VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[funnythings3785]

Idea discussion:
I like your idea, at this point we are very into the realm of fiction about mental health, MC is still MC, but has an amnesia that cut off Lacey and his youth.

Tbh I would still have him remember Anna and Kelly for example, but everything related to Lacey is gone, Mia included (not sure why I am smiling thinking about it haha).

MC from this point on would still have some memory issues, but would be finally competent and able to work on his life, with a nagging feeling he was forgetting something important, maybe a flash of memory here and there to keep the suspense.

This is obviously all the the realm of hyperfiction, and would be less "gritty" but also MC and Lacey's current problems are in this realm, they are moving slowly towards a "lets see what we can cram in" scenario, compared to the more down to earth act 1 and 2.

Something has to change with the MC and the direction that has been shown isn't going to work.

This should be top priority for the professor now IMO. I respect he has is own idea of what he wants to tell in the story, but FFS, if the MC is trashed, I have zero care for the other characters. He is the pivot point, not Lacey. Lacey isn't the victim, she is the abuser and I am getting tired hearing about how she is getting better when I think about it.

At this point, she is no different than she was as a child. She is just using the MC in different ways and she is using him up completely while all the women support her because they are a bunch of narcists who want to get praised and poked.

Hell, even the men use him. Issac, Lorenzo, and I am sure the "Bella" scene is leading up to somehow the MC being begged to ram Jared in the ass, so I wonder when Barty, Will, Stephen are going to end up being buddies and the MC will have to take care of their problems as well, you know... to help Lacey heal!

Then Lacey can swoop in proclaim herself the victim that healed herself "Don't need no man! woman are strong and powerful" and end up being the hero who saves the MC by showing him he is a whiny little bitch who needs to suck it up!

 

[funnythings3785]

DeviantFun

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[riichidesu]

btw small question

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[drawmeacrumble]

Hey,
Literally my first comment ever. I usually never post anything but I find myself wanting to discuss the game so I'd like to address a few of your points because we actually see the game quite differently and that intrigues me. I'm sorry if I mess up the quotes and spoilers... first timer...
It's an awfully long post as well.

An answer to funnythings3785 analysis and my opinion and takes on the update. Of course read at your own discretion because it contains massive spoilers of Act 3. Word of advice tho... very long answer.

funnythings3785 you and i got very different takes on the update, ready? lets get to it.

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Kelly

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MC and Lacey

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[funnythings3785]

btw small question

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If you mean, Lorenzo, no... no points lost, just tested it. I ran the no-fun line, but I accepted most LIs and I ended up with 90 points when I was done. Again, no change after that.

 

[funnythings3785]

I have a feeling some serious L&J "quoting" discussions are coming up soon.

*grabs popcorn and sits down*

 

[Avaron1974]

The thing with the MC is he is broken and needs rebuilding. He can't rebuild with them because all of them are part of the problem in some way.

He needs to separate from Lacey, spend time in therapy and then travel the world for a couple of years and figure himself out.

Then and only then he can come back and see if there is anything left for him to build with Lacey or if it would be better to walk away for good.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

*grabs a hand full of funnythings popcorn*

 

[funnythings3785]

The thing with the MC is he is broken and needs rebuilding. He can't rebuild with them because all of them are part of the problem in some way.

He needs to separate from Lacey, spend time in therapy and then travel the world for a couple of years and figure himself out.

Then and only then he can come back and see if there is anything left for him to build with Lacey or if it would be better to walk away for good.

I don't think time away will work. He had time away before, his issue isn't that he is with Lacey IMO, it is he doesn't take agency when he is with her. He doesn't hold her accountable, he doesn't hit the meat of the issues with her (he touches on them, but they disappear all of a sudden or he simply accepts stupid excuses) and he allows her continued abuses to occur.

