VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Diosvincenccio]

What dev states is that only act1 has unavoidable ntr. Not that it will never have ntr/nts again. Just that you will be able to avoid it. The slut route very obviously goes towards nts/sharing events.

Weather got a little better, enough to have the pc on. Thanks for the goodwill Maviarab and DeviantFun.

Now, im not sure if i should continue the list, its not going exatly the way i want. Im all over the place. Feels more like a commentay of the game or a rant than just "this was never talked about again". Im gonna give you the early access version in the spoiler and you guys decide. Its untill the 5 boxes conversation.

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[AL.d]

Weather got a little better, enough to have the pc on. Thanks for the goodwill Maviarab and DeviantFun.

Now, im not sure if i should continue the list, its not going exatly the way i want. Im all over the place. Feels more like a commentay of the game or a rant than just "this was never talked about again". Im gonna give you the early access version in the spoiler and you guys decide. Its untill the 5 boxes conversation.

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13 is a very good catch. I am 100% certain she was whoring herself to get the job but I didn't even remember she had a choice between two. Which is a brainfart because working for Veronica towards that goal, was her cover story while she was being a slut for the marketing fuckbois. That makes it even worse.

If one thing is obvious from all this, is that it's pointless to try getting an accurate picture of facts, in past or present, from what Lacey claims. Every single thing she says about something that MC was not present for, that isn't corroborated by someone else, should be discarded. And even that should probably still be discarded, if it's corroborated by Mia or Anna. They have repeatedly covered for her against MC.

 

[DeviantFun]

1. MC Cannon Name is Gristle Baumgardner. It seems he was never loved from the very begining of his existence.

No comment here, aside of this: is Gristle an actual name?

2. During childhood what the fuck were the adults doing, if a child can notice the abuse, how could the adults not. Suspension of belief for the sake of the story, i guess.

-The sexual abuse is varely mentioned, for Good reasons, but somewhat contradicts a little with the 5th lesson about Lacey, Lacey first time.
-What happened to Lacey parents after she was gone?. Did they got scotch free?

The adults, what they did or didn't do and where they are now is glossed over, we simply don't know.
Good catch about the "first time" one could argue semantics that feeling good emotionally is different from feeling good physically, but it is obviously bull.
This has to be explored.

3. When departing Lacey promises she will come back to him and love him as he deserves. Since we got the college revelation that she didnt give a fuck about him. Does she love him, need him, or came back out of an obligation to repay him?

This is somewhat well explained, her "plan" was to be able to fend for herself, if she did that, in her head she would probably overcome her trauma and be able to be with MC physically.
She always loved him and needed him, during college in the first two years she tried to take her life often, at this point she thinks that she will never be able to be with MC, starts using/abusing K.
She also feels an obligation towards him for all the years he spent caring for her and now for reallizing how much that took a toll from him.

The reason she didn't give a fuck was that in the black hole she fell into she lost all hope and influenced by the pimp she tried a radical solution, this lead to not solving the problem but looking for instant gratification and self punishment (on the self punishment there is a bit of doubt on my part, at least not 100%).
Gratification for her came from pleasing her pimp, experiencing new things and feeling that she could overcome her father abuse. (and obviously she was blitzed out of her head).

4. College Time. Oh Boy. We know so much and so little at the same time. Motivations of her behaviour are clear, mostly. But what exactly happened is still barely talked.
-How was she functional if it was so bad?.
-Where the money for the K came from?
-MC says hutfull things to Anna, it gets glossed over.
-Videos of her online, and the 2 with underage teens, never adressed.
-Lacey Memory issues and Brain Damage sudenly get out of the story in Act2.

Good points, none of them are fully explained, aside the one between Anna and MC, Anna is in love, he tells her something like "you're not Lacey I want only Lacey, I will never love you", but I have to find the part where it is written.
Maybe the brain damage gets better though therapy, doubtful since it is a short time.

5. Meeting again. She mentions how much she missed him, loves him and is sorry for hurting him...Sure. College times showed that perfectly.
-She lies about having 0 boyfriends. No matter the semantics or the logic that they werent official boyfriends. She lied, period.

This is the rant part, right?

6. Wedding. Manipulated and lied to the altar. Thats grounds for annulment.
-L. Make this body yours. / L. I want you to claim every part of me / Mark your territory. Ouch, knowing things from later, those lines hurts.
-Cries from happyness, regret about her past, both?

Happiness is there, she is finally whole, she was able to give what MC wanted, the phrases are Lacey style, she wants to be owned by him and his jealousy.
Even if they sound like a cuck reclaiming ritual.

