I know that I should use laptop for it, but when I am trying to use laptop, MC says that the laptop is still updating, and he should talk to Amy. But Amy is in upstairs in the attic, and MC refuses to go to the attic, he says that he needs to take break, because his head hurts. But he doesn't want to sleep either."

    Apparently this can be resolved by going back to a much earlier save and going through the game in a very particular way to potentially avoid this bug at this instance.

    I'm going with the second option of not playing this game anymore, and simply avoiding this bug and similar ones I might encounter.
  7. 5.00 star(s)

    StephenClukis33

    The Developer is WAY too hard on themselves, they have done a great job fleshing out the characters & creating a engrossing story. Shame they have decided to abandon a promising game with original assets & a nice storyline
  8. 5.00 star(s)

    Frim der Wel

    Interesting story, good writing, game mechanics OK despite the mild sandbox elements, attractive and relatable characters. A shame that this game has been abandoned. (Most character lines are not finished; if I remember correctly there is relatively little (penetrative) sex)
  9. 2.00 star(s)

    Zane11

    Good story with a paranormal element to it, some hot ladies, but sadly very incomplete.

    It feels harsh to give this 2 stars, because if the dev ever comes back and finishes it, then it can easily warrant 4 stars. As it is, there's barely any sex scenes and that's a no-no in porn game.
  10. 5.00 star(s)

    RV715

    The game's awesome and I hope that the game continues cuz a game like this should be Award or something and the story is superb I would do anything just for this game to continue heck I would go to his patreon and donate a faqing fack ton of money
  11. 5.00 star(s)

    JokerSF

    This is by far one of of the best games, if not the best game, on this site. The story is something I can actually get behind rather than a typical overly fake porn story. The models are great. The women aren't all over sized tits and asses (not my thing.) I like real looking models. There's not that many sex scenes but the story is awesome and if the Dev decides to come back and finish it, it would take the top seat on the site. Look at how many pages there are on the forum for this game. I haven't found a game on the site that comes close. I really hope the Dev comes back to finish this.
  12. 5.00 star(s)

    Ive-11

    5/5 for all of them,
    story, those who really love incest, u will love this
    quality of the images, not bad imm in love with the model Mom this game
    cant says this game is good or bad for u
    but too bad its abandoned well at least ive give it try, and damn i was hoping get more update but it dosnt get
  13. 5.00 star(s)

    Jaango

    Such a good game but abandoned. Reminds you of vampire story, but they are not vampires but didn't said what they are actually augmentals or something like that. Story is good and good models. Yeah sandbox game but not that much grinding.Big plus for me is that this was slowburn. I love slowburn games. But when the game reached the good part and everything beacame intersting. There we go game ends there and sadly we won't get any updates :(.
    Really wish one day out of the blue dev come backs and finish what he started. Well I know it's never gonna happen it's just.a fool's wish.
  14. 5.00 star(s)

    Radu

    Good game to bad is abandoned the story is good got me hooked theres not much now and i don,t think will be but deam waist a of a good story has some animation man is good to bad again sach a waist of a good story
  15. 5.00 star(s)

    Rock H.

    This was one of my favorite games here. Instead of another guy living with his "landlady" , an elder "friend" and a younger innocent whiny "friend", this game managed to create backstory and plot that really felt like it was going somewhere. Having it abandoned feels like someone stole a great book when I was just getting into it.
    Having read some of the pretty nasty things people said about Veqvil, I can understand why we haven't seen him since, but he really had a gift for plot.
    I wish he had felt more comfortable asking for help and that people had cut him some slack.
  16. 2.00 star(s)

    Shiftlock

    i dont know but i think im staring to loose faith in him if he dosent want to continue he should maybe tell us an delete his page and erase all trases of his game im sorry but im staring to think like that. It was one of the first games i played so like i said before i he thinks he cant continue is better he say it right now beacuse its not fair to anyone
  17. 3.00 star(s)

    UselessSphinx

    This was my first VN on this site. Then it just disappeared. After 2 years I hoped that it would have been further along, and had more story lines done.
    PROS
    The models are great
    The story is interesting
    CONS
    The grammar is horrible
    Content is one direction
    Overall
    After 2 years I figured that the ex would have more story, or even the dads story. Both are just shelfed for some reason. The dads story should be going with the flow of what's already there. The choices seem to all lead to the prompt, " coming in future updates." It's really sad that this VN is lacking development. It has the potential to be really good. The adult part of this VN is pretty much nonexistent so far. Except for the few dream scenes. It brings a new meaning to slow burn. If this VN ever gets another update, I'll probably give it another try.
  18. 5.00 star(s)

