VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Diosvincenccio]

I've just had a thought if taking all that ketamine affected her decision making and knowing what's right and what's wrong and so on and so forth

When she gets that call to prompts her to leave Issac and come home to the MC - just how did she make/come to that decision like how would she of known that was the right thing to do at that time as surely that would of already been in place at this stage , and we know it wouldn't of been Mia that pushed her to go to the MC as she hated him at that stage

So the more that I think about it when she was running around and doing all her stupid shit in act 1 the "brain damage" appears to be a very convenient way to fuck around and not find out as she can just blame on the brain damage

Edit: also with the "brain damage" given everything that has happened as an outcome of it , I would of expected her relapses to be higher than three now that I think about it

Lacey is fully aware of what is right and what is wrong, she just dosent have self restraint and always chooses what feels good for her first. Drugs, all the sex in college, pleasing Mia, etc... All things that made her feel good now, consecuencies be damned later.

But there are consecuencies, she has become a horrible person by her own decisions, she is ashamed of that an tries to hide her bad choices, and when discovered tries to shift blame to the brain damage or other persons, to avoid responsability. Take everything relate to brain damage whith a grain of salt. It may not even exist at all or the brain damage is just her name for her own inability to selfrestrain.

Take the breaking the rules on the Damian thing as an example. She knew that it was bad did it because it felt good for her, to make MC suffer and become more jealouse. Consecuencies later, MC get destroyed emotionally, and of course she shift blame, oh i wasent myself, it was the drugs.

She may be trying to change now for good reasons, but she has hurt herself and MC so many times for her own decision, for hidding things out of shame, and for avoiding responsability. That dosent dissapear and gets forgiven in a moment.

 

[AL.d]

The MC bad mostly for himself, I agree, he needs help, he is not equipped to deal with the stuff he is going through, add the PTSD and you're fried, PTSD needs medication, period.
He gives himself freely even to his worst enemies if they need help (Christine, Isaac are examples).
But when it comes from himself he is just self destructive.

I don't have a problem with him saying that he cares for other people, such as Anna.
The problem I have is how fucking creepy and gross he is in his flirting with other people such as Beth and Jeanette.
With Jeanette it started reallly tame and he kept it professional, to the point of deceiving himself that their dinner was professional only.

Unlike you I don't condone Lacey, she wanted to try and stand on her own two feet, same as MC she should have professional help.
She only made the situation worse and everyone has paid the consequences, suicide wasn't on the table at first.
Ketamine was a wonder drug for her, it actually works against depression, in clinical treatments you get a few mg in IV, she tought she found a solution.
She found a crutch (cit.) that embarassed her and made her even worse.

I understand why she did what she did, but condoning? no, especially because she dragged many people down with her.
Does that make her an evil bitch that needs to be killed on sight? absolutely not, I feel bad for her, mainly for her struggle to try and get back on the horse and mend things that she pulverized.
She really wants that, she has a lot of regret, but neither of these things will help her.

About the monster part I agree, I feel it was unneccessary to the story, there was already a lot to dive in, many things to face, such as the new discoveries about her time in college.

So I kinda agree with you.



Most of the women rotating around MC are not introduced by Lacey, only Mia and Veronica.
I am not sure we can call all these women unstable.

She meets the other women first to be sure they are not a threat, second to see if her plan could go though, like with Jeanette.

MC thinks often about pseudo dates on his own, Jeanette, Mia and Anna are examples.
Throw Bethany and Jamie in too.

To the point where Lacey didn't even know he was going and latches on to make her usual "threat check".

It is very well explained on why she does this, she wants to "control" the situation so that she knows they would not hurt MC and possibly put themselves between him and her.



As usual you are very right, we know her reasons, we understand, not justify.
People are digging to find dirt when most of the dirt is already piled on behind them.
Looking for stuff without trying to understand the character fully.
And I don't think understanding her will automatically mean that you will like her, your feelings might stay the same, but at least for the right reasons.


Now an important question:
How many correct answers did you all have in the truth or lie game? I managed only 10/11 (fuck you Veronica).
Does anybody notice something weird about Veronica in the game by the pool?