If he had any agency, much of what Lacey has done would not have happened. There would be no Daimen incident, no JD, etc... and if he had Agency, Lacey would have been put to ultimatums of serious note... "I don't want you to die, but if you seriously love me, you will communicate, be truthful, keep me informed... if you do not, I will walk, you will die, I will mourn you and move on"

I am sure there are numerous other issues other people could add to which he could have had agency to avoid situations or at the least, stood up for himself to marginalize their impact on both him and his wife, but... the story is written in favor of Lacey, to praise her as powerful (hero) while proclaiming her a victim.

Honestly, the more I think about it, it is trashy feminist style detachment writing. Maybe there is some... purpose, maybe there will be some "turn around" the professor has planned, but FFS, right now... it is like cheap fanfic self insert writing.

Don't get me wrong, I love many aspects of the story, I enjoy the passion the professor puts forth, but seriously, it is all over the place, no consistency, no real direction, no solid foundation to the "consistency" of the development. I can sympathize with what the professor may "intend", but to use his own story, he is telling it in much the same way Lacey acts in how she tries to solve the MCs problems... it isn't well planned or thought out to the consequences of the overall progression.

As I have said in the past, he needs to get one of those writing aide software tools and input his story and characters so he can track their progression and states. Then, if he has to, he can retcon, or... he can "weave" his story within those bounds. As it is now, his "bending" as DeviantFun mentioned, is wreaking havoc.


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just a quick point over all. I think the "MC" mental state is being used as an excuse here. I am the first offender here to accept it, to try and reason it as justification, but it doesn't work to the level it is being abused here. It went kind of crazy, overboard and it is being used as a default means to excuse all actions by the women.

The bill has to come due sometime for the ladies, seriously... it is needed and the MC needs to be the collector. Please professor, make this happen. You love Lacey, great... now show that love for the MC... remember you claim that he and her are two parts, treat it as such... now it is time to see him get his due, respectfully, as a MAN would, not a SIMP or feminist perceived man, a MAN. Be fair and just in this treatment otherwise it ends up just being another politically driven sham.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

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I told you and everyone in my rant from the other day. Must have passed over it without noticing. But im glad that i started a change in your oppinion, the direction the game took and the treatment of the characters in this update is incredibly detrimental for the game.

What else, oh yeah, remember that after Anna called about MC suicide she made her resolve to return to MC and be worthy of him? Oh well, but first, even with that resolve in mind, lets fuck Isaac one more time. He said please this time or something... Soooo, Damian wasnt the first "sexual incident", just the first MC knew of. And she totally lied again to the MC about being with others after the college call. She never slept with a stranger... oh well it was with Isaac, so not a stranger... I guess the whole "choice of words" we had as a joke its not a joke anymore.

 

[funnythings3785]

I told you and everyone in my rant from the other day. Must have passed over it without noticing. But im glad that i started a change in your oppinion, the direction the game took and the treatment of the characters in this update is incredibly detrimental for the game.

What else, oh yeah, remember that after Anna called about MC suicide she made her resolve to return to MC and be worthy of him? Oh well, but first, even with that resolve in mind, lets fuck Isaac one more time. He said please this time or something... Soooo, Damian wasnt the first "sexual incident", just the first MC knew of. And she totally lied again to the MC about being with others after the college call. She never slept with a stranger... oh well it was with Isaac, so not a stranger... I guess the whole "choice of words" we had as a joke its not a joke anymore.

I miss things, as you can tell (lol), but this one was hard for me. It ruined her character to me. Everything else, I could reason away, find some means to say "well... the circumstances... the issues... etc...", but this... "no, I really hate her" (Tombstone reference).

She is lost to me and barring some major retcon, or "realization" in future acts, I am rooting against her. I hope she offs herself like the fucking tramp she is. Yes, I realize... this may have been "oversight", but FFS, something tells me this wasn't a simple oversight.

