VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Chaoticjustice]

The author is less explicit when it comes to fun parts of the character relationships.

Look at when Will shows up at the house, Lacey and MC are shown to be in super sync in terms of humor, same as Lacey and her pimp with the whore jokes.

I would like to think we kind of see Lacey with others being very serious, she doesn't smile much.
She smiled with other people only while getting covered with cum.

So yeah he is subtle in showing the non drama part of the relationship.

On another note, I went through the game a couple of times and I stopped thinking again about MC "revelation", when he tells himself that Lacey came back despite having tried it all, she still decided to come back to him.

So, while it is partially true, Lacey did come back to him there are quite a few caveats:

• Lacey grew tired of the "lifestyle", it was not a choice done to go back to him, she just got bored and tired of it.(this is stated plenty by the pimp)
• It is still all tied to the sexual stuff, the abandonment part is completely glossed over
• If not for Anna's call, despite what Lacey says after, she might not have came back

I had more in my mind but I can't write immediately when they come to mind so I lose them over time.

But the just of it is clear, it is a very very very silly realisation given the information we know, she didn't leave the lifestyle for MC, she left it because she got tired of it, so the whole "great realizatiob" kinda falls flat.

Ooooo Lacey very much sees the MC as her safety net / comfort blanket and that he is very much a safe bet for her , I would also go as far as saying that Lacey had it in her head that upon returning to the MC that he would just accept her college experience no questions asked and that it would all be fine ( now I'm not saying this in regards that she then thought that means she can do what she wants)

more along the lines of that she had the assumption that he would just accept any and all baggage/flaws and I'm sure she does care about him and love him in her way , but I no doubt her returning to the MC was more around how she would benefit rather than how the MC was feeling and the MC in general

Regarding sexual stuff and I'm sure if this has been covered before or not but at the end of the day given the amount of past partners she has had and the experiences she has had she is very much a sex addict and as much as she wants to leave that all behind she will get cravings at some stage I would imagine

Regarding Annas call if it hadnt of happened I genuinely don't believe she would of come back , I think as an outcome of the call she has seen it as her second chance so to speak and the MC was her out and she grabbed it with both hands and again this is purely to benefit her

 

[DeviantFun]

Ooooo Lacey very much sees the MC as her safety net / comfort blanket and that he is very much a safe bet for her , I would also go as far as saying that Lacey had it in her head that upon returning to the MC that he would just accept her college experience no questions asked and that it would all be fine ( now I'm not saying this in regards that she then thought that means she can do what she wants)

more along the lines of that she had the assumption that he would just accept any and all baggage/flaws and I'm sure she does care about him and love him in her way , but I no doubt her returning to the MC was more around how she would benefit rather than how the MC was feeling and the MC in general

Regarding sexual stuff and I'm sure if this has been covered before or not but at the end of the day given the amount of past partners she has had and the experiences she has had she is very much a sex addict and as much as she wants to leave that all behind she will get cravings at some stage I would imagine

Regarding Annas call if it hadnt of happened I genuinely don't believe she would of come back , I think as an outcome of the call she has seen it as her second chance so to speak and the MC was her out and she grabbed it with both hands and again this is purely to benefit her

I agree with you on most of your points but these two stand out to me as not entirely correct:

She wasn't sure she would be accepted by MC after her "transformation", this is why she kept her college life hidden.

And, this is the point I fight a lot about, while she likes sex quite a lot, she is not a sex addict.
In her senior year, plus some months, she struggled with K addiction (she should have struggled with alcohol addiction too, but it is treated like water in the game), but she never looked or was interested in sex.

The point in my post is that I hope the author doesn't mean MC realisation like a good moment, because it isn't or at least it isn't with what we know.
It just paints MC as making new excuses for Lacey's behaviour.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I agree with you on most of your points but these two stand out to me as not entirely correct:

She wasn't sure she would be accepted by MC after her "transformation", this is why she kept her college life hidden.