But I didn't mean she introduces them. I meant she approaches them to control the situation so none of them can form an organic relationship with him. And can only hope for scraps through her "love experiments" (even that rebranding shows how manipulative she is). This way she controls their interactions with MC and can also present that as a "gift" to him. One that he never asked for.

She knows MC is ultimately a monogamous person. So redirecting any women she meets to just possible sexual partners in sharing play, she closes that route. She practically admits it to Kelly, although ironically by approaching her like that, she inducts her in the group.

The game even lets us know the other women are aware of it and it's the reason they formed another group behind her back. Do you think Anne would be staying silent about Mia's plan if she thought what they have with Lacey is a healthy close friendship? A plan to enable a drug addict to relapse? It's not, there is something twisted in the bond they have formed with her.

It's extremely controlling behavior, you kinda reached that conclusion yourself. The goal is to make sure he never learns how an actually healthy relationship with another woman feels like.

 

[DeviantFun]

Lacey is fully aware of what is right and what is wrong, she just dosent have self restraint and always chooses what feels good for her first. Drugs, all the sex in college, pleasing Mia, etc... All things that made her feel good now, consecuencies be damned later.

But there are consecuencies, she has become a horrible person by her own decisions, she is ashamed of that an tries to hide her bad choices, and when discovered tries to shift blame to the brain damage, to avoid responsability. Take everything relate to brain damage whith a grain of salt.

Take the breaking the rules on the Damian thing as an example. She knew that it was bad did it because it felt good for her, to make MC suffer and become more jealouse. Consecuencies later, MC get drestoyed emotionally, and of course she shift blame, oh i wasent myself, it was the drugs.

She may be trying to change now for good reasons, but she has hurt herself and MC so many times for her own decision, for hidding things out of shame, and for avoiding responsability. That dosent dissapear and gets forgiven in a moment.

Damn I was in full agreement with you until you edited the part of Damian in.

She didn't do that to make MC suffer, but exactly because she wasn't even thinking about the consequence, it felt good NOW, which is more important than anything that comes later.
In that moment she wanted MC to "learn her lesson", it didn't only backfire, but the relationship should have ended there.
Lacey often dreamed about MC being in the crowd during her gangbangs btw, take that info and do what you want with it hahaha.

But for all the rest you are on point 100%.

But I didn't mean she introduces them. I meant she approaches them to control the situation so none of them can form an organic relationship with him. And can only hope for scraps through her "love experiments" (even that rebranding shows how manipulative she is). This way she controls their interactions with MC and can also present that as a "gift" to him. One that he never asked for.

She knows MC is ultimately a monogamous person. So redirecting any women she meets to just possible sexual partners in sharing play, she closes that route. She practically admits it to Kelly, although ironically by approaching her like that, she inducts her in the group.

The game even lets us know the other women are aware of it and it's the reason they formed another group behind her back. Do you think Anne would be staying silent about Mia's plan if she thought what they have with Lacey is a healthy close friendship? A plan to enable a drug addict to relapse? It's not, there is something twisted in the bond they have formed with her.

It's extremely controlling behavior, you kinda reached that conclusion yourself. The goal is to make sure he never learns how an actually healthy relationship with another woman feels like.

Yes that wasn't only my conclusion, but the conclusion of Lacey .
You know, exactly when she admits about the gift part.

I see what you mean now, I would only correct you when you say that MC is monogamous, I wouldn't be so sure.
Also Love Experiments is a rebrand MC asks.

Also the group formed partially for what you say, it is mainly to talk freely without having to pussyfoot about their feelings because Lacey is there, plus Kelly has been completely pulled in by Mia.

But aside from some minor imprecisions, we are in full agreement on why and how Lacey is conducting herself.

 

[Maviarab]

I said it before, the paths in act 2 suck ass, especially the no_fun one.
That is probably what you are looking for, I don't know how many good guy points you will need, but it was heavily hinted that this should be possible.
Lacey will not like it, I don't even want to get into the argument, if you played all the choices you would agree, there are also clear indications in some act 2 dialogues, but MC should be able to force and manipulate her into what you're suggesting.
I wanted to see this version of MC.