 

[Saphfire]

Hey,
Literally my first comment ever. I usually never post anything but I find myself wanting to discuss the game so I'd like to address a few of your points because we actually see the game quite differently and that intrigues me. I'm sorry if I mess up the quotes and spoilers... first timer...
It's an awfully long post as well.




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I agree to most of it, and like to add that the

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is not given the weight it deserves.
The therapist listed every possible reason for being mc like he is, and it explains way more than a PTSD does.

 

[funnythings3785]

I have another question... or thought... It likely has already been brought up, but...

The phone call... where she is talking to the MC... she goes "hurp", then hangs up shortly after...

Was she having sex at the time? I am beginning to think she was...

In fact, based on the current understanding, I think she was getting railed when the call came, decided to take it, (maybe Mia thought it would be a fun humiliation of the MC) and then she gave him a story while she was getting hammered, thought "hey, I can have him again!", the sex was getting too heavy, probably because someone stuffed their dick in her mouth and she hung up.

Well... we don't know the exact timeline, but she may have already been off K, and was just "enjoying" herself, you know... coming to the realization and all she loves being a whore... then the MC calls, and she thinks, sure... that too... finish school, try to "get respectable" and well.. ok Isaac, I will let you plow me one more time, before I head to my cuck.. I mean "love".

 

[DeviantFun]

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My theory and the only thing that could even make this thing half salvageable (it is not) is that Lacey needed a red bra moment, it is still complete bull and again puts another dent in her character, which at this point even I have trouble defending.

The issue is that MC has zero reaction to it, we are already expected to see MC forgive her for having a blast jumping on cocks while he is about to off himself, now we have to accept that Mc will forgive her for fucking even after the love confession

btw small question

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The problem with the prof atm, is that he fetishized Lacey fuck ups, not understanding (this is a complete assumption) that this only ruins her image of her for some cheap drama.
Some of the things that he make her do are inconsistent, and are there for the sake of it, so more shock value can be brought.

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There are several ways to do things narratively, and it cannot always resort to "corrupting friend" -> "torture MC for no reason" -> "oh wait but the friend actually had good intentions" (reminds you of any specific L&J moments?).
You want MC to have an epiphany? maybe do not write a carbon copy of a previous act and instead focus on reflection, instrospection and mental health.

Do you realize how much poignant and hard hitting would the day would have been if the night after the anniversary dinner MC had nightmares all night and left? Wallowing in his despair? A PTSD episode? With finally the others having to show that they care a lick for him instead of the trite, rehashed and frankly over the top stuff we got?

You need to drink a jug of copium and inject a severe dose of suspension of disbelief if you accept that a TOTAL STRANGER would be ok in showing such behaviour, the situation is grotesque and surreal.
Abby is nobody to these people, she saw them for a couple of hours, they accept to be roofied, they accept to steal 8k of MC money, Mia accepts to do bets (on a trip where she got invited and paid for) ON HER BEST FRIEND ANNIVERSARY.

I am sorry but at some point you need to realize that your writing is going off the rails and pull it back.

The whole Vegas arc is badly written, from start to finish, and we have yet another unlikeable and severely disgusting character running around and treated as a friend (Mia2), heck MC apologizes to HER.

This has several consequences: Lacey cheated on MC again, Jeanette is now unlikeable and Mia...well she is Mia, the character was ruined since act 1.

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Lacey is always concerned that MC will cheat and leave her, she expressed concern also when he was about to get the nude massage.
Funnily enough, to the attentive reader who remembers the day before, that scene looks ridicolous, she is not remorseful in the slightest, she is having fun with her friends in the pool with her husband doing stuff that he is forced to do because he has the agency and force of will of a fallen leaf.

The problem with this day is that we already had it, we already had the transactional do ut des with JD and KW, and guess what KW was? you got it! A failed day (to which Lacey promised to make up for but....) where MC choses nothing and goes along with everything without making a single choice (aside whom to sleep with, but even that is forced by Lacey).