And, this is the point I fight a lot about, while she likes sex quite a lot, she is not a sex addict.
In her senior year, plus some months, she struggled with K addiction (she should have struggled with alcohol addiction too, but it is treated like water in the game), but she never looked or was interested in sex.

The point in my post is that I hope the author doesn't mean MC realisation like a good moment, because it isn't or at least it isn't with what we know.
It just paints MC as making new excuses for Lacey's behaviour.

So I would agree with the college life withholding to an extent i think it was more done to maintain the imagine of Lacey before she went to college being the primary and not wanting to hurt the MC's feelings or what ever as the secondary, but I would say she likely imagined that if he did find out that it would blow over fairly quickly

I would say she is a sex addict in some aspects during college not in the traditional aspect where she is constantly looking for it , but she did use it as treatment in regards to her abuse and being comfortable with sex , but I would also say it's worth mentioning that in regards to the acts in college from what I can recall we only have a rough figure of how many partners but we have no idea how many times she actually had sex as im sure there's was a fair few of those partners that where frequent visitors so far all we know she could of been banging ten guys a day ( yes I know this is an exaggeration but you get the point)

I think in regards to the MCs realisation and making his peace for me personally the only way I see it working is that he tolerates her past essentially and there is likely to be some anger and frustration regarding it in a minor way but it no longer consumes him / bothers him anywhere near as much , I just don't see it being that he completely accepts it and that's that and I definitely don't see him being happy that it all happened when it's all said and done

 

[Adhdclassic]

There is 2 questions that would be interesting that I don't know if mentioned in the game or even in the forum so I will throw them out there.

1. Would Lacey been the campus cumdumpster, ketamine addict if Mia didn't get involved.
2. Would Gristle have gotten over Laceys past if it was not constantly bought up.

 

[winterwolf200]

There is 2 questions that would be interesting that I don't know if mentioned in the game or even in the forum so I will throw them out there.

1. Would Lacey been the campus cumdumpster, ketamine addict if Mia didn't get involved.
2. Would Gristle have gotten over Laceys past if it was not constantly bought up.

1. That's probably why she went away in 1st place. I suspect that she's the one that dragged Mia into this game, not the other way around. It would explain why, after everything, she's still her best friend. It's not brought up ingame yet.
2.Perhaps. If certain circumstances hadn't brought her exes, both old and new, back into her life, he might have been able to drop it. But, someone stacked the deck against Gristle ...Barty, the new ex... hmmm.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

There is 2 questions that would be interesting that I don't know if mentioned in the game or even in the forum so I will throw them out there.

1. Would Lacey been the campus cumdumpster, ketamine addict if Mia didn't get involved.
2. Would Gristle have gotten over Laceys past if it was not constantly bought up.

1. It's hard to say as from what I remember before Mia gets involved she hadn't preformed any consensual sexual acts , I would say she still likely would of had sexual experiences without Mia but it would likely be a drop in the ocean in comparison and if I remember correctly she only gets on the k to try and deal with with the more extreme sexual acts / make it easier for her to deal with the sheer numbers so I'd say it's unlikely she would of got hooked on k if Mia wasn't in the picture

2. I don't know if I'd say he be completely over it but I would say that if it wasn't consistently mentioned I think the MC would be a lot further on in regards to making his peace/coming to terms with it as at the moment with the constant mentioning of it/ ex's showing up the MC is taking one step forward and then five steps back

 

[Adhdclassic]

1. That's probably why she went away in 1st place. I suspect that she's the one that dragged Mia into this game, not the other way around. It would explain why, after everything, she's still her best friend. It's not brought up ingame yet.
2.Perhaps. If certain circumstances hadn't brought her exes, both old and new, back into her life, he might have been able to drop it. But, someone stacked the deck against Gristle ...Barty, the new ex... hmmm.