Those were probably the weakest moments from MC, I mean I understand you're a sith lord and all, but like many others fail to be empathic towards a victim or to understand obsessive love (which both Lacey and MC have).
There was a chain of abuse here Parents abused Lacey, Lacey abused MC.
She turned his "True compassion" into a twisted version full of servilism and self sacrifice.

As redoubt27 said, you have to give some rope to Lacey when she was a kid, she was on full survival mode.
But after? When she had all the chances to be free?

There is one thing that is more of a creeping realization than anything else.
The more we go on the more we discover that Lacey wasn't always so desperate during junior year, she might have been like that SOMETIMES, but Junior year was actually fun: Carnivals, raves, weekends with her BFs, doing silly and fun sex things not only the "omg they sucked and it hurt" stuff..

It is not only about being first, sure that is a component, it is the concept that the woman you love will never be yours truly, it is just your turn and you were last in line, not only physically but emotionally too.
But also, that the woman you love is not the woman you love but someone else wearing her face, using her voice but she's not her.
Living with the constant reminder that you were not enough then and you probably are not enough now.
A constant reminder that she could leave you again.
Granted, the last two points are not true, but this is how an abused and abandoned victim might feel.

There is much more to say here, and I don't like MC, I don't like passive men, I don't like people wallowing.
I've seen street kids prostituting themselves in areas destroyed by war, if they came to the shelter not smelling like dogshit it meant that someone gave them a bath before fucking them but the kids would still go on, would still play.
So my tolerance for weak ass attitude like MC's is LOW.

Yet if you have any compassion or empathy you cannot discard his feelings entirely with a "get over it man".
What MC went through is bad, more than many of us are willing to admit or accept.



I agree with most of what you're saying, but what I've said above kinda clashes with your depiction of MC.
You are now blaming MC, another victim of the situation, asking a prebubescent boy to act like a grown man with everything figured out.
He was a kid and did what a kid could.

"Making her his own project" is a VERY hot take, he lived for her and, if you didn't see it in the game, she made it thanks to him.
She latched and used every drop of his compassion and devotion towards her until there was nothing left of the kid that could have been.
And he willingly gave it all, because he had to help her in any way he could, no matter the consequences to himself.

This is the man that NOW is helping the person he hates the most because he sees him suffering, while swallowing his hate.

Edit: besides, an easy realization is how even Lacey knows how her path was fucked up and how every choice she made barred her from a normal life, normal and happy life that she had at the tip of her fingers.
That everything she went through was completely unneccessary, the harm she exposed herself to was useless and harming for her and for the man she loves.
All the while the man she loved was on the brink, deprived of every ounce of self worth, she took that away.
This is heavy, for both of them.

Edit2: not all her college flings were pieces of shit, Stephen and Lorenzo for example wanted to have a real relationship with her and were oblivious to the drug use.
The rest of the people that fucked her at parties where she was fucked up beyond recognition? scum. (including Isaac)

If you pay a bit more attention, he is not surrounded by the girls who eventually fall for him on accident. His sweet wife has a knack for identifying other unstable women and making sure they orbit her and by proxy MC. Every time MC meets someone new on his own, Lacey makes sure she meets them too to have a talk. And after that they become members of the circle. Haven't you noticed he almost never thinks of going on those pseudo-dates on his own? She always reminds him and pushes him towards them. Like she has a schedule.

A victim becoming abuser is the most common story. The cycle of abuse. They aren't mutually exclusive. Lacey is almost certainly written as a vulnerable-type narcissist with a good dose of machiavelianism.

We have been analysing and criticising Lacey for some time now.

Don’t get me wrong, everything she did is appalling.
i just think that we are over-analysing or sometimes looking for malicious intent when there is none.
They were both young, damaged and desperate. And that can lead to dumb, impulsive and self-sabotaging decisions.

Meaning to say, that i can understand, why Lacey wanted and needed to try independence, but definitely don’t agree with how she abandoned Mc without notice or discussion, and downright disgusted with her decisions following that

The MC bad mostly for himself, I agree, he needs help, he is not equipped to deal with the stuff he is going through, add the PTSD and you're fried, PTSD needs medication, period.
He gives himself freely even to his worst enemies if they need help (Christine, Isaac are examples).
But when it comes from himself he is just self destructive.