It is just derivative of what we have already seen and frankly, again, needs to be reeled in to actually feel relatable and believable again, Mc gets roofied (all fine and dandy folks! it is a completely socially acceptable behaviour), sent to a stage to dance naked against his will (have you ever seen someone take off normal clothes on stage? they look ridicolous), has to spend time with a sex worker he doesn't want to spend time with and has to take a massage which he did not want to take.

I am wondering why do you think it would be out of character for Mc to do some extracurriculars, he has been doing them since act 1.

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And...you think that he stripping naked in front of some women (and putting his job/reputation at risk) is...empowering?
There are several way to show this and MC has not been receptive to any until now, how many women desire him at home? How many close friends actually want him? But sure a bunch of drunk strangers will surely boost his confidence!

If I was any of his LIs I would find it depressing and offensive.

Honestly it was a tragedy of a scene, notwithstanding the fact that as a drug virgin the effects can be extremely scary when in unfamiliar places at the center of attention (also Ex does not work like that AT ALL).

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No it would not been out of character for him to be angry at Abby, MC helps and has a soft spot for people in need, Abby doesn't need anything he did her little experiment for fun and for her book, which is even more of an insult.

If Isaac was not broken, MC would have sent him packing, like he already did.

If Christine was not being deceived and was remorseful, he was ready to eat her alive.

MC knows full well how to stand up for himself against strangers and people that put his relationship in jeopardy, I suggest you go back and check both act 1 and 2.

What we are reading now is an exaggeration of his behaviour so that we could have the "epyphany" you mentioned AND add another character that can take the role of Mia since Mia is a failed concept and any more pushing would really send her to the deep end (which she already is anyway even if you don't add the stuff that happens in act 3).

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There has to be a limit, this time it was completely trespassed.
And I am the first that ask for suspension of disbelief in AVNs.

Jeanette

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No, their behaviour does not fall on Abby, as per Lacey declaration they all realized what was happening, it falls on them.
This was an obvious attempt to make the roofing less unhinged, but it then falls flat on our 3 characters that are put in a position of being disliked heavily.

None of them made any attempt to recover the money by giving the items back, none of them made an attempt to try and make it up to MC, what they do at most is compliment his outfit.
Ex do not make you act like that, quite the opposite in fact, but even if we exercise an extreme amount of suspension of disbelief, after the fact, when everyone is sober, there is no remorse, no regret and no considerable apology.

The cheating was glaring, there is no opinion on it, you bringing up Lacey separation of sex and love is pointless since she actually knows that she cheated with Bastion so she knows that sex acts or even semisexual stuff is cheating.
Jeanette did not cheat because she was not in a relationship, Lacey did because she is, and frankly reading that it is not makes me wonder the moral fiber of Jeanette.

Jeanette is simply not Jeanette anymore, wouldn't you agree that she would spend time trying to make it up to MC? Or at least being VERY embarassed about the whole thing? She was more embarassed when she was caught naked than when she acted like this for a whole day? Please.

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Agreed, her behaviour this act was definitely not ok, and honestly I miss the social anxiety Kelly that had a true connection with MC.

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There are degrees on how you should write such things, MC went from being broken and with PTSD episodes to being a complete nutjob, it is a forced exaggeration that makes him even less relatable.

I mentioned it before, ramp up his current symptoms, do not add another 15 in the mix, like a good dish you need only so many flavours, not the whole spice rack.

What can be argued with is that differently than act 2 he is not regarded as victim anymore, but as someone that is hurting others when he tried to work through his feelings, a very weird change of direction.

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Lacey has literally only those 2 moments where she shows growth, she has shown more growth in 2 conversations in act 2 than the whole act 3.
She made a lot of steps backwards this act, and by all the new discoveries, she is less likeable than before, I always rooted and sort of defended her actions, after act 3 it is very difficult to do so.

She blames MC for her college days, she blames MC for her behaviour and ultimately doesn't show remorse or regret in several important moments.