Actually if I remember Mia actually was the who started it. I believe she said during the text and she chronicled everything.

Damn they should do a game called Chronicles of Lacey.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

1. Would Lacey been the campus cumdumpster, ketamine addict if Mia didn't get involved.

She was using ketamine before meeting Mia, and her objective was to disociate sex from the abuse, so at least some sex was expected by Lacey, to what extend and even if she would actually act on this sex expectations is debatable. What Mia did is take this and amp it to a hundred.

Even without Mia she would have ended as a drug user. Probably with some sex experience, but nothing that exagerated.

2. Would Gristle have gotten over Laceys past if it was not constantly bought up.

No. He would have bottled it up and ignored it, but its mentioned a lot. Definetly he would have not made peace with it and never will be happy about it, just one of those "it is what it is" kind of things. A resigned to accept it as is part of Lacey, no alternatives found.

 

[winterwolf200]

Actually if I remember Mia actually was the who started it. I believe she said during the text and she chronicled everything.

Damn they should do a game called Chronicles of Lacey.

Yea. The women around Lacey tend to say a lot of things. Mostly lies. And then they up and do whatever she wants. She's the queen bee.
Perhaps Mia really believes and feels guilty about what she did to Lacey. Or perhaps she's just lying to cover up for her, like she's doing most of the time.
Even during the King's Weekend, all the games and the questions with the uncomfortable answers about Lacey seem to me like they're planned, so Lacey can reveal things to the MC in the safest environment possible (And when Lacey snaps at her to stop, for probably taking it too far, she instantly complies like a good little drone). Amongst "his girls", relaxed and ready to take some punches to the gut. Much like Veronica did with her AllFans account reveal at the same event.
So, I believe that if it wasn't Mia, it would have been someone else. Lacey did what she wanted to do.

 

[winterwolf200]

She was using ketamine before meeting Mia, and her objective was to disociate sex from the abuse, so at least some sex was expected by Lacey, to what extend and even if she would actually act on this sex expectations is debatable. What Mia did is take this and amp it to a hundred.

Even without Mia she would have ended as a drug user. Probably with some sex experience, but nothing that exagerated.


No. He would have bottled it up and ignored it, but its mentioned a lot. Definetly he would have not made peace with it and never will be happy about it, just one of those "it is what it is" kind of things. A resigned to accept it as is part of Lacey, no alternatives found.

Well...Mia does state and shows in her 1st lesson with the MC that she's the one who taught Lacey to masturbate, and then she escalated. Perhaps that's true... Incidentally, the vibrator shown in the subsequent scene is purple like Mia's "Francis", the vibrator she says she talks to...

 

[DeviantFun]

There is 2 questions that would be interesting that I don't know if mentioned in the game or even in the forum so I will throw them out there.

1. Would Lacey been the campus cumdumpster, ketamine addict if Mia didn't get involved.

Aside from the usual delirious responses from people that have a hard time with comprehending what they are reading, here are the facts:

Lacey was a lone recluse drug and alcohol addict, with no friends or external contacts.
She thought that if she learned to live alone, she could go back to MC and be with him.

Over time she got increasingly desperate, seeing that she couldn't make any progress and actually devolved quite a bit.

The pimp is 100% to blame here, she abused a traumatized girl at her weakest point because she wanted to have fun and maybe get over her own trauma by abusing Lacey.

So, no, Lacey without the pimp would have come back as a broken addict, she failed so many suicide attempts that I think she would never be able to go through with it.

2. Would Gristle have gotten over Laceys past if it was not constantly bought up.

No, it is literally impossible to forgive, if we get any sort of forgiveness it would be the author essentially telling us that abuse is ok, and MC will be forever a victim and happy with it.