I don't have a problem with him saying that he cares for other people, such as Anna.
The problem I have is how fucking creepy and gross he is in his flirting with other people such as Beth and Jeanette.
With Jeanette it started reallly tame and he kept it professional, to the point of deceiving himself that their dinner was professional only.

Unlike you I don't condone Lacey, she wanted to try and stand on her own two feet, same as MC she should have professional help.
She only made the situation worse and everyone has paid the consequences, suicide wasn't on the table at first.
Ketamine was a wonder drug for her, it actually works against depression, in clinical treatments you get a few mg in IV, she tought she found a solution.
She found a crutch (cit.) that embarassed her and made her even worse.

I understand why she did what she did, but condoning? no, especially because she dragged many people down with her.
Does that make her an evil bitch that needs to be killed on sight? absolutely not, I feel bad for her, mainly for her struggle to try and get back on the horse and mend things that she pulverized.
She really wants that, she has a lot of regret, but neither of these things will help her.

About the monster part I agree, I feel it was unneccessary to the story, there was already a lot to dive in, many things to face, such as the new discoveries about her time in college.

So I kinda agree with you.



Most of the women rotating around MC are not introduced by Lacey, only Mia and Veronica.
I am not sure we can call all these women unstable.

She meets the other women first to be sure they are not a threat, second to see if her plan could go though, like with Jeanette.

MC thinks often about pseudo dates on his own, Jeanette, Mia and Anna are examples.
Throw Bethany and Jamie in too.

To the point where Lacey didn't even know he was going and latches on to make her usual "threat check".

It is very well explained on why she does this, she wants to "control" the situation so that she knows they would not hurt MC and possibly put themselves between him and her.



As usual you are very right, we know her reasons, we understand, not justify.
People are digging to find dirt when most of the dirt is already piled on behind them.
Looking for stuff without trying to understand the character fully.
And I don't think understanding her will automatically mean that you will like her, your feelings might stay the same, but at least for the right reasons.


Now an important question:
How many correct answers did you all have in the truth or lie game? I managed only 10/11 (fuck you Veronica).
Does anybody notice something weird about Veronica in the game by the pool?

You are both right and wrong.

So the brain damage is overstated, also the memory loss is totally overstated.

The memory is actually almost all bullshit, yes it might be a bit jumbled but how can she remember EVERYTING then? up to sharing a toothbrush? Every name of her slut dresses? Every cock with nicknames and sometimes names attached?
The truth is in the middle, she doesn't want to remember, it is hard to make a decent timeline in her head but she remembers the events.
Hell Mia remembers LESS than her and she didn't use drugs.
This is honestly something that pisses me off in the writing.

But the brain damage does have an impact on cognitive functions, she is fogged up and looks for gratification, this leads to several issues.
Look at the work stuff with Jared, she is trying to get self worth and trying to give back something to MC (which doesn't need any of that), she is chasing the gratification of being able to give back to MC AND improve her own self worth.
Not a good choice and she knew it, esle she wouldn't have snuck around, but the promises of gratification and the compliments about her work made sense in her head.

This is where all her friends suck, even where MC sucks, they should have put their foot down with her.
But here's the thing, MC knows Lacey very well, in one of the first messages with Mia he states: only Lacey control Lacey.
That is true all around, any sort of control she gives away is on her accord (this is why the college events with Mia are even worse).

The reason Lacey comes back are several:
- She always wanted to come back
- At some point she realized she cound't come back because she let herself become an awful human being
- She discovers that pain helps in combination with Anna calling
- She hears for the first time that MC needed her and this is very important to her (at that point she didn't realize how much he damaged him, she doesn't realize almost for most of act 1)

Edit to answer your edit: she has several relapses during senior year, a few more before getting married and then 3 while married

Short answer, she is even more dependent on MC than ketamine, obviously in unhealthy ways.

And yes, she had more than three relapses, she “only” had three since they were married or moved in together

Lacey is fully aware of what is right and what is wrong, she just dosent have self restraint and always chooses what feels good for her first. Drugs, all the sex in college, pleasing Mia, etc... All things that made her feel good now, consecuencies be damned later.