And hey, my fellow posters call me the Lacey's simp around here...

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I have been to therapy, the therapist is really just not doing it for me.
Deleting of the video might show that MC trusts Lacey, sure, but it also shows that he is still spineless and is not willing to face the hard truth.

He and Lacey should have watched it together and get closure, that is how you fix things, not by hiding stuff under the rug (which incidentally is what the author is telling us is killing MC).

And can we please stop with the brain damage insurance card? Trauma can be a reason but it is not a justification.
Accountability is the path of healing, always, people that get to therapy and come out saying "ah I act like this because I have X, good luck everyone else" will never heal nor make progress, it is not how it works (but keeps therapists pockets full).

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She doesn't hate it, she hates herself, and in phase 1 and 2 she didn't hate it.
In fact now that I think of it one line of dialogue in the KW and a couple in act one go exactly in the opposite direction, a bit dubious about act 2 because there is still some mystery over something that was promised to be clarified but has been forgotten for now.

She is not drunk and high for 4 years, only 3 and we do not know exactly when she started the alcohol (first) and K (second) abuse.

Phase 3 is all about self destruction and self hate, true.

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Like any other person alive which had problems in their youth, by trying to be better and accepting what the people that care about you tell you.

Gullible and naive? Are you sure? Lacey is a complete metronome, from extremely wise and emotionally intelligent when convenient to dumb as a rock and uncaring the second.

I can accept shades, I can accept character growth but she is the most inconsistent character of all probably, even without bringing in the photograpic memory that then becomes a complete black hole, depending on what the scene needs.

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Before act 3 I would have agreed with you, there are too many things in act 3 that do not click, and Vegas puts her in the dumps.

You are again blaming MC.

Lacey fucks up? Eh Mc needs to learn.

Lacey cheats on MC? Eh Mc needs to trust.

You just said that Mc is a broken man in need of help, you surely do not show much empathy towards him.

Lacey has not made many good decisions since act 1, and failed to build trust in MC, it is on HER not on HIM.
Heck MC mental state is very much a result of present events, much like the past ones.

MC is a victim.

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She gave Lorenzo a lot of relationship and emotional advice, which is absolutely weird considering her situation and behaviour

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Lacey said literally 2 white lies in this novel, one to Jamie and one to MC, the rest of the lies are quite black.
Sparing him more suffering is a nice excuse that I hope gets blown up soon, Lacey is terrified to hurt him, yes, but because she knows full well she is walking on thin ice.

It might not shock you because you are used to lies, this is something personal, but lying is not the greatest way to build trust.

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Except act 1 makes very clear what the problem was and act 2 builds upon the emotional aspect of her narcissism.
Act 3 bulldozes everything down.

Half of act 1 can be thrown out, I always fought on this board and on the discord with folks saying that every single word in the novel is a lie, so now I have to say that they were right because of this retcon.

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Again, it is MC fault that she flirts outrageously with people, right.

I guess we all forgot that the day after she cheated on Mc in act 1 she was at the bar flirting with other men, and Mc was not particurlarly happy about it, yet she did it anyway.

Or maybe we need a refresher on the great lesson Dianne gave Lacey about the jealousy date kiss.

Stop blaming MC to cover up bad behaviour, when she is flirting she is NOT super high yet, and when you get a heavy scare like being caught flirting with your husband present the high comes down fast (not completely).
In fact they are all so "super high" to the point where they can all have a pretty articulated conversation.

Addict for almost 15 years (clean now), you make bad decisions, but you are always in control, you just choose to go for the easy dopamine hit.
And yet it is NOT an excuse.

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None of the decision of Lacey is particularly baffling, she acts selfishly wihout caring about Mc since act 1.
Trauma/drugs or whatever other excuse we want to throw in the cauldron can be a reason, but not a justification.

In act 2 Lacey started to keep herself accountable, this part is almost completely gone.