The past is complex because it is comprised by a few factors:
- the abandonment
- the depravity
- the loss of years of fun
- the destruction of self esteem
- the ghosting even during hard times

These are the 5 big ones, even without the sex part there would be a lot of effort in forgiving what has happened.
MC would need years to trust again a person that was so overtly cruel and selfish, THEN you have to add junior year, with all the implications.
Lacey was morally corrupt, willingly hurt MC and ruined their future together, this is something that would never leave your mind.
The only thing Lacey does right and can give to MC is sex, nothing else, but it is such a tainted topic that I am actually surprised MC is willing to go through with it.

 

[Dragonlight]

i think it was more done to maintain the imagine of Lacey before she went to college being the primary and not wanting to hurt the MC's feelings or what ever as the secondary

Thats basically the same things.

To me it seems like MC`s problem with her past is not that she banged 300 dudes. At least it`s not the primary. Primary thing is that she abandoned him, and given how much work he put in to them, chose to fuck random dudes instead of picking up the phone even once.


So she fucked couple of dudes or couple of hundreds is kinda secondary, compared to the original sin of abandonment. What MC cannot get past is the fear that Lacey will abandon him again. That`s why he always feel bad after snapping at her, and apologizes profoundly. Thats why he supports her in almost everything, and tries to avoid all conflict. That`s why he doesn`t want to be jealous all the time, because he thinks that a good husband should trust his wife and he wants to give it to her. I think he even afraid to fart too loud in the bathroom to not upset Lacey too much.

So for them to have some normality Lacey needs to work on earning trust NOW, and not try to compensate MC for her past. And the amount of her past partners is not the most critical issue.

There is 2 questions that would be interesting that I don't know if mentioned in the game or even in the forum so I will throw them out there.

1. Would Lacey been the campus cumdumpster, ketamine addict if Mia didn't get involved.
2. Would Gristle have gotten over Laceys past if it was not constantly bought up.

1. Addict yes. Cumdumpster - absolutely not. I mean how could she ? She was a loner and Mia was her first friend. No it`s all on Mia. On the other side maybe she would eventually be successful in her suicide attempts. Who can tell, maybe Mia saved and ruined her live at the same time ?

2. Main problem with Lacey`s past is that she abandoned him and prioritized sex with strangers and drugs over him. One cannot simply get over something like that, especially when Lacey reminds him of that be simply being Lacey.

 

[winterwolf200]

Aside from the usual delirious responses from people that have a hard time with comprehending what they are reading, here are the facts:

Lacey was a lone recluse drug and alcohol addict, with no friends or external contacts.
She thought that if she learned to live alone, she could go back to MC and be with him.

Over time she got increasingly desperate, seeing that she couldn't make any progress and actually devolved quite a bit.

The pimp is 100% to blame here, she abused a traumatized girl at her weakest point because she wanted to have fun and maybe get over her own trauma by abusing Lacey.

So, no, Lacey without the pimp would have come back as a broken addict, she failed so many suicide attempts that I think she would never be able to go through with it.



No, it is literally impossible to forgive, if we get any sort of forgiveness it would be the author essentially telling us that abuse is ok, and MC will be forever a victim and happy with it.

The past is complex because it is comprised by a few factors:
- the abandonment
- the depravity
- the loss of years of fun
- the destruction of self esteem
- the ghosting even during hard times

These are the 5 big ones, even without the sex part there would be a lot of effort in forgiving what has happened.
MC would need years to trust again a person that was so overtly cruel and selfish, THEN you have to add junior year, with all the implications.
Lacey was morally corrupt, willingly hurt MC and ruined their future together, this is something that would never leave your mind.
The only thing Lacey does right and can give to MC is sex, nothing else, but it is such a tainted topic that I am actually surprised MC is willing to go through with it.

I mean...when the MC pressed her about it, she admitted that she always had the option to come back or at least call, if things had gotten that bad.
So all her attempts to off herself might be a lie.
Or "the usual delirious responses from people that have a hard time with comprehending what they are reading". Could be that. Totally.
Edit: Also... If we agree that she's a narcissist or a phycho/sociopath or a manipulator, when do we suppose she learn that particular skill???? College, after college, or since childhood ?