    Saunt Casanova

    ***to the developer Veqvil: You have something really incredible here... if there is anything you need to get LaS back in development, please ask the community. You might be surprised at what you'll find people willing to contribute for a project they really love.***

    LaS might be the best game out there, and there really is a lot of content considering the version is 0.8

    If you have haven't tried this game yet, ***do not*** let the [ABANDONDED] tag scare you away.
  19. 5.00 star(s)

    Duncanidaho

    This is a fantastic game. Story is mysterious as we discover the characters past and try tol solve actual situations. Teasing is really good in this game hard to do in high quality level. Renders and girls are beautiful and choices are really influence what path you going through.
  20. 3.00 star(s)

    madasahatter

    VERSION: 0.08 (beta)

    In attempting to describe Love and Submission it's astonishing the extent to which the mind harkens toward its similarity with a more mainstream gaming franchise: Borderlands. Not regarding its graphics or gameplay, certainly, nor even mechanically but in terms of their cross-genre foundation. Where Borderlands is principally a shooter with minor RPG elements, Love and Submission is primarily a visual novel with light erotic elements... as opposed to an erotic visual novel.

    The disparity between narrative and erotica, roughly 98% and 2% respectively, serves to differentiate Love and Submission from the masses though only slightly to its credit. A story-driven experience can be among the most rewarding, allowing the player to become thoroughly invested in the characters and their relationships, yet that premise relies on articulate writing and therein the game falters.

    Typographical, grammatical and formatting errors are evident from the onset, as the introductory sequence prompts the player to furnish their "landlady" with a name.

    "You address her with"​

    The author is seemingly unaware that the preposition significantly alters the meaning. "With" implies a reaction, emotion or employment as in "You address her with respect/fear/disdain" whereas the proper preposition of "as" signifies a role or purpose, as in "You address her as madam/chief/mother."

    A minor issue, to be sure, yet reflective of the script as a whole: a barrage of miniscule flaws that erode the integrity of the experience, particularly in a game so reliant on its script. Take the following, by way of example...

    PUNCTUATION​
    "Well nothing beats experience huh?" as opposed to "Well, nothing beats experience, huh?"​
    "Quick inject the anesthetic!" as opposed to "Quick, inject the anesthetic!"​
    "Oh Steve?" as opposed to "Oh, Steve?"​

    GRAMMAR​
    "The more I look at you, the more you remind of your Dad..." as opposed to "The more I look at you, the more you remind me of your dad..."​
    "Can't believe how my hair used to look like." as opposed to "Can't believe how my hair used to look."​
    "I need to take a shower soon or I'm getting late to my appointment." as opposed to "I need to take a shower soon or I'll be late for my appointment."​
    "Did she drank those bottles all by herself?" as opposed to "Did she drink those all by herself?"​
    "I can't feel me legs..." as opposed to "I can't feel my legs..."​
    "Did you... just... took a picture of me?!" as opposed to "Did you... just... take a picture of me?!"​
    "...who teached you to fight like this?" as opposed to "...who taught you to fight like that?"​
    "I advice you to stay at home." as opposed to "I'd advise you to stay home."​

    SPELLING​
    "discorveries" as opposed to "discoveries"​
    "Davinci" as opposed to "da Vinci"​
    "movenight" as opposed to "movie night"​
    "investitgating" as opposed to "investigating"​
    PRONOUNS​
    "...that he/she is not able to recognize his own motives." as opposed to the gender-neutral "...that they are incapable of recognizing their own motives."​

    Bear in mind, these are but a few samples of the errors with which the script is rife. Frequently distracting lapses are also made into meta-commentary, from tutorials and notes concerning the development to outright author-inserts via every conceivable medium (Veqneyworld, VeqDonalds, Veqbucks, Voogle, Veqmart, etc). Even the quests aren't spared the brunt of the author's egocentrism, with notes such as "Time to get some breakfast, which fyi is not necessarily healthy." As the aforementioned contributes naught apart from informing the reader of the author's opinion, why is it included in an objective-driven note?

    This cavalier attitude is further exemplified by the transition screens; appearing frequently, particularly in the early chapters, they serve to funnel the player through what would otherwise be a void of interactivity with a black screen that states "Later."

    Except when it says "later..." in a significantly larger, bold font.

    Or "Later" in a small font bereft of emphasis.