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So all the very sound and very logical relationship advice she gave Lorenzo is also to be thrown out? Her logic is either warped or extremely sound, I doubt anyone can reconcile both.
And how do you know that the threesome was completely Lacey's idea? In fact the idea is from Lorenzo:

LO "Before you go, I need to ask you a really big favor."
L "I don't feel like I need to give you any more favors."
LO "I know."
LO "I just... will you at least hear me out?"
L "(sigh) Alright, let's hear it."

You should select and accept the ntrs and yet she cheats in Vegas, is fondled at the pool (which at some point we could all accept at not particularly good, especially since she touched first) and she touches a stripper to the point that she is called out... I am unsure whether we read the same AVN or we paid the same attention to the dialogues.

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This is absolutely true she is in therapy for a short time, in fact many criticized that her being so good in act 2 was too quick.

I do not get frustrated at the same mistakes, I get frustrated at the same writing and the same events dressed up as something different.
I am sorry but Vegas really does spoil the act, which has other issues as well, but it could be okish if Vegas was just not there.

Just one question, as an addict that has a problem with drugs, and knowing your husband as you do, wouldn't you immediately ask him what is going on?
Aside from the fact that ex does not make you act like that at all, in fact probably Lacey would be all snuggled up on MC (she notices every single person around her but not Mc btw, forced drama to the extreme), but would you really think that it would be ok? And I say it with that experience under my belt.
Maybe considering that Lacey is (if we have to believe what is written) probably under medication? Alcohol and ex do not mix (I did it a ton, so I sound like an hypocrite, but it does have a high chance of fucking you up) medication and ex should not even be in the same room.

Ok she doesn't make the best decisions ever, but this is a very big one.

It is not about agreeing or not with the premise, it is about trying to have some consistent writing and getting some quality back.

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And don't worry, my tone is always very direct, I would gladly read your opinion further

 

[Doomly]

My biggest issue with the whole vegas writing as far as lacey and the MC are concerned are

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[Saphfire]

The whole Assumption of mc having PTSD pisses me seriously off!

It has been mentioned exactly three times in act 1:

1) M "Dude, I understand. You probably have PTSD because of your childhood with Lacey."

2) C "Are you having PTSD again?"

3) L "The doorbell?" "I think there's a little lingering PTSD."

and once in act 2:

A "We think he has PTSD from well, everything."

Not even once in act 3, but somehow some people are convinced he is suffering from it?

M = Mia
C = Cristine
L = Lacey
A = Anna

Which one of them is the therapist?

And when an actual therapist explains the symptoms of codependency, it´s completely neglected or ignored.

Here are the symptoms she listed: You know, the actual therapist...

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[DeviantFun]

The whole Assumption of mc having PTSD pisses me seriously off!

It has been mentioned exactly three times in act 1:

1) M "Dude, I understand. You probably have PTSD because of your childhood with Lacey."

2) C "Are you having PTSD again?"

3) L "The doorbell?" "I think there's a little lingering PTSD."

and once in act 2:

A "We think he has PTSD from well, everything."

Not even once in act 3, but somehow some people are convinced he is suffering from it?

M = Mia
C = Cristine
L = Lacey
A = Anna

Which one of them is the therapist?

And when an actual therapist explains the symptoms of codependency, it´s completely neglected or ignored.

Here are the symptoms she listed: You know, the actual therapist...