"She thought that if she learned to live alone, she could go back to MC and be with him." - What??! You mean if she learned to dissociate sex from the abuse that she could be with him. It's that realization the thing that brought tears to her eyes while getting fucked by Isaac and photographed by Mia?
How would learning to live alone help when their problem was the fact that she saw her father's face whenever the MC started getting as intimate as a Prom night kiss??????
Lacey went there for SEX. I thought this was obvious.

 

[DeviantFun]

Thats basically the same things.

To me it seems like MC`s problem with her past is not that she banged 300 dudes. At least it`s not the primary. Primary thing is that she abandoned him, and given how much work he put in to them, chose to fuck random dudes instead of picking up the phone even once.


So she fucked couple of dudes or couple of hundreds is kinda secondary, compared to the original sin of abandonment. What MC cannot get past is the fear that Lacey will abandon him again. That`s why he always feel bad after snapping at her, and apologizes profoundly. Thats why he supports her in almost everything, and tries to avoid all conflict. That`s why he doesn`t want to be jealous all the time, because he thinks that a good husband should trust his wife and he wants to give it to her. I think he even afraid to fart too loud in the bathroom to not upset Lacey too much.

So for them to have some normality Lacey needs to work on earning trust NOW, and not try to compensate MC for her past. And the amount of her past partners is not the most critical issue.



1. Addict yes. Cumdumpster - absolutely not. I mean how could she ? She was a loner and Mia was her first friend. No it`s all on Mia. On the other side maybe she would eventually be successful in her suicide attempts. Who can tell, maybe Mia saved and ruined her live at the same time ?

2. Main problem with Lacey`s past is that she abandoned him and prioritized sex with strangers and drugs over him. One cannot simply get over something like that, especially when Lacey reminds him of that be simply being Lacey.

Awesome post, the only part I would slightly change is is that the high promiscuity does have some weight, the acts too, but overall you are right, it could have been only Stephen and Isaac for a prolonged time and the damage could be similar emotionally, the damages on their life would be quite less.

Also, Lacey needs to focus on the now for sure, but also needs to work on atoning, if you mean that she should be a perfect wife for MC as a way of atoning I could subscribe to it, but it will not be nearly enough in my view.
I might be fixed on accountability, but I atoned way more for much much much less.

 

[Dragonlight]

Awesome post, the only part I would slightly change is is that the high promiscuity does have some weight, the acts too, but overall you are right, it could have been only Stephen and Isaac for a prolonged time and the damage could be similar emotionally, the damages on their life would be quite less.

Also, Lacey needs to focus on the now for sure, but also needs to work on atoning, if you mean that she should be a perfect wife for MC as a way of atoning I could subscribe to it, but it will not be nearly enough in my view.
I might be fixed on accountability, but I atoned way more for much much much less.

Thanks. I agree that sheer volume of what she did adds fuel to the fire. But yeah it`s like adding more fuel to an already bright fire.

I don`t know how good of a wife she could be, given that her gut reaction is to deceive MC and change to revealing clothes while he is not looking for example, but I want to see her try.

To do that Lacey need to learn to trust too, and relinquish control. At the end of the day she too is afraid that MC will leave her so she tries to hide her current actions in addition to her past. She needs to stop lying and place trust in her husband, even if she is afraid that he will leave. Give him control of his life back, so if he stays he stays because he chose to, not because he was gaslighted to.

In short I too don`t think that simply "shut up and love your husband" is enough. But I do not know how exactly she should atone.

 

[Maviarab]

I can only explain this strange tendency by Anna's hidden motives or cosmic rays.
According to the genre's rules, she should sabotage the whore's attempts to succeed in every possible way.
As I already said, women are like spiders in a jar, they are rivals, and in the end, the strongest literally survives, the rest will be eaten.
perhaps Anna is our strongest spider.