7. While showering she mentions kids and going to therapy together for their past. Thats a Flag.

No comment

8. Mia asks Lacey for MC phone number. "I'll show him who loves Lacey the most." LOVES, never adressed if she wants more than friendship with Lacey. We know later what she wants about MC.

The pimp already discovered she is not a lesbian, the pimp only loves her idea of Lacey, which is extremely far from the thruth.

9. First Jeanette talk. She calls MC Naive, and vaguely told him Lacey lied. MC does the first avoidance. Later at park, realices he was lied. This gets included in the while Lacey's lies package.

No comment

10. Mia an MC met. MC appologices for an hippotethical offence. And tells how much he sacrificed for Lacey. Mia reverses his opinion and begins to fall in love with MC... REALLY???? I cant...
-She literally tells him she was there to hurt him.
-Again she mentions love for Lacey.
-Knows about MC suicide attempt, figures how piece of shit she is.
-Realices plan would hurt Lacey and MC, still goes with it. Even if he ask for the truth, was it necessary to give him the cruel storytelling version of events?.

She is a piece of shit, none of this makes sense, the explanation to the cruel messages is "I was play acting".
Failed character, needs a remake or a change of storyline, the author doesn't seem to realize this.

11. Tennis Dates. All about it got resolved and forgotten. Does she still goes with Anna? Are those two still playing?

Yes Lacey and Anna go to play tennis, alone, and still do in act 2

12. Barty at home. Resolved-ish for now. We know what happened with him, not how it will finish the whole story.

no comment

13. Veronica mentions that wants to recomend Lacey for a promotion in a few months. Why would she choose the other work. Oh yeah...thats why.
-A few words and she changes how she dresses. Talk about wanting validation...
-Anything it takes to get that other job. Sounds like she was about to whore herself. And she has no problem separating sex from love. Plus 120 hours of...talking with strippers, says Mia after the Damian thing...Think what you want.

In my rewrite the pimp gets absollutely scorched for that 120 hours comment, but my version off MC is not tied to being a whimp.
Lacey has shown again and again that she craves external validation, no need to speculate here, she would go to bars to flirt and get compliments leading other men on lless than 24 hours after cheating on MC.
The other work was extremely more remunerative, at this point MC makes 3x what she makes even before making director.
The position Jared offered was very well paid (and fake).

14. First red bra night, After talking about barty. Supposed after relapse? Selfpunishment for relapse and for not telling everything to MC?

I think one point here is important, we don't know what red bra night does.
"Resets her brain" or "disassociates her from her abuse (tied to sex?), why is then used when she's feeling down after MC promotion party? it would fit that she uses that to "forget" about the bad stuff when she's feeling guilty, but then why not have one after the tennis dates? cause she took K is the probable answer.

The problem here is that she took K the night before, I never had a K high that lasted more than 2/3 hours, but I guess it could be personal here and we don't know if she used in the morning too.
For sure you won't be disassociated after 6 or 7 hours.
Chalk it up to "imaginative writing" about K effects, it is fine.

That said, red bra needs to be expanded upon, it is vague.

15. Lessons about Lacey. MC theatens to get away when in the park. Mia sees it, sees the damage she is doing, still continues doing the lessons in the cruel way.

Garbage human, failed character.
I say failed because the author is showing down our throat (Lacey style) how nice, caring and helpful she is, yet fails to show any of these characteristics and makes her unlikeable by anyone with half a brain and personal integrity.

16. Lacey mentions moving to shipping & receiving to get laid. The gaslight shutdown of MC gets ignored from the girls. Only to say thats for girl talk.
-Mia admits to Lacey that she wants to see her crash and burn... How the hell are they still friends?

See above, but I can give you an explanation that the author tried to give in some texts with Kelly.
MC_nvl "She thinks that people aren't genuine enough"
MC_nvl "And that people aren't their true selves until everything gets turned upside down"
MC_nvl "She does it because she thinks people can't be happy if they aren't who they were meant to be"

Which paints her in an even worse light, her purpose is to break people and see if she can mold them in the idea she has of them in her mind.
I know the author probably doesn't read these comments but MAAAAAN what are you doing here?!

17. Jeannette becomes spirit guide, Jeannette infotms MC that he is being abused (Finally said). Jeannette ask MC to date her. Jeannette gets ignored. She should have come with a "told ya" moment for all the abuse thing.