But there are consecuencies, she has become a horrible person by her own decisions, she is ashamed of that an tries to hide her bad choices, and when discovered tries to shift blame to the brain damage or other persons, to avoid responsability. Take everything relate to brain damage whith a grain of salt. It may not even exist at all or the brain damage is just her name for her own inability to selfrestrain.

Take the breaking the rules on the Damian thing as an example. She knew that it was bad did it because it felt good for her, to make MC suffer and become more jealouse. Consecuencies later, MC get destroyed emotionally, and of course she shift blame, oh i wasent myself, it was the drugs.

She may be trying to change now for good reasons, but she has hurt herself and MC so many times for her own decision, for hidding things out of shame, and for avoiding responsability. That dosent dissapear and gets forgiven in a moment.

But I didn't mean she introduces them. I meant she approaches them to control the situation so none of them can form an organic relationship with him. And can only hope for scraps through her "love experiments" (even that rebranding shows how manipulative she is). This way she controls their interactions with MC and can also present that as a "gift" to him. One that he never asked for.

She knows MC is ultimately a monogamous person. So redirecting any women she meets to just possible sexual partners in sharing play, she closes that route. She practically admits it to Kelly, although ironically by approaching her like that, she inducts her in the group.

The game even lets us know the other women are aware of it and it's the reason they formed another group behind her back. Do you think Anne would be staying silent about Mia's plan if she thought what they have with Lacey is a healthy close friendship? A plan to enable a drug addict to relapse? It's not, there is something twisted in the bond they have formed with her.

It's extremely controlling behavior, you kinda reached that conclusion yourself. The goal is to make sure he never learns how an actually healthy relationship with another woman feels like.

Out of reactions and not replying fully as it's all ground that has already been covered.

Just gonna say some great posts and points

 

[rick.hunter99]

I have read a lot of VN's on this site, but this is probably hands down the best one out there. Be warned there are several scenes that are very powerful. I'm looking forward to when they put in some longer and better moving images or even videos.

 

[Maviarab]

I have read a lot of VN's on this site, but this is probably hands down the best one out there. Be warned there are several scenes that are very powerful. I'm looking forward to when they put in some longer and better moving images or even videos.

Lol..who are you actually warning?

I doubt very much he will add animations if he not already.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

She didn't do that to make MC suffer, but exactly because she wasn't even thinking about the consequence, it felt good NOW, which is more important than anything that comes later.
In that moment she wanted MC to "learn her lesson", it didn't only backfire, but the relationship should have ended there.
Lacey often dreamed about MC being in the crowd during her gangbangs btw, take that info and do what you want with it hahaha.

She was aware that breaking the rules would hurt him, make him suffer and jealose. The sex with Damian may be for the lesson that pleasure dosent mean love, but breaking the rules was fully for her own desire of gratification, her emotional vampire showing. She transformed a good meal into a damn Michelin star buffet of jealosy and despair, and as always consecuencies for her and others are to deal with later.

About MC being in the crowd, thats the emotional vampire again, not thinking of how MC would be on that situation, how hurtinf and awful would be for him, she just sees how jealous he would be and feeds on that ignoring the MC mental health or needs. It kind of proves my point, she is willing to hurt MC for her need of emotions and is aware of that. Jealosy date, the comments after MC dosent responds to her messages, all hurfull things for MC that she lays in the open and weaponizes, because she puts her emotional vampire needs over MC "sanity"

 

[Maviarab]

She was aware that breaking the rules would hurt him, make him suffer and jealose. The sex with Damian may be for the lesson that pleasure dosent mean love, but breaking the rules was fully for her own desire of gratification, her emotional vampire showing

To be fair, she also took a dump truck of Ket and was drunk....just in order to even go through with it. Even I'll give her some leeway here that she was completely and utterly out of it and was in no state to do anything. In reality, the prick should be in jail for rape (especially given he couldn't deny anything).

Were the intentions to show him something and possibly make him jealous? Yes.
Is that why exactly what happened, happened? No.

 

[rogersmith]

We have been analysing and criticising Lacey for some time now.

Don’t get me wrong, everything she did is appalling.
i just think that we are over-analysing or sometimes looking for malicious intent when there is none.
They were both young, damaged and desperate. And that can lead to dumb, impulsive and self-sabotaging decisions.