S "The term I'd like to discuss is co-dependency."
S "Co-dependency, especially in children, or in adults who became co-dependent as a child can lead to the following."
S "Depression."
S "Low self-esteem. Always feeling like you are never enough. Always needing validation from others."
S "Without that validation, you can begin to mentally spiral and it's common to create unhealthy scenarios in your head."
S "Fear of abandonment. It can be almost overwhelming how afraid you are of being abandoned or rejected."
S "Taking on adult roles at a young age, especially taking on the mantle of caregiver."
S "Becoming overly concerned about other people's emotions. To where your own sense of self suffers or becomes completely lost."
S "Hypervigilance. Always worried how your actions or the environment can be a potential threat to the person you take care of."
S "Self-blame. Always taking responsibility for the other person's problems and feeling overwhelming guilt for things that aren't your fault."
S "Emotional exhaustion. Feelings of extreme mental tiredness."
S "Weak boundaries. You have trouble saying no to the person you feel responsible for."
S "This often leads to the other person crossing your boundaries which leads to hurt feelings and resentment."

no one is ignoring it, again please use spoilers, especially when dropping a full on dialogue portion from an unreleased game.

If you look at MC symptoms they change quite a bit from the previous acts to now, if you have experience with PTSD or have any interest on reading you will see that the descriptions fits quite well with what we get in the novel.

The symptoms of co dependency, if you remember well we wrote here at length about it being the case with MC, also fit several other traumas, abandonement trauma for example but hypervigilancy is common in many childhood traumas.

So it is not a matter of what the characters say, it is a matter of looking at what is happening in the novel and put the pieces of the puzzle together, we just upped the ante with completely new symptoms now.

Also, the therapist diagnoses him in literally less than 1 hour, this is unheard of, and a therapist would never drop a diagnosis, even if theoretical during the first session.

It takes quite a long time and in many cases you do not even talk about what your particular issue is in medical terms, but you face what is hurting your life and find coping mechanisms and ways to improve.

So lets put a brake on "the actual therapist" and lets accept that Al.d idea was juicy and got integrated

 

[Saphfire]

Oh dear.... my dear friend DF, did she really diagnosed him? Or did she just ask a series of questions?
Oh, and no PTSD describes not his behaviour as deeply as cd does. I know comrades who suffered from PTSD, two of them took their own life, being a soldier for almost a decade and spend a great deal in Somalia and later Yugoslavia i saw enough to "earn" a PTSD.
but i somehow didn´t.

 

[DeviantFun]

Oh dear.... my dear friend DF, did she really diagnosed him? Or did she just ask a series of questions?

She does, since she tells him how to deal with it.

she starts with
S "My goodness. There is so much deprogramming we're going to have to do."
S "It is definitely far too early to talk about a diagnosis at this point."
(you think a therapist would tell you something like this?)

But then goes on, in less than 1 hour, with almost a full diagnosis.

S "There are some concerning signs I'm seeing."
S "There's definitely more to your mental health, than the possibility of co-dependency."
S "I want you to try and pay very close attention to your emotional state."
S "Check in with yourself often."
S "Do you have friends or family you can talk to?"
S "Someone perhaps other than your wife?"
MC "Yeah, I have friends who are good listeners."
S "That's wonderful. That makes me feel much better."
S "Please check in with them often."
S "I mean it. Multiple times a day."
MC "Do you think something bad will happen?"
S "I think you're masking a lot of your problems."
S "I think you've gotten very good at it over the years."
S "My concern is with mental and emotional exhaustion."
S "I'm worried the coping skills you've relied on all this time, might not be up to the task."
S "And that under bad enough circumstances it could lead to a dissociative mental break."
S "A dissociative mental break, at its worst, could mean a disconnection from reality, thoughts, memories, and identity."
S "I'm not saying these are going to happen to you."
S "I'm telling you what my concerns are."
S "And the best tool you have in your arsenal is people you can connect with and talk to."
MC "I'll do that. I'll check in."
S "Good."
S "Our time is up, but I'll be looking forward to seeing you tomorrow."

She knows almost everything about him, even his coping skills ot if he has any.

Not only that, when you go in with suicidal tendencies, you work on that first, as an emergency case.

But as I said, the co dependency was brought up in this thread months before this update.

 

[Saphfire]

I did perform a quick search, it has been brought up exactly in one post in June, guess by who?
I guess i will keep my distance for some time from this thread. I´ll come back when act 3 is public sometime.