Jeanette is a good person, sometimes I told you is not the right answer.
I always give it tho, makes ME feel good about being right

18. At the pool MC talks about seen Jeannette changing. Mia shows her amazing friendship skill by trying to put a wedge.

See above, but this is not an inconsistency

19. Lacey Lies about sneaking with revealing clothes. Yries to bribe wirh blowjob.

Exactly, weaponized sex is the way she controls MC.
Is also the only thing she thinks that she can give him, she has nothing else to offer, consistent.

20. After Lacey and Evan shower incident. Mia pushes for details, like size compared to MC. You know, normal conversation.
-Lacey excuses Evan and Jared but gets called for that. Resolved.
-After leaving the pizzeria, second relapse. Resolved.
-All the practical jokes...so funny haha.

Again, how can we like a character that cheers when her best friend get sexually assaulted?
Is this the same Mia that got raped? Like, what?
The garbage sense of humor is strong here, MC in act 2 says "oh it is funny if you think about it", it wasn't, he shoulld be pissed about gaslighting and not being able to be informed about his wife and being able to intervene.

21. Talk about MC dating other women and Lacey stalking him. Very healthy all of that.

we are moving away from inconsistencies here

22. Barty at home again. kind of resolved. Hes drunk and wanted to fuck Lacey. He already interrogated her.
-Mia comes with a explanation about Barty, but with Act 2 events, she kind of seems to know about the interrogation. But later acts surprised.

She knows that Barty came drunk and tried to get a BJ from Lacey, she doesn't know about the video recording.
I find it consistent.

23. MC about to get Christine reasigned because Lacey showed Jealosy. Talked at the moment and by MC once later. MC will to sacrifice is glossed over.
-asks to meet Jeannette to put her in the safe about MC category.
-Lots of "Love you" by Lacey and a "everything Will be better soon" with a "Please let this be worth it" (bad feeling about this, she is doing Lacey things and it will come back in the future acts)

MC is never validated, quit hoping for that, even in act 2, I can point the various moments where his feellings are invalidated even after the discussion with Dianne.
The let this be worth it is related to the lies towards MC about the job, she wants that enormous pay raise to get external validation from Jared , from the job and hopes from Mc since she will be able to buy him a house.

24. 3 weeks of overwork start. (Possible cheating)
- Hollowed eyes, not looking at MC, barely talking
- Dosent want MC to talk with Veronica about a night of rest, wants to be alone.

Lacey is consumed by guilt and stress.
No cheating happened, this we know, jared was looking for a pump and dump to then pass on to Evan.
The subsequent events all point out to him failing to fuck her, what is very possible is that the ass groping was abundant, but this is speculation based on the hot tub event.

25. Lesson 9 about Lacey. Mia shows first time remorse on doing it that way. Still continues.

GARBAGE CHARACTER, written without any emotional intelligence for some low effort shock value.
This is one of the points that ruins the character completely.

And to anyone that says: MC asks for it, would you run over a person you care about because he/she asks for it during some emotional distress?
Or maybe insult them in their own insecurities, knowing this would break them?

If the answer to that is yes, get therapy, again this is only half a joke.

26. Sunday with Jared in the Jacuzzi.
-asks to meet Christine to put her in the safe about MC category. Tells MC to have sex with her. Compensating?
-Jared says he had Lacey multiple times.
-Slutty bikini. Black dress. Asked to be thrown, still in game.
-Lacey swear been loyal.

As I said no sex happened, groping almost for sure but this is speculation.

27. Lacey follows around MC. 5 boxes,
-Abandonment. Talked but still not clear why. Requires more explanation.
-Barty. Lied by omision but Resolved with info from later.
-Cruelty. Resolved, she feeds on his emotions, especially bad ones, and jealosy is the prefered meal.
-Lacey the whore. What she did in the past is discussed and ammended several times during the game. His right to know about everything before marriage is ignored during the rest of the game so far.
-Jared. Apparently resolved, so far.
-Relapse mentioned but nor talked at the moment.
-MC manipulated and lied into staying with Lacey during important conversation.

5 boxes is an absolute garbage exposition moment that while needed is very unnatural, with long monologues and inconsistencies, especially about the past.
If I have time I will edit some in but that is YOUR JOB NOW





Well yeah, it is a mixup for sure, but thanks these are definitely interesting discussion points.

I added some answers that can hopefully clarify some of the points, no speculation, just facts.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Well yeah, it is a mixup for sure, but thanks these are definitely interesting discussion points.

I added some answers that can hopefully clarify some of the points, no speculation, just facts.

Yeah like i said, it ended been a lot different of what i had in mind. Like you said, more like discussion points than what is ignored, barely talked or known as a fact. I will finish Act 1 this style but stop there for a while.