HAhahaha I'm not sure if completely delusional, being obtuse for the sheer sake of it or utterly clueless.

So, in essance, what you are actually saying, is that it's ok to treat your best friend (who you are in love with) like that...as long as it's for the greater good? Right?

You know that's exactly what Lacey does....how she thinks....how she acts....right?

1. It's hard to say as from what I remember before Mia gets involved she hadn't preformed any consensual sexual acts , I would say she still likely would of had sexual experiences without Mia but it would likely be a drop in the ocean in comparison and if I remember correctly she only gets on the k to try and deal with with the more extreme sexual acts / make it easier for her to deal with the sheer numbers so I'd say it's unlikely she would of got hooked on k if Mia wasn't in the picture

2. I don't know if I'd say he be completely over it but I would say that if it wasn't consistently mentioned I think the MC would be a lot further on in regards to making his peace/coming to terms with it as at the moment with the constant mentioning of it/ ex's showing up the MC is taking one step forward and then five steps back

Thats basically the same things.

To me it seems like MC`s problem with her past is not that she banged 300 dudes. At least it`s not the primary. Primary thing is that she abandoned him, and given how much work he put in to them, chose to fuck random dudes instead of picking up the phone even once.


So she fucked couple of dudes or couple of hundreds is kinda secondary, compared to the original sin of abandonment. What MC cannot get past is the fear that Lacey will abandon him again. That`s why he always feel bad after snapping at her, and apologizes profoundly. Thats why he supports her in almost everything, and tries to avoid all conflict. That`s why he doesn`t want to be jealous all the time, because he thinks that a good husband should trust his wife and he wants to give it to her. I think he even afraid to fart too loud in the bathroom to not upset Lacey too much.

So for them to have some normality Lacey needs to work on earning trust NOW, and not try to compensate MC for her past. And the amount of her past partners is not the most critical issue.



1. Addict yes. Cumdumpster - absolutely not. I mean how could she ? She was a loner and Mia was her first friend. No it`s all on Mia. On the other side maybe she would eventually be successful in her suicide attempts. Who can tell, maybe Mia saved and ruined her live at the same time ?

2. Main problem with Lacey`s past is that she abandoned him and prioritized sex with strangers and drugs over him. One cannot simply get over something like that, especially when Lacey reminds him of that be simply being Lacey.

Great posts guys.

 

[DeviantFun]

Thanks. I agree that sheer volume of what she did adds fuel to the fire. But yeah it`s like adding more fuel to an already bright fire.

I don`t know how good of a wife she could be, given that her gut reaction is to deceive MC and change to revealing clothes while he is not looking for example, but I want to see her try.

To do that Lacey need to learn to trust too, and relinquish control. At the end of the day she too is afraid that MC will leave her so she tries to hide her current actions in addition to her past. She needs to stop lying and place trust in her husband, even if she is afraid that he will leave. Give him control of his life back, so if he stays he stays because he chose to, not because he was gaslighted to.

In short I too don`t think that simply "shut up and love your husband" is enough. But I do not know how exactly she should atone.

Well, the shut up and love your husband concept is a bit broader than just sitting there in a corner.

I interpret it as being there for him, support him, love him and do not do anything to cause further harm, so that he can feel loved and safe.

The issue of control is a big one for me here, I championed the concept months ago and I was particularly pissed when the author chose to make Lacey steal control from him again during the JD.

Doing so shown zero growth on both parts, but the issue of control is broader than this, it is on the whole lot of MC life.

Now, is MC a person who even want some control? He isn't written like it, he is written as a meek guy with no drive, he is literally a perfect submissive.

He does have 1 or 2 occasions in act 2 where he does show some actual strength and willingness to control, such as when he tells Lacey that they are not going on with the love experiment and he is making decisions for himself, but the rest of the time? He can't even bring himself to confront Jeanette about hanging out with the pimp or the pimp herself, let's not even mention Lacey because it is a lost cause.