Meaning to say, that i can understand, why Lacey wanted and needed to try independence, but definitely don’t agree with how she abandoned Mc without notice or discussion, and downright disgusted with her decisions following that

It's not over analyzing, it's a direct opposite of that.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Game throws at us countless bad decisions Lacey seemingly makes with no reason at all. But if we accept one perfectly plausible scenario - early corruption, then ALL of it suddenly makes perfect sense. Then what would be the reason NOT to accept that? Denial?

Whats more, as i demonstrated in earlier posts, given avaliable info from act 1, accepting it would be a logical necessity to fit all the facts.

Independecy is a good point yes. But, as you said, in a "loving girl with a trauma" scenario it would be handled completely differently.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

To be fair, she also took a dump truck of Ket and was drunk....just in order to even go through with it. Even I'll give her some leeway here that she was completely and utterly out of it and was in no state to do anything. In reality, the prick should be in jail for rape (especially given he couldn't deny anything).

Were the intentions to show him something and possibly make him jealous? Yes.
Is that why exactly what happened, happened? No.

Taking the drugs, for me was her way of getting a free ticket out of the blame. If she was sober and break the rules she would have to take responsability and held acountable for her actions.

By taking the drugs everything get sweeped under the rug and poor Lacey gets a its okey, nobody blames you. You are not a bad person, you didnt make those choices, you didnet brake the rules on your own, it was the drug.

She took the drugs to dissociate, sure, out of addiction, also. But she also knew that in the case of a bad aftermath of her choices, being drugged would save her of responsability or at least reduce the amount of blame on her, and she proffited of that.

 

[Maviarab]

All fair points.

Taking the drugs, for me was her way of getting a free ticket out of the blame. If she was sober and break the rules she would have to take responsability and held acountable for her actions.

By taking the drugs everything get sweeped under the rug and poor Lacey gets a its okey, nobody blames you. You are not a bad person, you didnt make those choices, you didnet brake the rules on your own, it was the drug.

She took the drugs to dissociate, sure, out of addiction, also. But she also knew that in the case of a bad aftermath of her choices, being drugged would save her of responsability or at least reduce the amount of blame on her, and she proffited of that.

All fair points from that angle for sure.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Not really sure how to express it better, so i try to reduce it to the minimum.

Lacey put herself in the perfect position to get all she wanted. By taking the drugs, she got all, the supossed lesson to teach MC, inmediate pleasure from sex, an excuse to break the rules to get feed on emotions, and a get out of jail card for the aftermath of her actions.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Lacey is fully aware of what is right and what is wrong, she just dosent have self restraint and always chooses what feels good for her first. Drugs, all the sex in college, pleasing Mia, etc... All things that made her feel good now, consecuencies be damned later.

But there are consecuencies, she has become a horrible person by her own decisions, she is ashamed of that an tries to hide her bad choices, and when discovered tries to shift blame to the brain damage or other persons, to avoid responsability. Take everything relate to brain damage whith a grain of salt. It may not even exist at all or the brain damage is just her name for her own inability to selfrestrain.

Take the breaking the rules on the Damian thing as an example. She knew that it was bad did it because it felt good for her, to make MC suffer and become more jealouse. Consecuencies later, MC get destroyed emotionally, and of course she shift blame, oh i wasent myself, it was the drugs.

She may be trying to change now for good reasons, but she has hurt herself and MC so many times for her own decision, for hidding things out of shame, and for avoiding responsability. That dosent dissapear and gets forgiven in a moment.

That is one thing that really annoys me about the MC that he gets mad at people for good reason but after about a half hour feels guilty and that he is in the wrong then apologises when the majority of the time he shouldn't be

It's like he's got Stockholm syndrome or something

 

[Maviarab]

That is one thing that really annoys me about the MC that he gets mad at people for good reason but after about a half hour feels guilty and that he is in the wrong then apologises when the majority of the time he shouldn't be

It's like he's got Stockholm syndrome or something

He does finally understand this now though. He knows he does that. Then hates himself for doing it.

 

[DeviantFun]

Lol..who are you actually warning?

I doubt very much he will add animations if he not already.

Me probably.

Not really sure how to express it better, so i try to reduce it to the minimum.