And as far i know, and i checked online, Gristle is not a name. Not for a human at least. Whatever you call your pet its your bussiness.

 

[DeviantFun]

Yeah like i said, it ended been a lot different of what i had in mind. Like you said, more like discussion points than what is ignored, barely talked or known as a fact. I will finish Act 1 this style but stop there for a while.

And as far i know, and i checked online, Gristle is not a name. Not for a human at least. Whatever you call your pet its your bussiness.

Well MC is referred often as a lap dog so...it is appropriate.

I edited my comment to be more readable btw.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Else this talk about her college past again

kinda want the game to end like the end credits scene in the Hangover movie. A photo montage, but this time of all the college parties

 

[winterwolf200]

Another weird point in the Jared saga, if you ask me, is the private conversation between Lacey and Bella. You know...the call she took into the other room, from which she came back asking to film herself blowing the MC.
Obviously it was Lacey's idea, but why the need for privacy? Or did she know about Jared's cuckold fetish? Did he fuck her then share her? Made her wear a Bella wig?

 

[Fitharia]

And again...stop...please.

Being raped does not make you try to intentionally kill your best friend.
Mia is not a drug addict, so your experiences really aren't that important in this particular topic as to how she acts.
Mia has no interest in making amends, is that not obvious by now?
The Monster is trying to help the MC...

Seriously, are we actually reading the same VN and comprehending the same story?

How sure are we the monster is really helping the MC? I done so far the opposite he/she says and ended up in a closer bond with Lacey, feels to me if the mc would listened then it just plays in the hands off whoever plans to hook all 3 on K and turn them into sluts.

 

[DeviantFun]

Another weird point in the Jared saga, if you ask me, is the private conversation between Lacey and Bella. You know...the call she took into the other room, from which she came back asking to film herself blowing the MC.
Obviously it was Lacey's idea, but why the need for privacy? Or did she know about Jared's cuckold fetish? Did he fuck her then share her? Made her wear a Bella wig?

This was a narrative tactic where I can't blame the author.

It is explained how the privacy could help (and I agree) to tell and hear some pretty unsettling stuff, Lacey wanted to hurt Jared, why would she do something he would like?

So this part is fine for me, it also shows the manipulative powers of Lacey.

How sure are we the monster is really helping the MC? I done so far the opposite he/she says and ended up in a closer bond with Lacey, feels to me if the mc would listened then it just plays in the hands off whoever plans to hook all 3 on K and turn them into sluts.

I know K is portrayed a bit weirdly in the game.

But K would not make you become a slut, MDMA would have better chances, even psylo would have better chances just because it fucks your touch sense so much.
Disassociation and lowered motor skills do not make you crave sex, Lacey admits it too.

If they plan to use K, they are planning rape.

 

[Maviarab]

Weather got a little better, enough to have the pc on. Thanks for the goodwill Maviarab and DeviantFun.

Now, im not sure if i should continue the list, its not going exatly the way i want. Im all over the place. Feels more like a commentay of the game or a rant than just "this was never talked about again". Im gonna give you the early access version in the spoiler and you guys decide. Its untill the 5 boxes conversation.

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Excellent! Not sure how much we'll ever figure out, but excellent nontheless.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

I was thinking something similar after going through it again this week
What does the MC still not know about what went on in those 120 hours?

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I was thinking something similar after going through it again this week
What does the MC still not know about what went on in those 120 hours?

She makes comments that sound like he was about to sell herself for the job. And she separates sex from love. If she belived that MC wouldnt know maybe she could go with it.
Then you get the hollowed eyes and dont want to talk or look at MC, insinuating guilt.
And at one point she got called and one dude gets her phone and yells keep dancing or similar.
Mia defends Lacey after the Damian debacle. When she needs to protect Lacey or everything is over.

Everything could have happened as "innocent" as they said, some drinking, gropping and dancing, but the door for a deeper betrayal is left open.

 

[DeviantFun]

I was thinking something similar after going through it again this week
What does the MC still not know about what went on in those 120 hours?

We know nothing 100%.

We have second hand recounts from the pimp.

M "By the way, I know exactly what happened during those 120 hours."
M "I'll be happy to tell you."
M "They had parties at Jared's giant McMansion."
M "He would bring in drugs and strippers."
M "Your wife was bored out of her skull almost the entire time."
M "Do you know how she passed the time?"
M "Drinking and having heart to heart conversations with the strippers."
M "The only time she participated was on nights they went to the club."
M "She would dance. By herself."
M "Some of the guys would whistle or yell at her."
M "Why? Because she's fucking hot."
M "She paid NO attention to them."
M "Everything she did was to survive the mind numbing boredom she felt."
M "All in pursuit of a job that she thought would make you love her more."