How do you give control to someone so incompetent? As soon as he gains a bit of power or renown he is absolutely careless with it (Jeanette, bethany, Anna, veronica and Christine are examples), so he does bot show any sort of maturity or willingness to have control over his life, he's a floater.

And wheb I talk about msturity I don't do it in the same way MC does, as he often mentions maturity in act 2 without even knowing the concept.

I get it tho, being in control is hard, being competent is hard, making decisions is hard, so he goes with the easy option.

A nixely wrapped NTR character with dome mental breakdowns here snd there to make him less bland.

Imagine how much better the story would be if he were damaged like he is but tried his damn harvest to have control, to set boundaries and to grow, instead of tjinkibg that growing means not showing your inner turnoil.

How much better KW would have been if MC made requests, stopped games when they were not fun for hin, put the pimp in her place?

Ehhh one man can dream....

 

[MightbeSomeone]

One comment every one talking about lacey and the mc during college. Did the mc even one time go to or attempt to meet with lacey those 4 years? No he texted her. He could have gone and visited and perhaps stopped her from becoming what she did.

and I an still 100 percent in the camp that without Mia Lacey would not have done 90 percent of what she did with other men in college. Mia abused an at risk person and turned her into a whore.

what i however wish the game would allow is a path with strong mc that tells lacey no you cant live stream and no you cant meet others to pull her back from her distructive behaviors. This is the main issue I have the MC is not a strong presence in her life after college unlike when they were younger. He is allowing lacey to destroy them instead of being strong and stopping it

 

[MightbeSomeone]

Well, the shut up and love your husband concept is a bit broader than just sitting there in a corner.

I interpret it as being there for him, support him, love him and do not do anything to cause further harm, so that he can feel loved and safe.

The issue of control is a big one for me here, I championed the concept months ago and I was particularly pissed when the author chose to make Lacey steal control from him again during the JD.

Doing so shown zero growth on both parts, but the issue of control is broader than this, it is on the whole lot of MC life.

Now, is MC a person who even want some control? He isn't written like it, he is written as a meek guy with no drive, he is literally a perfect submissive.

He does have 1 or 2 occasions in act 2 where he does show some actual strength and willingness to control, such as when he tells Lacey that they are not going on with the love experiment and he is making decisions for himself, but the rest of the time? He can't even bring himself to confront Jeanette about hanging out with the pimp or the pimp herself, let's not even mention Lacey because it is a lost cause.

How do you give control to someone so incompetent? As soon as he gains a bit of power or renown he is absolutely careless with it (Jeanette, bethany, Anna, veronica and Christine are examples), so he does bot show any sort of maturity or willingness to have control over his life, he's a floater.

And wheb I talk about msturity I don't do it in the same way MC does, as he often mentions maturity in act 2 without even knowing the concept.

I get it tho, being in control is hard, being competent is hard, making decisions is hard, so he goes with the easy option.

A nixely wrapped NTR character with dome mental breakdowns here snd there to make him less bland.

Imagine how much better the story would be if he were damaged like he is but tried his damn harvest to have control, to set boundaries and to grow, instead of tjinkibg that growing means not showing your inner turnoil.

How much better KW would have been if MC made requests, stopped games when they were not fun for hin, put the pimp in her place?

Ehhh one man can dream....

Exactly my thoughts - easy to have a path where he does that. He rescues the girl loves from the clutches of the vile users she is with.
it would be a much better story.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

He could have gone and visited and perhaps stopped her from becoming what she did.

And go where? He didnt know where she was. She abandoned him after prom but i dont remember her telling him where she was going, just that she would go to another college. The only thing he could do was contact her by phone, and he tried that a lot.

This is the main issue I have the MC is not a strong presence in her life after college unlike when they were younger.

Thats the thing, he was damaged too as a child, but after been abandoned he is completely broken.