Lacey put herself in the perfect position to get all she wanted. By taking the drugs, she got all, the supossed lesson to teach MC, inmediate pleasure from sex, an excuse to break the rules to get feed on emotions, and a get out of jail card for the aftermath of her actions.

You're falling into the trap, don't do it my friend.

Lacey lies a lot and does stupid shit all the time.
Yet you shouldn't always assign malice to stupid actions, like stupid x100000.

I am not saying she was good there, I am saying you are assigning too much to it.
The Damian thing was the Damian thing, as awful as it was, it had a purpose, a sick one at that.

Or do you think that now Lacey wants to relapse and live that life?
She literally begs MC not to share her, to keep her for himself, you have to spend good guy points to tell her that you see her only as a slut to be shared, she cries about it.
You can force her to even roleplay it, every single time she is hurt by it, she doesn't want to be that anymore, she wants to be at the center of MC world, protected by him.
(Actually there is one thing she wants to do again the 3 week drug binge with Isaac but with MC instead)

Why would Lacey admit to Dianne how bad the thing was? Why wasn't she deflecting that?
Dianne will help you understand more about Lacey than Lacey herself.

That is one thing that really annoys me about the MC that he gets mad at people for good reason but after about a half hour feels guilty and that he is in the wrong then apologises when the majority of the time he shouldn't be

It's like he's got Stockholm syndrome or something

He does have a form of issue like that, more tied to abandonement and being manipulated (unwillingly) by narcissistig behaviours for all his life since he was 6

Whether he will realize he needs help with that is still unknown.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

It's like he's got Stockholm syndrome or something

Definetively close enough.

you shouldn't always assign malice to stupid actions, like stupid x100000.

Maybe im overthinking, but i cant see the damian breaking the rules as a thing that just happened in the spur of the moment. I cant see it as a "for academic purposes only" that got out of hand. More so knowing that she feeds on emotions, especially bad emotions. While she may not have done it in a calculated way, she put herself in the perfect spot to get fed and get minimal blame.

Breaking the rules was something that fed both her vampire and her instant gratification. She choose to go along with it. She read the texts, she could have followed the rules and still get satisfaction. We know that she has control over her decisions. If it was malice or instinct to feed is debatable, but there was a choice to follow orders and she did things here own way as always.

She didnt want to hurt MC on purpose, but she knew that was acting against his desires, and chose to ignore them and do what she wanted. There is something more there than just acting stupid due the drugs.

 

[Maviarab]

Breaking the rules was something that fed both her vampire and her instant gratification. She choose to go along with it. She read the texts, she could have followed the rules and still get satisfaction. We know that she has control over her decisions. If it was malice or instinct to feed is debatable, but there was a choice to follow orders and she did things here own way as always.

Despite it not going anywhere (repurcussions) long term, she is actually called out for that, by Mia of all people. (can't believe I actually just wrote that...uuggghhh).

 

[JEER0X]

Lacey often dreamed about MC being in the crowd during her gangbangs btw, take that info and do what you want with it hahaha.

that just tells me she wants the MC to be a cuck

 

[Chaoticjustice]

He does finally understand this now though. He knows he does that. Then hates himself for doing it.

Honestly I can't wait for the change to fully happen , as it feels like all of the females are reverse mia'ing him by pushing him into stupid situations, letting Lacey do stupid shit , hiding stuff from him etc the list goes on

But while it's on my mind there two things I wanna bring up

Anna -her change in wardrobe I get that she's doing it to try and get the MC's attention but the more I think about it , it feels like she's gone to far into it and given how he feels about Lacey's past I would of expected more of a negative reaction from him / why would Anna do that after all she loves him and is his best friend "allegedly"

Lacey's goals - anyone else find it odd that any of the goals that involved the MC or Lacey being a better wife where at least 5 or 6 on the list

 

[Diosvincenccio]

that just tells me she wants the MC to be a cuck

He already is, past and present. For the future, she wants the MC to have the cuck feelings (jealousy) without her having to have the sex (sharing her).

At the same time she wants him to do other girls while she is jealous about it. As a compensation for all she did and to fix him, and to turn him into a not so extreme male version of her.

She is...complicated like that.