This is what we and MC know, it is second hand and vague.
It should have been explored more.

At the last party Jared loses his patience and sexually assault Lacey.

L "Then last night he.... he grabbed my breasts when I went into the women's restroom."
L "I did not invite him in nor give him any sign that what he did was okay."
L "He was very forceful and I was scared."
L "He told me that he would tell you that he and I had sex if I didn't 'loosen up'."
L "He grabbed them and started rubbing them."
L "For just a moment I was so stunned that I couldn't move."
L "Then he started lowering one hand to..."
L "I turned around and slapped him as hard as I possibly could."

This could point against the groping, but the groping was happening in the closet and the bathub (maybe she is more sensitive about breast gropung than thigh and ass groping)

And I feel ashamed that I can find all these dialogues in a few seconds because I can recite them by memory.

 

[Darth Sidious]

Got bad weather over here, im gonna shutdown my pc. The list will come tomorrow maybe.

Everything will be much easier if you decide to place your PC indoors

 

[CrysusPariah2]

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Weather got a little better, enough to have the pc on. Thanks for the goodwill Maviarab and DeviantFun.

Now, im not sure if i should continue the list, its not going exatly the way i want. Im all over the place. Feels more like a commentay of the game or a rant than just "this was never talked about again". Im gonna give you the early access version in the spoiler and you guys decide. Its untill the 5 boxes conversation.

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You missed one:

Why is the MC so freakishly strong? military genetic experimentation? Hidden frequent steroid use? Eats all his spinach?

 

[CrysusPariah2]

We know nothing 100%.

We have second hand recounts from the pimp.

M "By the way, I know exactly what happened during those 120 hours."
M "I'll be happy to tell you."
M "They had parties at Jared's giant McMansion."
M "He would bring in drugs and strippers."
M "Your wife was bored out of her skull almost the entire time."
M "Do you know how she passed the time?"
M "Drinking and having heart to heart conversations with the strippers."
M "The only time she participated was on nights they went to the club."
M "She would dance. By herself."
M "Some of the guys would whistle or yell at her."
M "Why? Because she's fucking hot."
M "She paid NO attention to them."
M "Everything she did was to survive the mind numbing boredom she felt."
M "All in pursuit of a job that she thought would make you love her more."

This is what we and MC know, it is second hand and vague.
It should have been explored more.

And I feel ashamed that I can find all these dialogues in a few seconds because I can recite them by memory.

That’s what i was alluding to

 

[Fitharia]

I know K is portrayed a bit weirdly in the game.

But K would not make you become a slut, MDMA would have better chances, even psylo would have better chances just because it fucks your touch sense so much.
Disassociation and lowered motor skills do not make you crave sex, Lacey admits it too.

If they plan to use K, they are planning rape.

I'm not so well known with all the sorts of drugs as even though my surrounding I knew people taking all kinds i kept myself away from them. Had once a guy trying to put something in my drink, but i poured it out over his ugly mug.

But yea in my opinion too any guy who plan to drug a girl for sexual reasons is considered attempt to rape. So I do agree with you there.

I just love to find out still who is The monster and who is in the group planning that company called K girls.

 

[winterwolf200]

About Lacey's 1st time...I had always considered that the reason why the MC never questioned it after their wedding night, and only found something strange with her blowjob skills, was a subtle acknowledgement of the thoroughness of her father's sexual abuse. But then came Mia's events...

 

[Fitharia]

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You missed one:

Why is the MC so freakishly strong? military genetic experimentation? Hidden frequent steroid use? Eats all his spinach?

I'm not surprised on that one, I knew a guy why was so skinny you would think he's a push over but the guy could lift almost 3 times his weight. And he could easy beat down a ripped guy. So far i know he never took anything either. But he always surprised me how he could been so skinny yet so strong. So i'm not surprised with the MC being stronger then he looks.

 

[Fitharia]

About Lacey's 1st time...I had always considered that the reason why the MC never questioned it after their wedding night, and only found something strange with her blowjob skills, was a subtle acknowledgement of the thoroughness of her father's sexual abuse. But then came Mia's events...

That surprised me too, I mean if he considered her still being a virgin and he did his thing on their wedding night, first he should wonder how come she was so easy to enter... A girl's first time is always noticable, even if she tore her hymen with horse riding or anything else like toys. There it felt the mc was a bit oblivious, or he really never looked up porn or any other sexual interests.