    Unfortunately, the game is inconsistent even in that regard, failing to employ these time-skipping transitions when truly required. To elaborate, Love and Submission lacks a genuine time mechanic, the player can idle for literal hours without altering the in-game world even slightly yet any action may shift the time-of-day considerably. Attempt to clean some boxes in the morning, after having spoken with your mother, and the player will discover it's impossible; the task (shifting six boxes) will simply take too long. One may discover the electronics store was closed "earlier in the day" despite having accomplished nothing more than walking into a room and dropping a laptop. Fixing the light in the backyard, which the protagonist doesn't accomplish, demands an entire day.

    Why restrict player activities with a non-existent mechanic? Why anchor certain actions to arbitrary time limits?

    Effectively, the player is forced to repeatedly return to their room after achieving a single objective in order to sleep, followed by clicking through the same four lines of dialogue such that they can repeat the process of accomplishing one more objective. As the game nears its conclusion, day after day, click after tedious click, the experience is reduced to little more than this inane process.

    Faults such as these are a genuine shame given that Love and Submission might otherwise be redeemed by its narrative, featuring a cast of generally likeable characters and a relatively intriguing premise based around superhuman abilities, century-spanning conspiracies and a pinch of relationship drama. The graphical assets are of consistent quality and rendered in a manner that is aesthetically pleasing, free of artifacts and moderately detailed. Furthermore, although there are less than a handful of animations in the present version, each conveys movement in a fluid manner and with superb looping.

    That it takes an hour from the moment the first such animation is seen until the player is shown another and, at best, another hour thereafter before anything more titillating than a topless woman appears is liable to exhaust the viewer with a dearth of erotic content. By the midpoint the average player will have endured more time staring at the protagonist's limp genitalia in the shower than at the entirety of the female cast in any state of undress; there's something to be said for "understanding your audience" and, in that respect, Love and Submission offers very little to maintain the interest of its players.


    GRAPHICS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7 / 10
    + Assets are of consistent quality and composed with some artistry.
    + Renders are free of any overt artifacts. Lighting is consistent and creates an even tone.
    + Animations are fluid. Motion seems realistic and includes minor details that move beyond the focal point of the image.
    - Blur in certain scenes, ostensibly to simulate depth of field, can be overbearing and creates a myopic appearance.
    - UI is prone to employing low-quality assets and text that is inconsistently formatted.

    DIALOGUE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4 / 10
    + Decent characterization and easily understood motivations.
    - Typographical, grammatical and formatting errors are overwhelmingly abundant.
    - Meta-commentary and developer-related inserts shatter any semblance of immersion with their frequency.

    GAMEPLAY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 / 10
    + Environmental interaction is crisp, with shifting perspectives for various rooms depending on the player's point of entry.
    - Tasks demand too much in-game "time" to accomplish, lack verisimilitude and are unfulfilling.
    - Tedious progression due to content limitations and arduous process of navigating the home; no quick-access for specific rooms once inside the house.
    - Quests objectives are often vague and require the player to consult the log for more precise directions.

    INNOVATION -------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 / 10
    + Integrated changelog, accessible via the main menu, is a welcome addition for those interested in the development process.
    + Decent array of non-linear options and ability to refrain from pursuing certain relationships.


    SCORE ================================================= 20 / 40
    A PROMISING ENTRY FOR FANS OF A STORY, PERHAPS LESS SO FOR OTHERS
    It is, by any measure, too early to accurately determine the merits of playing Love and Submission, yet inasmuch as this version indicates the developer's intent it is fair to say that the focus is on the narrative. Players looking for simpler, more approachable or merely less exhausting methods of viewing erotica are best served by other games, though that may alter as the development progresses.


    CONSTRUCTIVE CRITIQUE: Consult with an editor or utilize any of the free editing-software available online; simple grammatical and spelling mistakes should neither be allowed to appear in such prevalence nor to so thoroughly devalue your work. Consider removing the arbitrary time limitations on activities, allowing players to accomplish multiple objectives in a single day and mitigating the tedium of repeatedly sleeping. Provided it does not deviate too far from your intended design, consider adding more erotic content and allowing the player to access it earlier. If nothing else, you could take a hint from similar games and include art (related to the characters or otherwise) accessible via the computer/phone, posters for the protagonist's bedroom or a "secret/bonus" room. Consider reducing the amount of references to yourself as they appear narcissistic when used to this extent. Also, a shovel is a tool comprised of a broad blade attached to a long handle, typically employed with both hands; a spade is an exceedingly similar tool, albeit one designed for digging rather than moving loose material; the item you task the player with locating in the garage is neither of these, it's a trowel.